Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Tova Did you have double jaw surgery? HANG IN THERE.. I am about have to do the same thing..... Sadie Bob wrote: rakushka, It's a professional courtesy. Sometimes I get lucky. Bob > > > Is it just me? I have 1 week to go till I become unwired. I've been > > > tied shut a a little over 4 weeks and I have become a bitter, angry > > > person. I am in a constant bad mood and all someone has to do is > > look > > > at me funny for my blood to start boiling. I know it's because I'm > > > constantly hungry... even when I grind up food and eat it- lots of > > it- > > > I'm still hungry. Plus, every time I do eat something, I > > automatically > > > get a stomach ache, so I don't eat. This morning I weighed 90 lbs. > > > which really is too little- I feel weak and mean and yet I still > > can't > > > bring myself to eat. And I am in the WORST mood. ALWAYS. It really > > > sucks. Any time anyone says anything to me... no matter what it > > is... > > > it pisses me off. ARGHHH! > > > > > > Just venting. > > > > > > Tova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I had a look on your web site, I love them - very original. Have you exported any of them to Australia yet?? Lorraine Tova Friedman wrote: Not to change the subject, but if you do stop at Mandalay Bay for the buffet, be sure to swing by the the gift store... they carry my bags.. hehe... -Tova > Hi Bob, > > Thanks for the email, I guess we do have similar situations. You're > going to > have surgery to fix a mess that shouldn't have happened. I always > thought > dentistry and orthodontics were pretty predicable. I put way to much > trust > into letting the dentist/ortho decide stuff about my mouth, when I > should > have listened to myself. Sometimes your teeth are where they are > because > nature put them there, and they manage to serve you well. I'm > starting to > wonder if humans were all meant to have the same cookie cutter game > show > host smiles. I mean no disrepect for those who really benefit from > surgery > and it's life altering effects. Thank goodness for the technology. > But for > those of us who got to this point by trying to fix something that > wasn't > broken, it's hard to accept. I hope your surgery goes well and you > have a > speedy recovery. Keep focusing on having a fun trip in Las Vegas in > Sept. I > know a great buffet at the Mandelay (sp?) Bay, you can celebrate by > eating > anything you want. Take care, let me know how the surgery goes. > > Sherri > > Re: new, surgery April 6 > > > > > > > > - > > > > Hi Sherri > > Your story sounds a little bit similar to mine , believe me i know > > your feelings of frustration and anger at having to go through all > > this because of professional bad advise...It,s not right..... > > I was 46 when my ordeal all began 2 years and 3 months ago , My > > teeth and bite worked well , I had no problems other than the were > > starting to move and become a bit crooked ...Thats when my Dentist > > suggested that he could fix them....As it turned out I had a class 3 > > maloclusion(whatever that was) and HE Decided that rather than go > > through the Surgery/Braces route( which had that been explained as > > the only option ...just would'nt have happened as I did not consider > > my teeth that bad for such extreme measures)...His treatment plan > > would be to Crown 12 front teeth and create an " end to end " bite to > > compensate for the maloclusion ,suggesting that it would turn out as > > good and perhaps even better than braces/surgery as well as saving > > me,having them rearrange my face ....This is how my nightmare > > begins...Long story short, I now have nice straight teeth that crash > > down onto each other as the angle was changed for them to meet " end > > to end " ....this has thrown my mouth into disfuctional turmoil , I > > could never have imagined that teeth on teeth could have caused this > > much chao's.....He finally sent me to a specialist who was horrified > > that he had attempted this...for the past 8 months life has been > > bearable as long as I wear my splint 24/7 .... Some 40 appts. later > I > > am now sitting here writing this waiting for the hosptital to > > call ,to give my time to show up for surgery TOMMORROW(holy crap), > > anyway they the have to move my bottom jaw back 5 ml to stop my > front > > top teeth from crashing into my bottom front teeth ,by doing this it > > throws all my back teeth out of line so after I've mended from > > surgery I will need them all recrowned ...Apparently I get a Bonus > > chin job out of the deal, as they move my jaw back the chin goes > with > > it and they don't want that....I hope it does'nt change the way I > > look to much as I have an Identical Twin ,...although he told me to > > ask the surgeon to save the " blueprint " just incase he likes the way > > it turns out ,LOL.... > > We have just booked 10 days in vegas for the end of Sept. to > > celebrate the end of this mess...so I,m hopin it's all over by > > then!!....Whew , I think I just vented ....Sorry.... > > > > 4 weeks till it's your turn > > Good luck & take care > > Bob > > > > > > -- In orthognathicsurgerysupport , " sahaab_2000 " > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I want to introduce myself and let all of you know how glad I am > >> that this group exists. I am having lower advancement on April > >> 6th. I have a few questions for the group, but first a bit about > >> me, forgive the lengthy post: > >> > >> I am 40 and have had braces on for 2 years. I'm having a hard time > >> getting psychologically prepared for a surgery I never intended to > >> have. My whole life I knew I had a slight overbite, apparently it > >> doesn't show much in my profile, no one can tell. I was always > > told > >> that I wasn't bad enough to need braces as a kid. A few years ago > >> my dentist said I should have had braces, as my back teeth show > >> signs of wear. I decided to get braces and was given 3 options: > >> 1.surgery would fix me 100% 2. braces without surgery would make me > >> 80% better off, mostly cosmetic or 3. do nothing Well, I started > >> out feeling 100% great, so chose option 2. 80% better has got to be > >> fantastic. 1 year later, all my teeth went off-line as they > >> straightened. Now,I have only one tooth that touches in the back. > >> The ortho said I was one of those picky people, and that some > > people > >> in life can live with a rock in their shoe and not be bothered. (I > >> switched orthos, to make a long story short, after all who on earth > >> would pay $3500 for a rock in their shoe) I know now that I should > >> have only opted for braces/surgery-I was under diagnosed. If I > >> could go back in time and do nothing, I would. So after 2nd > >> opinions and carefully selecting an ortho and surgeon, they all > >> agree that the only way out of this mess is surgery. I've learned > >> by this that if you feel your dr isn't listening or paying > > attention > >> along the way, listen to your gut, get the heck out of there and > >> find someone you feel good about. > >> > >> My questions for you: > >> > >> I work at home, writing craft books, are most of you back at work > >> after 2 weeks? > >> > >> My sister is coming out to help me, when do you need the most help > >> after sugery? My husband and kids can help, but they are busy with > >> work and school. > >> > >> Last of all, did any of you have anxiety about whether the surgery > >> really would put your teeth back in line? I do not have much faith > >> in getting my bite back, I'm scared. Are most of you able to feel > >> an improvement after surgery. I read about Dan, I'm curious to ask > >> Dan if you read this, aside from assemetry, how is your bite now? I > >> started out caring about pretty teeth, now I just want to chew gum > >> or bite a sandwich. > >> > >> Thanks for listening, I look forward to your friendship as surgery > >> approaches. Sherri > >> www.sherrihaab.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Have you tried or Myer? They are big expensive stores in each city of Aus that have designer labels. I can get you their number or email address if you like. Loz Tova Friedman wrote: not Australia... only the US, South Africa, Singapore, Japan and Canada... I'd certainly love to add Australia to the list!... you wanna recommend a shop? If you don't know any, I also sell directly through email so if individually you'd like something, let me know! You'd be the only one in your whole country with a Teeze Bag! Best, Tova > > I had a look on your web site, I love them - very original. Have you > exported any of them to Australia yet?? > > Lorraine > > Tova Friedman wrote: > > Not to change the subject, but if you do stop at Mandalay Bay for the > buffet, be sure to swing by the the gift store... they carry my bags.. > hehe... > > -Tova > > >> Hi Bob, >> >> Thanks for the email, I guess we do have similar situations. You're >> going to >> have surgery to fix a mess that shouldn't have happened. I always >> thought >> dentistry and orthodontics were pretty predicable. I put way to much >> trust >> into letting the dentist/ortho decide stuff about my mouth, when I >> should >> have listened to myself. Sometimes your teeth are where they are >> because >> nature put them there, and they manage to serve you well. I'm >> starting to >> wonder if humans were all meant to have the same cookie cutter game >> show >> host smiles. I mean no disrepect for those who really benefit from >> surgery >> and it's life altering effects. Thank goodness for the technology. >> But for >> those of us who got to this point by trying to fix something that >> wasn't >> broken, it's hard to accept. I hope your surgery goes well and you >> have a >> speedy recovery. Keep focusing on having a fun trip in Las Vegas in >> Sept. I >> know a great buffet at the Mandelay (sp?) Bay, you can celebrate by >> eating >> anything you want. Take care, let me know how the surgery goes. >> >> Sherri >> >> Re: new, surgery April 6 >> >> >>> >>> >>> - >>> >>> Hi Sherri >>> Your story sounds a little bit similar to mine , believe me i know >>> your feelings of frustration and anger at having to go through all >>> this because of professional bad advise...It,s not right..... >>> I was 46 when my ordeal all began 2 years and 3 months ago , My >>> teeth and bite worked well , I had no problems