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Hi nna,

Our daughter Emma had the ATTT done when she was 4 by Dr. Morcuende in Iowa.

The procedure is relatively minor but requires 6 weeks of post operative

toe-to-groin casts bent 90° at the knees. You can feel the anterior tibialis

tendon by pulling up with your foot and feeling around the top, inner part.

That tendon is shifted over to the top outer part of the foot. A small hole

is drilled in the third cuneiform (a bone situated just above where the 3rd

and 4th metatarsals begin) where the tendon will be transferred to. There is

no bleeding since they use tourniquets to stop blood flow to the area.

You're probably wondering about pain after the surgery--from what I've read

some children have it worse than others. Emma had a tough time because the

pain meds they gave during surgery never took and she woke up in pain. This

is apparently very rare and I haven't heard of anyone else going through it.

It seems that half the kids are able to leave the same day while others

spend the night. In general, the first 24hrs - 36hrs are the worst. Even

through the worst of it Emma still managed to eat well and have a few laughs

watching a movie.

Feel free to write with more questions or for clarification. My son keeps

climbing on me wanting to play so I may not be making as much sense as I

think I'm making.

Dan

Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

Hi, I am new to the site! My daughter Macie was born with bi-lateral

clubfoot and quite severe. Her left foot it more severe, however

both feet have deep creases. Long and short is that she is now 20

months old and her left foot is starting to relapse. We saw Dr.

Ponseti on Wednesday and he said that most likely Macie will need to

have a tendon transfer around 2 1/2 years of age. We weren't

prepared for this news as we are very strict with the brace and do

all we can to prevent relapse. We are now having her wear her brace

during naps as well in effort to stop or correct the new problem.

With your experience I am curious to know anything and everything

about the tendon transfer procedure and recovery. I have looked

online and not had much luck finding non-technical information or for

that matter any information on the tendon transfer. I read that you

have posted several times about this and I am still trying to learn

how to navigate this site so I apologize:-) Any information or links

that you can provide will much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

nna Cullen

>

> Hi!

>

> My son, Jake, was born with a left clubfoot. He relapsed around

the age of 2 yrs and has had tendon transfer surgery done twice, at

age 3 and age 4 1/2. I've posted about this many times on both the

nosurgery4clubfoot and clubfoot boards so if you look back thru my

posts you should be able to find a lot of information. Let me know

if you have trouble looking up old posts and I can forward you some

information, or just email me with any specific questions you might

have.

>

> Kassia :)

> 3/22/01 (Lt clubfoot, ATTT surgery #2 October 2005)

> and 11/22/02

>

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nna,

We are in almost the same situation. We have been and still are diligent in

putting on Christian's shoes every single night yet his doctor believes that

when we see him in March we will be scheduling his tendon transfer.

Christian will be 2 years old on the 30th of this month. I find myself

constantly trying to find more information about this procedure. I hope you

get all the answers your are looking for.

_____

From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of cullenx4

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:58 PM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

Hi, I am new to the site! My daughter Macie was born with bi-lateral

clubfoot and quite severe. Her left foot it more severe, however

both feet have deep creases. Long and short is that she is now 20

months old and her left foot is starting to relapse. We saw Dr.

Ponseti on Wednesday and he said that most likely Macie will need to

have a tendon transfer around 2 1/2 years of age. We weren't

prepared for this news as we are very strict with the brace and do

all we can to prevent relapse. We are now having her wear her brace

during naps as well in effort to stop or correct the new problem.

With your experience I am curious to know anything and everything

about the tendon transfer procedure and recovery. I have looked

online and not had much luck finding non-technical information or for

that matter any information on the tendon transfer. I read that you

have posted several times about this and I am still trying to learn

how to navigate this site so I apologize:-) Any information or links

that you can provide will much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

nna Cullen

>

> Hi!

>

> My son, Jake, was born with a left clubfoot. He relapsed around

the age of 2 yrs and has had tendon transfer surgery done twice, at

age 3 and age 4 1/2. I've posted about this many times on both the

nosurgery4clubfoot and clubfoot boards so if you look back thru my

posts you should be able to find a lot of information. Let me know

if you have trouble looking up old posts and I can forward you some

information, or just email me with any specific questions you might

have.

>

> Kassia :)

> 3/22/01 (Lt clubfoot, ATTT surgery #2 October 2005)

> and 11/22/02

>

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Hi ,

I have a Ponseti Certified doctor and I consulted with Dr. P himself who

agreed that 2 ½ is not too young for the tendon transfer if it is necessary.

