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In a message dated 5/15/2003 4:16:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

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> My personal best has been to make a very fast PBJ on white bread. Junk, but

> works better than candy or glucose tabs or anything else I've tried.

> Corrects, but does not overcorrect.

>

> Feedback again?

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I am beginning to believe that it is a matter of not going too long without

eating. When the feeling starts, plain protein will do. A piece of cheese a

protein bar, whatever is on hand.

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Can we talk about this again? I know I ask this periodically, but I'm all the

time dragging people here from other sites specifically to hear/see this

discussed.

My quickie definition of it is that you have eaten sensible, are well hydrated,

staying away from sugars, minding your own business and suddenly (or upon

exertion), your knees buckle, start to sweat & lose concentration and in a

minute are all but unconscious.

My personal best has been to make a very fast PBJ on white bread. Junk, but

works better than candy or glucose tabs or anything else I've tried. Corrects,

but does not overcorrect.

Feedback again?

Thanks,

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Well sure , we can talk about this again :)

I am/was Type II Diabetic and over the years before I became full blown

diabetic I had lots of those episodes and did not know what they were. I

finally got a five hout GTT (glucose tolerance test) and did not know what

they were doing to me. I drank some cola and went about my business trying

to fill out some forms (this was in the Navy, at a Navy hospital), and some

time later as they were drawing blood periodically I became sweaty, could

not focus, irritable, shaky,,,,,hungry. Was told then then I was pre

diabetic and given very good advice to follow about a low carb high protein

diet. Bear in mind this was at Bethesda Naval Hospital in 1973 (Gad I hate

to date myself) and just about the time that Atkins first hit the street as

I remember.

Yanno? I did that thing for about four-five years (the diet) kinda sorta,

and lost a ton O weight, had no more episodes and felt great! Then I slid

back into old ways. The low fat mania took over the media and low carb was

classed as fadish. It fell out of style and the great fat epidemic began to

grow and grow. I could never quite get the low fat thing and never did well

with it.

Time goes by and I eventually wind up on the surgeons table as a full blown

Diabetic. Matter of fact that was probably one of the essential reasons

that propelled me to the surgeon. I had the diagnosis a year before and was

tossed a low fat diet manual and told to go heal myself. I tried. Lasted

for three months and lost weight and then regained it all. I knew it was a

battle that I was destined to lose and the first thing that I had ever been

diagnosed with that was not gonna go away and would bring with it all manner

of catastrophic consequences. I had watched my brother go through

amputations and heart attacks to die miserably of a stroke at the ripe old

age of 68. The heart attacks started in his mid 50's. Never occurred to me

that what I had been told those many years before at Bethesda was part of a

great family tradition, not even after my closest brother in age dropped

dead at 50 from major MI. Denial is a great protector from reality.

Anyway, even after I was post and not doing any sugar, exercising, eating

fresh air and an occasional butterfly wing (skinned) one day, I began to get

shaky,,,,,sweat,,,,,and carry on like I used to! It was bad, really bad and

getting worse by the sec. I grabbed a swig of OJ and that turned it around.

Discussed it with my surgeon's nutritionist and she said that sometimes not

eating enough or regularly would have that effect and her explanation (far

more complex than that) seemed to make sense to me at the time. Confusingly

it also happens if I have not eaten regularly and then do a starch or

carb,,,,,,,kicks the insulin right into high gear and sucks all the glucose

right outta my system. I tend to buy what I read in Atkins about the body

expecting another great onslaught of carbs or foods easily convertible into

glucose and gears up the insulin output. Somewhere along the way in abusing

my body in ever increasing cycles of carb intake and eating and eating way

beyond hunger it makes sense to me that the insulin cycles are pumping up

and down and when the body begins to lose efficiency at using the sugar

floating around in the blood it stacks up. When it stacks up the pancrease

has to produce more insulin to take it down to normal levels,,,,,,hence

Diabetes Type II.

Point is that it was a light bulb moment after surgery to realize that I did

not have a claim on hypoglcemic events as a Type II. It can and does happen

even when my diabetes is under control as it has been for lo these three

years now. One or two abnormal blood glucose readings in three years but

those were directly tracked to something someone else put into my

body,,,,,not me. (surgery for example) My experiences in the honeymoon

phase (which I think you still enjoy after upteen years) taught me that.

The hunger cycles and need to eat beyond physical hunger I think are

connected to the insulin issues with me. My nutritionist also advised me

not to do OJ, or a sugar when it happens but to do protein and the rise in

sugar is more gradual in the blood maybe avoiding another output of insulin

to kick it down low again.