other than the were >>> starting to move and become a bit crooked ...Thats when my Dentist >>> suggested that he could fix them....As it turned out I had a class 3 >>> maloclusion(whatever that was) and HE Decided that rather than go >>> through the Surgery/Braces route( which had that been explained as >>> the only option ...just would'nt have happened as I did not consider >>> my teeth that bad for such extreme measures)...His treatment plan >>> would be to Crown 12 front teeth and create an " end to end " bite to >>> compensate for the maloclusion ,suggesting that it would turn out as >>> good and perhaps even better than braces/surgery as well as saving >>> me,having them rearrange my face ....This is how my nightmare >>> begins...Long story short, I now have nice straight teeth that crash >>> down onto each other as the angle was changed for them to meet " end >>> to end " ....this has thrown my mouth into disfuctional turmoil , I >>> could never have imagined that teeth on teeth could have caused this >>> much chao's.....He finally sent me to a specialist who was horrified >>> that he had attempted this...for the past 8 months life has been >>> bearable as long as I wear my splint 24/7 .... Some 40 appts. later >> I >>> am now sitting here writing this waiting for the hosptital to >>> call ,to give my time to show up for surgery TOMMORROW(holy crap), >>> anyway they the have to move my bottom jaw back 5 ml to stop my >> front >>> top teeth from crashing into my bottom front teeth ,by doing this it >>> throws all my back teeth out of line so after I've mended from >>> surgery I will need them all recrowned ...Apparently I get a Bonus >>> chin job out of the deal, as they move my jaw back the chin goes >> with >>> it and they don't want that....I hope it does'nt change the way I >>> look to much as I have an Identical Twin ,...although he told me to >>> ask the surgeon to save the " blueprint " just incase he likes the way >>> it turns out ,LOL.... >>> We have just booked 10 days in vegas for the end of Sept. to >>> celebrate the end of this mess...so I,m hopin it's all over by >>> then!!....Whew , I think I just vented ....Sorry.... >>> >>> 4 weeks till it's your turn >>> Good luck & take care >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> -- In orthognathicsurgerysupport , " sahaab_2000 " >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I want to introduce myself and let all of you know how glad I am >>>> that this group exists. I am having lower advancement on April >>>> 6th. I have a few questions for the group, but first a bit about >>>> me, forgive the lengthy post: >>>> >>>> I am 40 and have had braces on for 2 years. I'm having a hard time >>>> getting psychologically prepared for a surgery I never intended to >>>> have. My whole life I knew I had a slight overbite, apparently it >>>> doesn't show much in my profile, no one can tell. I was always >>> told >>>> that I wasn't bad enough to need braces as a kid. A few years ago >>>> my dentist said I should have had braces, as my back teeth show >>>> signs of wear. I decided to get braces and was given 3 options: >>>> 1.surgery would fix me 100% 2. braces without surgery would make me >>>> 80% better off, mostly cosmetic or 3. do nothing Well, I started >>>> out feeling 100% great, so chose option 2. 80% better has got to be >>>> fantastic. 1 year later, all my teeth went off-line as they >>>> straightened. Now,I have only one tooth that touches in the back. >>>> The ortho said I was one of those picky people, and that some >>> people >>>> in life can live with a rock in their shoe and not be bothered. (I >>>> switched orthos, to make a long story short, after all who on earth >>>> would pay $3500 for a rock in their shoe) I know now that I should >>>> have only opted for braces/surgery-I was under diagnosed. If I >>>> could go back in time and do nothing, I would. So after 2nd >>>> opinions and carefully selecting an ortho and surgeon, they all >>>> agree that the only way out of this mess is surgery. I've learned >>>> by this that if you feel your dr isn't listening or paying >>> attention >>>> along the way, listen to your gut, get the heck out of there and >>>> find someone you feel good about. >>>> >>>> My questions for you: >>>> >>>> I work at home, writing craft books, are most of you back at work >>>> after 2 weeks? >>>> >>>> My sister is coming out to help me, when do you need the most help >>>> after sugery? My husband and kids can help, but they are busy with >>>> work and school. >>>> >>>> Last of all, did any of you have anxiety about whether the surgery >>>> really would put your teeth back in line? I do not have much faith >>>> in getting my bite back, I'm scared. Are most of you able to feel >>>> an improvement after surgery. I read about Dan, I'm curious to ask >>>> Dan if you read this, aside from assemetry, how is your bite now? I >>>> started out caring about pretty teeth, now I just want to chew gum >>>> or bite a sandwich. >>>> >>>> Thanks for listening, I look forward to your friendship as surgery >>>> approaches. Sherri >>>> www.sherrihaab.