Unfortunately, I was hoping for him to disagree with Dr. Herzenberg but I

guess in some cases it has to be done. I just thought it seemed really

young….

_____

From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of jennyandkelly

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:24 AM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

Welcome nna & Macie!

I am utterly shocked that the doctors in Des Moines wanted to do

surgery on your child. You would think that with the proximity of

Des Moines to Iowa City, that all the doctors there would be

following the Ponseti method! What a disappointment! I'm glad you

researched your options and were able to get your daughter to Iowa

City!

I'm sorry that you're dealing with a relapse. There are quite a few

families here with ATTT experience and hopefully they'll be a great

support and source of information for you.

Have you seen the Global HELP booklet? It has graphic photographs

of the procedure (it's a medical booklet intended for

professionals), so I'm not sure if this interests you or not.

As far as navigating the site, to search through the archives, you

have to type in a key word, then the Yahoo site will search through

a batch of the most recent messages for your word...if you hit next,

it will search through the group of next oldest messages.

Unfortunately, there's no way to search all the posts at once, so

you have to keep hitting " next " to sift through them. Not user-

friendly at all.

We look forward to having you and Macie on our group!

Best wishes,

& (3-16-00, left clubfoot)

http://ponseticlubfoot.freeservers.com/

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But how do they determine it is " necessary " at this young age when so many other

babies are responding so well to re-casting at this age?

s.

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Welcome nna & Macie!

I am utterly shocked that the doctors in Des Moines wanted to do

surgery on your child. You would think that with the proximity of

Des Moines to Iowa City, that all the doctors there would be

following the Ponseti method! What a disappointment! I'm glad you

researched your options and were able to get your daughter to Iowa

City!

I'm sorry that you're dealing with a relapse. There are quite a few

families here with ATTT experience and hopefully they'll be a great

support and source of information for you.

Have you seen the Global HELP booklet? It has graphic photographs

of the procedure (it's a medical booklet intended for

professionals), so I'm not sure if this interests you or not.

As far as navigating the site, to search through the archives, you

have to type in a key word, then the Yahoo site will search through

a batch of the most recent messages for your word...if you hit next,

it will search through the group of next oldest messages.

Unfortunately, there's no way to search all the posts at once, so

you have to keep hitting " next " to sift through them. Not user-

friendly at all.

We look forward to having you and Macie on our group!

Best wishes,

& (3-16-00, left clubfoot)

http://ponseticlubfoot.freeservers.com/

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Oh

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From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of jennyandkelly

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:35 AM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

,

I was talking about Macie's initial treatment, not the ATTT. Sorry

for the confusion. You have to read both of nna's posts to get

the whole story! :)

>

> Hi ,

>

>

>

> I have a Ponseti Certified doctor and I consulted with Dr. P

himself who

> agreed that 2 ½ is not too young for the tendon transfer if it is

necessary.

> Unfortunately, I was hoping for him to disagree with Dr.

Herzenberg but I

> guess in some cases it has to be done. I just thought it seemed

really

> young….

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: nosurgery4clubfoot

> [mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of

jennyandkelly

> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:24 AM

> To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> Subject: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

>

>

>

> Welcome nna & Macie!

> I am utterly shocked that the doctors in Des Moines wanted to do

> surgery on your child. You would think that with the proximity of

> Des Moines to Iowa City, that all the doctors there would be

> following the Ponseti method! What a disappointment! I'm glad

you

> researched your options and were able to get your daughter to Iowa

> City!

> I'm sorry that you're dealing with a relapse. There are quite a

few

> families here with ATTT experience and hopefully they'll be a

great

> support and source of information for you.

> Have you seen the Global HELP booklet? It has graphic photographs

> of the procedure (it's a medical booklet intended for

> professionals), so I'm not sure if this interests you or not.

> As far as navigating the site, to search through the archives, you

> have to type in a key word, then the Yahoo site will search

through

> a batch of the most recent messages for your word...if you hit

next,

> it will search through the group of next oldest messages.

> Unfortunately, there's no way to search all the posts at once, so

> you have to keep hitting " next " to sift through them. Not user-

> friendly at all.

> We look forward to having you and Macie on our group!

> Best wishes,

> & (3-16-00, left clubfoot)

> http://ponseticlubfoot.freeservers.com/

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Good question….