It is rare for me now as I try and moderate the carb/sugar/starch thing.

But when I was in ketosis mode during the early part of my post op life it

was more common and very easy for me to kick right off into one of those

lovely experiences. So there is a connection, for me, in not eating enough

as well as eating wrong. I also think a lot depends on what is put into the

body (no matter how minute) based on timing,,,,i.e., after a long period of

time between takin in nutriton.

Now all of this is anecdotal, and certainly not peer reviewed LOL! It is

just my .03 on what my track has been. Come to think of it, I might be a

case for a peer reviewed study on sanity alone! LOL

Dan Slone

Surgery 5/2/2000

reactive hypoglycemia

Can we talk about this again? I know I ask this periodically, but I'm all

the time dragging people here from other sites specifically to hear/see this

discussed.

My quickie definition of it is that you have eaten sensible, are well

hydrated, staying away from sugars, minding your own business and suddenly

(or upon exertion), your knees buckle, start to sweat & lose concentration

and in a minute are all but unconscious.

My personal best has been to make a very fast PBJ on white bread. Junk, but

works better than candy or glucose tabs or anything else I've tried.

Corrects, but does not overcorrect.

Feedback again?

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

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Yep, I usually do peanut butter and crackers or cheese and crackers -

need the carbs for fast energy and protein for long term energy.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Thu, 15 May 2003 01:14:56 -0700 " Vitalady "

writes:

> Can we talk about this again? I know I ask this periodically, but

> I'm all the time dragging people here from other sites specifically

> to hear/see this discussed.

>

> My quickie definition of it is that you have eaten sensible, are

> well hydrated, staying away from sugars, minding your own business

> and suddenly (or upon exertion), your knees buckle, start to sweat &

> lose concentration and in a minute are all but unconscious.

>

> My personal best has been to make a very fast PBJ on white bread.

> Junk, but works better than candy or glucose tabs or anything else

> I've tried. Corrects, but does not overcorrect.

>

> Feedback again?

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

> If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

>

>

>

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Okay...feedback again. I was dx'd with reactive hypoglycemia. I had

hypoglycemia for many years prior to WLS. Right before WLS, my PCP decided I

was diabetic due to the high spikes of my BS. In the 250's, then would drop

to below 50 in a very short time. It returned at about 2.5 yrs post op. As

most of you know, I'm religious about my supplements, and protein. Yet, out

of the blue, I was having these lousy symptoms again. I visited an

endocrinologist who gave me glucose tabs when I first went in due to my low

blood sugar reading...and I wasn't even having symptoms! She said I needed

to carry them with me...esp. when I drive. I have found that peanut butter

crackers work better and last longer, because they have the carbs to bring it

up rapidly, and the protein to sustain it for awhile. Peanut butter on bread

would be good too, but I don't do bread well....gives me the feeling of a

brick in my pouch. So, I try and carry the peanut butter crackers with me.

There have been studies done that say that peanut butter is very good for

blood sugar....I have no more info than this, and do not know who made the

study, or who funded it. I believe there was a blurb in the newspaper about

the time I was going through this. Seems now, things have settled down

again...I'm sure it's not gone, just sort of in some type of remission. I'll

take that...remission is good!

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3

> Can we talk about this again? I know I ask this periodically, but I'm all

> the time dragging people here from other sites specifically to hear/see

> this discussed.

>

> My quickie definition of it is that you have eaten sensible, are well

> hydrated, staying away from sugars, minding your own business and suddenly

> (or upon exertion), your knees buckle, start to sweat & lose concentration

> and in a minute are all but unconscious.

>

> My personal best has been to make a very fast PBJ on white bread. Junk, but

> works better than candy or glucose tabs or anything else I've tried.

> Corrects, but does not overcorrect.

>

> Feedback again?

>

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This wasn't the case with me. I was doing my protein shakes every 2 hours,

and being a perfect angel when this nastiness hit me like a ton of bricks.

So, it isn't necessarily WHAT you do....although, I feel that doing the best

you can is imperative. Prolly why I haven't had more of a problem than I did.

I still swear by peanut butter crackers. I notice does the same

thing...so there must be something to it....the balance between carbs and PB.

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3

> I am beginning to believe that it is a matter of not going too long without

> eating. When the feeling starts, plain protein will do. A piece of cheese

> a

> protein bar, whatever is on hand.

> Fay

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Ummm, I think you are leaving yourself WIDE open here! HEH HEH!!!

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3

> .

Come to think of it, I might be a

>

> case for a peer reviewed study on sanity alone! LOL

>

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