Re: Kaiser vs. other programs.

[Guest guest]

Bobbie, having someone around to support you and your

cause is great but you have to be educated (not trying

to insult you here) about what it is you are dealing

with. This is a drastic change that is going to take

place post surgery whether you want it to or not. You

see someone can support you but when your tummy tells

you one thing but your head is telling you something

else and another person is telling you something else,

it becomes a battle and confusion set in. Don't rely

on anyone else except for yourself. You are your best

advocate here. I am not saying don't have a support

system. What I am saying is go to the classes, go to

support group meetings presurgery and also, have a

person that you can trust to support you on this

journey. You will either educate yourself and do the

program or you can let valuable informaton fall on

deaf ears. So, the classes are extremely important

and I would not even considering have such an

operation with attending classes/support group

meetings. And I mean go to some so you can talk with

people that have gone through the process. Justs

whatever you do, make the right choices for yourself.

Pam Marsh

--- manisodream wrote:

> Well, I know a lot of " programs " are NOT as

> comprehensive as Kaiser.

> I know of one woman who went through the VA

> hospital, and her total

> after care/education was: " OK, now just eat less

> food. "

>

> But there are good examples too: I've heard great

> things about Mills

> Peninsula Hospital in Burlingame.

>

> I thank my lucky stars that I have mama Kaiser.

>

> Francisco

>

>

>

> >

> > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was

> wondering if anyone

> else

> > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked

> that the woman was

> > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that

> she couldn't keep

> > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and

> the running

> theme

> > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No

> classes no

> lifestyle

> > changes. While the people who had the surgery

> were in need of help

> it

> > seemed that the after care was not there. The one

> man that was bed

> > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing

> that he could keep

> > down. Is there different criteria for different

> surgeries? Is

> Kaiser

> > the only health plan that is requiring that you go

> to classes?

> > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it

> is more helpful

> > that you have someone around to help with the life

> changes that you

> > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight

> off.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I think that all the doctors leaving Kaiser has benefit for the NON k people...they will benefit from the same program we have been blessed with. One of the docs is part of my clients and I chuckle when I see the preops questioning the hoops they have to get to instead of the okay i want the surgery give it to me so i can go home and be thin mentality....and I say to the Newbies ALL the time... it is not a year of waiting...it is a year of learning and learnin and learning some more....and no it really is not a year if you lose the 10% .....mine was only 3 months... beemanisodream wrote: Well, I know a lot of "programs" are NOT as comprehensive as Kaiser. I know of one woman who went through the VA hospital, and her total after care/education was: "OK, now just eat less food."But there are good examples too: I've heard great things about Mills Peninsula Hospital in Burlingame.I thank my lucky stars that I have mama Kaiser.Francisco>> I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if anyone else > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the woman was > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that she couldn't keep > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and

the running theme > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no lifestyle > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need of help it > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that was bed > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he could keep > down. Is there different criteria for different surgeries? Is Kaiser > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to classes?> it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it is more helpful > that you have someone around to help with the life changes that you > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off.> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Bee same here. From the day I did my referrals with

the psych and nutritionist to the day I layed on the

table, it was 3.5 months (end of October 2004 to Feb 8

2005). Its all about getting that 10% off.

Pam Marsh

--- BEEisMe wrote:

> I think that all the doctors leaving Kaiser has

> benefit for the NON k people...they will benefit

> from the same program we have been blessed with.

> One of the docs is part of my clients and I chuckle

> when I see the preops questioning the hoops they

> have to get to instead of the okay i want the

> surgery give it to me so i can go home and be thin

> mentality....and I say to the Newbies ALL the

> time... it is not a year of waiting...it is a year

> of learning and learnin and learning some

> more....and no it really is not a year if you lose

> the 10% .....mine was only 3 months...

>

> bee

>

> manisodream wrote:

> Well, I know a lot of " programs " are NOT

> as comprehensive as Kaiser.

> I know of one woman who went through the VA

> hospital, and her total

> after care/education was: " OK, now just eat less

> food. "

>

> But there are good examples too: I've heard great

> things about Mills

> Peninsula Hospital in Burlingame.

>

> I thank my lucky stars that I have mama Kaiser.