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From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of number23

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:06 PM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

But how do they determine it is " necessary " at this young age when so many

other babies are responding so well to re-casting at this age?

s.

Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

Welcome nna & Macie!

I am utterly shocked that the doctors in Des Moines wanted to do

surgery on your child. You would think that with the proximity of

Des Moines to Iowa City, that all the doctors there would be

following the Ponseti method! What a disappointment! I'm glad you

researched your options and were able to get your daughter to Iowa

City!

I'm sorry that you're dealing with a relapse. There are quite a few

families here with ATTT experience and hopefully they'll be a great

support and source of information for you.

Have you seen the Global HELP booklet? It has graphic photographs

of the procedure (it's a medical booklet intended for

professionals), so I'm not sure if this interests you or not.

As far as navigating the site, to search through the archives, you

have to type in a key word, then the Yahoo site will search through

a batch of the most recent messages for your word...if you hit next,

it will search through the group of next oldest messages.

Unfortunately, there's no way to search all the posts at once, so

you have to keep hitting " next " to sift through them. Not user-

friendly at all.

We look forward to having you and Macie on our group!

Best wishes,

& (3-16-00, left clubfoot)

http://ponseticlubfoot.freeservers.com/

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There are so many posts that it is difficult to keep track of one particular

string.

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From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of Gerace

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:02 PM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: RE: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

Oh

_____

From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of jennyandkelly

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:35 AM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

,

I was talking about Macie's initial treatment, not the ATTT. Sorry

for the confusion. You have to read both of nna's posts to get

the whole story! :)

>

> Hi ,

>

>

>

> I have a Ponseti Certified doctor and I consulted with Dr. P

himself who

> agreed that 2 ½ is not too young for the tendon transfer if it is

necessary.

> Unfortunately, I was hoping for him to disagree with Dr.

Herzenberg but I

> guess in some cases it has to be done. I just thought it seemed

really

> young….

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: nosurgery4clubfoot

> [mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of

jennyandkelly

> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:24 AM

> To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> Subject: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

>

>

>

> Welcome nna & Macie!

> I am utterly shocked that the doctors in Des Moines wanted to do

> surgery on your child. You would think that with the proximity of

> Des Moines to Iowa City, that all the doctors there would be

> following the Ponseti method! What a disappointment! I'm glad

you

> researched your options and were able to get your daughter to Iowa

> City!

> I'm sorry that you're dealing with a relapse. There are quite a

few

> families here with ATTT experience and hopefully they'll be a

great

> support and source of information for you.

> Have you seen the Global HELP booklet? It has graphic photographs

> of the procedure (it's a medical booklet intended for

> professionals), so I'm not sure if this interests you or not.

> As far as navigating the site, to search through the archives, you

> have to type in a key word, then the Yahoo site will search

through

> a batch of the most recent messages for your word...if you hit

next,

> it will search through the group of next oldest messages.

> Unfortunately, there's no way to search all the posts at once, so

> you have to keep hitting " next " to sift through them. Not user-

> friendly at all.

> We look forward to having you and Macie on our group!

> Best wishes,

> & (3-16-00, left clubfoot)

> http://ponseticlubfoot.freeservers.com/

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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will require the ATT surgery. I was shocked last month when my doctor

told me because is only 18 months old. But after looking through some

things I found my email from Dr. Ponseti. I had sent him pictures when

was nine months old and he noticed that supinated his right foot and

told me that with time this may correct itself. If it did not he would need

surgery after the age of two. Through my reading I found that the reason this

needs to be done after two is because they need to wait for a certain set of

bones to calcify (sp) for the surgery to be successful.

So my answer (this is to the best of my knowledge from the reading that I have

done) to the question why this surgery as opposed to recasting is because it is

actually not the clubfoot/bones that are the problem it is an issue with the

tendons.

Dawn

dbb 12 hours/day

Gerace wrote:

Good question….

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From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of number23

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:06 PM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

But how do they determine it is " necessary " at this young age when so many

other babies are responding so well to re-casting at this age?

s.

Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

Welcome nna & Macie!

I am utterly shocked that the doctors in Des Moines wanted to do

surgery on your child. You would think that with the proximity of

Des Moines to Iowa City, that all the doctors there would be

following the Ponseti method! What a disappointment! I'm glad you

researched your options and were able to get your daughter to Iowa

City!

I'm sorry that you're dealing with a relapse. There are quite a few

families here with ATTT experience and hopefully they'll be a great

support and source of information for you.

Have you seen the Global HELP booklet? It has graphic photographs

of the procedure (it's a medical booklet intended for

professionals), so I'm not sure if this interests you or not.

As far as navigating the site, to search through the archives, you

have to type in a key word, then the Yahoo site will search through

a batch of the most recent messages for your word...if you hit next,

it will search through the group of next oldest messages.

Unfortunately, there's no way to search all the posts at once, so

you have to keep hitting " next " to sift through them. Not user-

friendly at all.

We look forward to having you and Macie on our group!

Best wishes,

& (3-16-00, left clubfoot)

http://ponseticlubfoot.freeservers.com/

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That would make sense.

s.

Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

Welcome nna & Macie!

I am utterly shocked that the doctors in Des Moines wanted to do

surgery on your child. You would think that with the proximity of

Des Moines to Iowa City, that all the doctors there would be

following the Ponseti method! What a disappointment! I'm glad you

researched your options and were able to get your daughter to Iowa

City!

I'm sorry that you're dealing with a relapse. There are quite a few

families here with ATTT experience and hopefully they'll be a great

support and source of information for you.

Have you seen the Global HELP booklet? It has graphic photographs

of the procedure (it's a medical booklet intended for

professionals), so I'm not sure if this interests you or not.

As far as navigating the site, to search through the archives, you

have to type in a key word, then the Yahoo site will search through

a batch of the most recent messages for your word...if you hit next,

it will search through the group of next oldest messages.

Unfortunately, there's no way to search all the posts at once, so

you have to keep hitting " next " to sift through them. Not user-

friendly at all.

We look forward to having you and Macie on our group!

Best wishes,

& (3-16-00, left clubfoot)

http://ponseticlubfoot.freeservers.com/

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Hi Joyce :)

Jake had to have a second ATTT because the tendon pulled out a little bit. Dr

Dietz doesn't know exactly why that is; Jake did try to stand on his cast many

times (being weight-bearing will often pull the tendon out) but there are lots

of kids who walk and even run in their casts without a problem. In any case, Dr

Dietz suspected that the tendon pulled out because Jake had a lumpy area on the

top of his foot around where the tendon was inserted. The symptoms Jake had

which told us something was wrong, was that he couldn't lift his foot upwards

(the tendon wasn't working well enough), and he also walked on tip-toes. The

toe-walking got progressively worse to where he couldn't walk flat-footed. Jake

never appeared to be in any pain though.

Most children do not need the ATTT done again. Dr Dietz told us that he has had

to re-do the ATTT on only something like 6 kids in over 20 years of practice.

Yes, we had the same surgeon both times. Dr Dietz is at the University of Iowa

and works with Dr Ponseti. We asked about getting a second opinion, and Dr

Dietz said that any surgeon in his practice would say the same thing. We

considered briefly going elsewhere for another opinion, but there really isn't

anyone else in our area doing this surgery or with as much experience treating

clubfoot. We'd have had to go to Minneapolis or Milwaukee, where our insurance

likely wouldn't have covered any of the treatment.

Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions.

Kassia :)

3/22/01 (Lt clubfoot, ATTT #2 October 2005)

and 11/22/02

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When I sent the email with pictures to Dr.P. I sent bearing weight pictures,

front/side/top/back views. At the time I had asked the group which pictures to

send.

I would guess that because the tendons are not as strechable as muscles is the

reason for the surgery. Most of our children have the tenonomy done because the

tendon does not strech enough for the heel to seat properly in the shoes so my

theory is the ATT is done for similar reasoning.

His foot doesn't necessarily pull to the clubfoot position it almost looks

like he is standing a cigar and his foot curls with the shape of it.

I will send Dr. P more pictures as time goes on, closer to the surgery, but I

had actually noticed that rolls his foot to the outside while walking.

It has gotten better since he is becoming more mobile but it is significant

enough that others have noticed it with out my pointing it out.

Best~

Dawn

volng8r1 wrote:

Dr. Ponseti told us when he saw Lucas that he will definitely need

this done on the right foot, and most likely the left as well

between 2-3 years. He's only 1 now....I'm not sure how he can tell

right away that he'll need it down the road, but ours is a difficult

case also.

Jenn

> > Good question….