>

> Francisco

>

>

> >

> > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was

> wondering if anyone

> else

> > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that

> the woman was

> > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that

> she couldn't keep

> > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and

> the running

> theme

> > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No

> classes no

> lifestyle

> > changes. While the people who had the surgery were

> in need of help

> it

> > seemed that the after care was not there. The one

> man that was bed

> > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing

> that he could keep

> > down. Is there different criteria for different

> surgeries? Is

> Kaiser

> > the only health plan that is requiring that you go

> to classes?

> > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it

> is more helpful

> > that you have someone around to help with the life

> changes that you

> > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight

> off.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I absolutely agree that we are blessed to be in a program that

offers a wealth of information, training, and support. I know that

the " extended " time this program takes will allow me to learn what

is neccesary so that I do not gain the weight back or develop

complications. As much as I know this, I still cannot help but get

frustrated with the lenght of time. I guess for me it took a long

time to make the decision and get the initial referal from my pcp so

I feel like I have already been waiting years for this to happen.

In addition, I have been currently waiting for three months now just

to get an appointment for my psych eval. Supposedly, there is a

really long waiting list and lots of people try to get the surgery.

So now, according to the nutritionist I saw, this has become a two

year process instead of one. There are definetly days when the

waiting gets to me and I want to be able to move on with a healthier

life. I know, I know, I must be patient and remind myself that each

day is another opportunity to learn, grow, and improve healthy

behaviors and that even after the surgery this is a lifetime

process.

> > >

> > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was

> > wondering if anyone

> > else

> > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that

> > the woman was

> > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that

> > she couldn't keep

> > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and

> > the running

> > theme

> > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No

> > classes no

> > lifestyle

> > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were

> > in need of help

> > it

> > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one

> > man that was bed

> > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing

> > that he could keep

> > > down. Is there different criteria for different

> > surgeries? Is

> > Kaiser

> > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go

> > to classes?

> > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it

> > is more helpful

> > > that you have someone around to help with the life

> > changes that you

> > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight

> > off.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Ifyou get the 10%off fast will It happen fasterPamela A Marsh wrote: Bee same here. From the day I did my referrals withthe psych and nutritionist to the day I layed on thetable, it was 3.5 months (end of October 2004 to Feb 82005). Its all about getting that 10% off.Pam Marsh--- BEEisMe <zbzb24 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:> I think that all the doctors leaving Kaiser has> benefit for the NON k people...they will benefit> from the same program we have

been blessed with. > One of the docs is part of my clients and I chuckle> when I see the preops questioning the hoops they> have to get to instead of the okay i want the> surgery give it to me so i can go home and be thin> mentality....and I say to the Newbies ALL the> time... it is not a year of waiting...it is a year> of learning and learnin and learning some> more....and no it really is not a year if you lose> the 10% .....mine was only 3 months...> > bee> > manisodream <manisodream (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:> Well, I know a lot of "programs" are NOT> as comprehensive as Kaiser. > I know of one woman who went through the VA> hospital, and her total > after care/education was: "OK, now just eat less> food."> > But there are good examples too: I've heard great> things

about Mills > Peninsula Hospital in Burlingame.> > I thank my lucky stars that I have mama Kaiser.> > Francisco> > > >> > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was> wondering if anyone > else > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that> the woman was > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that> she couldn't keep > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and> the running > theme > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No> classes no > lifestyle > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were> in need of help > it > > seemed that the

after care was not there. The one> man that was bed > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing> that he could keep > > down. Is there different criteria for different> surgeries? Is > Kaiser > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go> to classes?> > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it> is more helpful > > that you have someone around to help with the life> changes that you > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight> off.> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

I am beginning to understand why the wait and the classes It is only for Our benifit even though the wait is long but Kaiser people are in better shap than others after ward Wanda wrote: Ifyou get the 10%off fast will It happen fasterPamela A Marsh wrote: Bee same here. From the day I did my referrals withthe psych and nutritionist to the day I layed on thetable, it was 3.5

months (end of October 2004 to Feb 82005). Its all about getting that 10% off.Pam Marsh--- BEEisMe <zbzb24 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:> I think that all the doctors leaving Kaiser has> benefit for the NON k people...they will benefit> from the same program we have been blessed with. > One of the docs is part of my clients and I chuckle> when I see the preops questioning the hoops they> have to get to instead of the okay i want the> surgery give it to me so i can go home and be thin> mentality....and I say to the Newbies ALL the> time... it is not a year of waiting...it is a year> of learning and learnin and learning some> more....and no it really is not a year if you lose> the 10% .....mine was only 3 months...> > bee> > manisodream <manisodream (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:> Well, I know a lot of "programs" are NOT> as comprehensive as Kaiser. > I know of one woman who went through the VA> hospital, and her total > after care/education was: "OK, now just eat less> food."> > But there are good examples too: I've heard great> things about Mills > Peninsula Hospital in Burlingame.> > I thank my lucky stars that I have mama Kaiser.> > Francisco> > > >> > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was> wondering if anyone > else > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that> the woman was >

> eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that> she couldn't keep > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and> the running > theme > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No> classes no > lifestyle > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were> in need of help > it > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one> man that was bed > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing> that he could keep > > down. Is there different criteria for different> surgeries? Is > Kaiser > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go> to classes?> > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it> is more helpful > > that you have someone around to help with the life> changes that you > > have to do in order to lose and keep the

weight> off.> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

BUT Do it healthfully so you will have success down the road post op....i did 100% the food plan in the binder ... I was totally ready to do it, no deviations for me at all.....others struggle....but again it prepares you for your new future.... bWanda wrote: Ifyou get the 10%off fast will It happen fasterPamela A Marsh wrote: Bee same here. From the day I did my referrals withthe psych and nutritionist to the day I layed on thetable, it was 3.5 months (end of October 2004 to Feb 82005). Its all about getting that 10% off.Pam Marsh--- BEEisMe <zbzb24 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:> I think that all the doctors leaving Kaiser has> benefit for the NON k people...they will benefit> from the same program we have been blessed with. > One of the docs is part of my clients and I chuckle> when I see the preops questioning the hoops they> have to get to instead of the okay i want the> surgery give it to me so i can go home and be thin> mentality....and I say to the Newbies ALL the> time... it is not a year of waiting...it is a year> of learning and learnin and learning some> more....and no it really is not a year if you lose> the 10% .....mine

was only 3 months...> > bee> > manisodream <manisodream (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:> Well, I know a lot of "programs" are NOT> as comprehensive as Kaiser. > I know of one woman who went through the VA> hospital, and her total > after care/education was: "OK, now just eat less> food."> > But there are good examples too: I've heard great> things about Mills > Peninsula Hospital in Burlingame.> > I thank my lucky stars that I have mama Kaiser.> > Francisco> > > >> > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was> wondering if anyone > else > > had the

same reaction as I did. I was shocked that> the woman was > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that> she couldn't keep > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and> the running > theme > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No> classes no > lifestyle > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were> in need of help > it > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one> man that was bed > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing> that he could keep > > down. Is there different criteria for different> surgeries? Is > Kaiser > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go> to classes?> > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it> is more helpful > > that you have someone around to help with the life> changes

that you > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight> off.> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

I did it 100% food plan in the binder, also worked for me. DonnaBEEisMe wrote: BUT Do it healthfully so you will have success down the road post op....i did 100% the food plan in the binder ... I was totally ready to do it, no deviations for me at all.....others struggle....but again it prepares you for your new future.... bWanda wrote: Ifyou get the 10%off fast will It happen fasterPamela A Marsh wrote: Bee same here. From the day I did my referrals withthe psych and nutritionist to the day I layed on thetable, it was 3.5 months (end of October 2004 to Feb 82005). Its all about getting that 10% off.Pam Marsh--- BEEisMe <zbzb24 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:> I think that all the doctors leaving Kaiser has> benefit for the NON k people...they will benefit> from the same program we have been blessed with. > One of the docs is part of my clients and I chuckle> when I see the preops questioning the hoops they> have to get to instead of the okay i want the> surgery give it to me so i can go home and be

thin> mentality....and I say to the Newbies ALL the> time... it is not a year of waiting...it is a year> of learning and learnin and learning some> more....and no it really is not a year if you lose> the 10% .....mine was only 3 months...> > bee> > manisodream <manisodream (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:> Well, I know a lot of "programs" are NOT> as comprehensive as Kaiser. > I know of one woman who went through the VA> hospital, and her total > after care/education was: "OK, now just eat less> food."> > But there are good examples too: I've heard great> things about Mills > Peninsula Hospital in Burlingame.> > I thank my lucky stars that I have mama Kaiser.> > Francisco> > > >> > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was> wondering if anyone > else > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that> the woman was > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that> she couldn't keep > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and> the running > theme > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No> classes no > lifestyle > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were> in need of help > it > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one> man that was bed > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing> that he could keep > > down. Is there different criteria for different>

surgeries? Is > Kaiser > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go> to classes?> > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it> is more helpful > > that you have someone around to help with the life> changes that you > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight> off.> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

I lost the 10% in 3 months, but due to my business waited 5 months and lost 42 pounds instead of just the 27 (10%) that I had too. Every pound makes it better for the surgery. DonnaBEEisMe wrote: I think that all the doctors leaving Kaiser has benefit for the NON k people...they will benefit from the same program we have been blessed with. One of the docs is part of my clients and I chuckle when I see the preops questioning the hoops they have to get to instead of the okay i want the surgery give it to me so i can go home and

be thin mentality....and I say to the Newbies ALL the time... it is not a year of waiting...it is a year of learning and learnin and learning some more....and no it really is not a year if you lose the 10% .....mine was only 3 months... beemanisodream wrote: Well, I know a lot of "programs" are NOT as comprehensive as Kaiser. I know of one woman who went through the VA hospital, and her total after care/education was: "OK, now just eat less food."But there are good examples too: I've heard great things about Mills Peninsula Hospital in Burlingame.I thank my lucky stars that I have mama Kaiser.Francisco>> I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if anyone else > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the woman was > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that she couldn't keep > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and the running theme > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no lifestyle > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need of help it > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that was bed > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he could keep > down. Is there different criteria for different surgeries? Is Kaiser > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to classes?> it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it is more helpful > that you have someone around to help with the

life changes that you > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off.> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Donna, what did you do to lose the 10% so quickly? damaris

> >

> > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if anyone

> else

> > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the woman was

> > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that she couldn't keep

> > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and the running

> theme

> > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no

> lifestyle

> > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need of help

> it

> > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that was bed

> > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he could keep

> > down. Is there different criteria for different surgeries? Is

> Kaiser

> > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to classes?

> > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it is more helpful

> > that you have someone around to help with the life changes that you

> > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off.

> >

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

yeah i am using the pain--knees and back as a way out of exercising

and telling myself i am doing the right thing by not exercising...i

have to change my way of thinking.....damaris

> > >

> > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if anyone

> > else

> > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the woman was

> > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that she couldn't keep

> > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and the running

> > theme

> > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no

> > lifestyle

> > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need of help

> > it

> > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that was bed

> > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he could keep

> > > down. Is there different criteria for different surgeries? Is

> > Kaiser

> > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to classes?

> > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it is more helpful

> > > that you have someone around to help with the life changes that

you

> > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Donna:

I did the same things you did. I followed the 1200 calorie meal plan

to the letter, and I exercised for one hour a day, 7 days a week. I

lost 35 lbs in two months (from Orientation to Surgery). My total

pre-surgery weight loss was 51 lbs.

I changed my mindset about exercise and eating. I viewed it as

medicine that I needed to " take " in order to get better. I

encouraged myself instead of beating myself up.

I was a man with a plan, and there was NOTHING or NOBODY that was

gonna get in my way to have this surgery.

I was focused on me, my needs and my goals for the first time in my

life. It was MY turn to take of MY needs first. I gave myself the

permission to take care of me. It was incredibly empowering and

necessary in order to get to goal.

Francisco

> > >

> > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if

anyone

> > else

> > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the woman

was

> > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that she couldn't

keep

> > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and the running

> > theme

> > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no

> > lifestyle

> > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need of

help

> > it

> > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that was

bed

> > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he could

keep

> > > down. Is there different criteria for different surgeries? Is

> > Kaiser

> > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to classes?

> > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it is more

helpful

> > > that you have someone around to help with the life changes

that you

> > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Wanda, I know that you want this thing and you want it

fast and like now. This is NOT a race. You want to

go into the surgery healthy so that mean no FAD diets.

Do the 1200 plan, exercise if you can. You know

exerice is more than running or aerobics (spelling).

You can dance, do some house work, etc. Don't compare

yourself to anyone else on here and how long it took.

Yes, when I went through the process, they told me the

sooner the 10% was off the sooner I could have

surgery. One other reason I got in gear was not only

to be healthy and stop taking all the meds, my husband

was leaving for the military so I wanted...I needed to

have it done so he could be here with me for at least

the first week. I have no family here and neither

does he. I am originally from North Carolina and he

is from Jamaica. I have two autistic boys that I

needed to be up and running for. That was my

motivating drive.