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > [mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of number23

> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:06 PM

> > To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > Subject: Re: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

> >

> >

> >

> > But how do they determine it is " necessary " at this young age

when

> so many

> > other babies are responding so well to re-casting at this age?

> > s.

> >

> > Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

> >

> >

> >

> > Welcome nna & Macie!

> > I am utterly shocked that the doctors in Des Moines wanted to

do

> > surgery on your child. You would think that with the

proximity of

> > Des Moines to Iowa City, that all the doctors there would be

> > following the Ponseti method! What a disappointment! I'm

glad you

> > researched your options and were able to get your daughter to

Iowa

> > City!

> > I'm sorry that you're dealing with a relapse. There are quite

a few

> > families here with ATTT experience and hopefully they'll be a

great

> > support and source of information for you.

> > Have you seen the Global HELP booklet? It has graphic

photographs

> > of the procedure (it's a medical booklet intended for

> > professionals), so I'm not sure if this interests you or

not.

> > As far as navigating the site, to search through the archives,

you

> > have to type in a key word, then the Yahoo site will search

through

> > a batch of the most recent messages for your word...if you hit

next,

> > it will search through the group of next oldest messages.

> > Unfortunately, there's no way to search all the posts at once,

so

> > you have to keep hitting " next " to sift through them. Not

user-

> > friendly at all.

> > We look forward to having you and Macie on our group!

> > Best wishes,

> > & (3-16-00, left clubfoot)

> > http://ponseticlubfoot.freeservers.com/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dawn-Marie,

How have you been? I want to discuss with you the tendon transfer thing via

private email but I can’t find it! Can you email me at cgerace@...

so we can talk? Christian has the same surgery coming up.

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From: nosurgery4clubfoot

[mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of Dawn-Marie

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:48 AM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

When I sent the email with pictures to Dr.P. I sent bearing weight

pictures, front/side/top/back views. At the time I had asked the group

which pictures to send.

I would guess that because the tendons are not as strechable as muscles is

the reason for the surgery. Most of our children have the tenonomy done

because the tendon does not strech enough for the heel to seat properly in

the shoes so my theory is the ATT is done for similar reasoning.

His foot doesn't necessarily pull to the clubfoot position it almost looks

like he is standing a cigar and his foot curls with the shape of it.

I will send Dr. P more pictures as time goes on, closer to the surgery,

but I had actually noticed that rolls his foot to the outside while

walking. It has gotten better since he is becoming more mobile but it is

significant enough that others have noticed it with out my pointing it out.

Best~

Dawn

volng8r1 wrote:

Dr. Ponseti told us when he saw Lucas that he will definitely need

this done on the right foot, and most likely the left as well

between 2-3 years. He's only 1 now....I'm not sure how he can tell

right away that he'll need it down the road, but ours is a difficult

case also.

Jenn

> > Good question….

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > [mailto:nosurgery4clubfoot ] On Behalf Of number23

> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:06 PM

> > To: nosurgery4clubfoot

> > Subject: Re: Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

> >

> >

> >

> > But how do they determine it is " necessary " at this young age

when

> so many

> > other babies are responding so well to re-casting at this age?

> > s.

> >

> > Re: Tendon Transfer at Age 3

> >

> >

> >

> > Welcome nna & Macie!

> > I am utterly shocked that the doctors in Des Moines wanted to

do

> > surgery on your child. You would think that with the

proximity of

> > Des Moines to Iowa City, that all the doctors there would be

> > following the Ponseti method! What a disappointment! I'm

glad you

> > researched your options and were able to get your daughter to

Iowa

> > City!

> > I'm sorry that you're dealing with a relapse. There are quite

a few

> > families here with ATTT experience and hopefully they'll be a

great

> > support and source of information for you.

> > Have you seen the Global HELP booklet? It has graphic

photographs

> > of the procedure (it's a medical booklet intended for

> > professionals), so I'm not sure if this interests you or

not.

> > As far as navigating the site, to search through the archives,

you

> > have to type in a key word, then the Yahoo site will search

through

> > a batch of the most recent messages for your word...if you hit

next,

> > it will search through the group of next oldest messages.

> > Unfortunately, there's no way to search all the posts at once,

so

> > you have to keep hitting " next " to sift through them. Not

user-

> > friendly at all.

> > We look forward to having you and Macie on our group!

> > Best wishes,

> > & (3-16-00, left clubfoot)

> > http://ponseticlubfoot.freeservers.com/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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