Take your time. Eat according to the plan and move

around if you are able to. It might sound like I am

fussing at you but I am not. I am just stressing that

this is not a race and not to look at others and how

fast they did it. You will get discouraged that way

because we all lose at different rates. Be encouraged

but know that your 10% will come off. You will have

some stalls in the losing process so expect it but you

will lose the 10%. Hang in there and love yourself.

We are all here for you.

Pam Marsh

--- BEEisMe wrote:

> BUT

> Do it healthfully so you will have success down

> the road post op....

> i did 100% the food plan in the binder ... I was

> totally ready to do it, no deviations for me at

> all.....others struggle....but again it prepares you

> for your new future....

>

> b

>

> Wanda wrote:

> Ifyou get the 10%off fast will It happen

> faster

>

> Pamela A Marsh wrote:

> Bee same here. From the day I did my referrals

> with

> the psych and nutritionist to the day I layed on the

> table, it was 3.5 months (end of October 2004 to Feb

> 8

> 2005). Its all about getting that 10% off.

>

> Pam Marsh

>

> --- BEEisMe wrote:

>

> > I think that all the doctors leaving Kaiser has

> > benefit for the NON k people...they will benefit

> > from the same program we have been blessed with.

> > One of the docs is part of my clients and I

> chuckle

> > when I see the preops questioning the hoops they

> > have to get to instead of the okay i want the

> > surgery give it to me so i can go home and be thin

> > mentality....and I say to the Newbies ALL the

> > time... it is not a year of waiting...it is a year

> > of learning and learnin and learning some

> > more....and no it really is not a year if you lose

> > the 10% .....mine was only 3 months...

> >

> > bee

> >

> > manisodream wrote:

> > Well, I know a lot of " programs " are NOT

> > as comprehensive as Kaiser.

> > I know of one woman who went through the VA

> > hospital, and her total

> > after care/education was: " OK, now just eat less

> > food. "

> >

> > But there are good examples too: I've heard great

> > things about Mills

> > Peninsula Hospital in Burlingame.

> >

> > I thank my lucky stars that I have mama Kaiser.

> >

> > Francisco

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was

> > wondering if anyone

> > else

> > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked

> that

> > the woman was

> > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that

> > she couldn't keep

> > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past

> and

> > the running

> > theme

> > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No

> > classes no

> > lifestyle

> > > changes. While the people who had the surgery

> were

> > in need of help

> > it

> > > seemed that the after care was not there. The

> one

> > man that was bed

> > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing

> > that he could keep

> > > down. Is there different criteria for different

> > surgeries? Is

> > Kaiser

> > > the only health plan that is requiring that you

> go

> > to classes?

> > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end

> it

> > is more helpful

> > > that you have someone around to help with the

> life

> > changes that you

> > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight

> > off.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I take the same except instead of the Flintson's they have me taking

two prenatal vits every day. Don't know why those but at least they

go down easy.

PEGGY

> > > >

> > > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if

> anyone

> > > else

> > > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the

woman

> was

> > > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that she

couldn't

> keep

> > > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and the

running

> > > theme

> > > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no

> > > lifestyle

> > > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need

of

> help

> > > it

> > > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that

was

> bed

> > > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he

could

> keep

> > > > down. Is there different criteria for different surgeries?

Is

> > > Kaiser

> > > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to

classes?

> > > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it is more

> helpful

> > > > that you have someone around to help with the life changes

> that you

> > > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

That would be great!! Thank You :-) I know it was a long time

comming and now you have your go ahead.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was

wondering

> if

> > > anyone

> > > > > else

> > > > > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that

the

> > woman

> > > was

> > > > > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that

she

> > couldn't

> > > keep

> > > > > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and

the

> > running

> > > > > theme

> > > > > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No

classes

> no

> > > > > lifestyle

> > > > > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were

in

> need

> > of

> > > help

> > > > > it

> > > > > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one

man

> that

> > was

> > > bed

> > > > > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that

he

> > could

> > > keep

> > > > > > down. Is there different criteria for different

> surgeries?

> > Is

> > > > > Kaiser

> > > > > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go

to

> > classes?

> > > > > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it

is

> more

> > > helpful

> > > > > > that you have someone around to help with the life

> changes

> > > that you

> > > > > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > __________________________________________________

> > > > >