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Lorraine (Loz?) That would be great! It is hard to make the direct contact to the right people without a direct contact- they get a lot of small companies trying to sell their stuff and they are all so " busy " and stuff... Thanks! Tova > > Have you tried or Myer? They are big expensive stores in > each city of Aus that have designer labels. I can get you their > number or email address if you like. > > Loz > > Tova Friedman wrote: > > not Australia... only the US, South Africa, Singapore, Japan and > Canada... I'd certainly love to add Australia to the list!... you wanna > recommend a shop? If you don't know any, I also sell directly through > email so if individually you'd like something, let me know! You'd be > the only one in your whole country with a Teeze Bag! > > Best, > Tova > > > >> >> I had a look on your web site, I love them - very original. Have you >> exported any of them to Australia yet?? >> >> Lorraine >> >> Tova Friedman wrote: >> >> Not to change the subject, but if you do stop at Mandalay Bay for the >> buffet, be sure to swing by the the gift store... they carry my bags.. >> hehe... >> >> -Tova >> >> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> Thanks for the email, I guess we do have similar situations. You're >>> going to >>> have surgery to fix a mess that shouldn't have happened. I always >>> thought >>> dentistry and orthodontics were pretty predicable. I put way to much >>> trust >>> into letting the dentist/ortho decide stuff about my mouth, when I >>> should >>> have listened to myself. Sometimes your teeth are where they are >>> because >>> nature put them there, and they manage to serve you well. I'm >>> starting to >>> wonder if humans were all meant to have the same cookie cutter game >>> show >>> host smiles. I mean no disrepect for those who really benefit from >>> surgery >>> and it's life altering effects. Thank goodness for the technology. >>> But for >>> those of us who got to this point by trying to fix something that >>> wasn't >>> broken, it's hard to accept. I hope your surgery goes well and you >>> have a >>> speedy recovery. Keep focusing on having a fun trip in Las Vegas in >>> Sept. I >>> know a great buffet at the Mandelay (sp?) Bay, you can celebrate by >>> eating >>> anything you want. Take care, let me know how the surgery goes. >>> >>> Sherri >>> >>> Re: new, surgery April 6 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> Hi Sherri >>>> Your story sounds a little bit similar to mine , believe me i know >>>> your feelings of frustration and anger at having to go through all >>>> this because of professional bad advise...It,s not right..... >>>> I was 46 when my ordeal all began 2 years and 3 months ago , My >>>> teeth and bite worked well , I had no problems other than the were >>>> starting to move and become a bit crooked ...Thats when my Dentist >>>> suggested that he could fix them....As it turned out I had a class 3 >>>> maloclusion(whatever that was) and HE Decided that rather than go >>>> through the Surgery/Braces route( which had that been explained as >>>> the only option ...just would'nt have happened as I did not consider >>>> my teeth that bad for such extreme measures)...His treatment plan >>>> would be to Crown 12 front teeth and create an " end to end " bite to >>>> compensate for the maloclusion ,suggesting that it would turn out as >>>> good and perhaps even better than braces/surgery as well as saving >>>> me,having them rearrange my face ....This is how my nightmare >>>> begins...Long story short, I now have nice straight teeth that crash >>>> down onto each other as the angle was changed for them to meet " end >>>> to end " ....this has thrown my mouth into disfuctional turmoil , I >>>> could never have imagined that teeth on teeth could have caused this >>>> much chao's.....He finally sent me to a specialist who was horrified >>>> that he had attempted this...for the past 8 months life has been >>>> bearable as long as I wear my splint 24/7 .... Some 40 appts. later >>> I >>>> am now sitting here writing this waiting for the hosptital to >>>> call ,to give my time to show up for surgery TOMMORROW(holy crap), >>>> anyway they the have to move my bottom jaw back 5 ml to stop my >>> front >>>> top teeth from crashing into my bottom front teeth ,by doing this it >>>> throws all my back teeth out of line so after I've mended from >>>> surgery I will need them all recrowned ...Apparently I get a Bonus >>>> chin job out of the deal, as they move my jaw back the chin goes >>> with >>>> it and they don't want that....I hope it does'nt change the way I >>>> look to much as I have an Identical Twin ,...although he told me to >>>> ask the surgeon to save the " blueprint " just incase he likes the way >>>> it turns out ,LOL.... >>>> We have just booked 10 days in vegas for the end of Sept. to >>>> celebrate the end of this mess...so I,m hopin it's all over by >>>> then!!....Whew , I think I just vented ....Sorry.... >>>> >>>> 4 weeks till it's your turn >>>> Good luck & take care >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> -- In orthognathicsurgerysupport , " sahaab_2000 " >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I want to introduce myself and let all of you know how glad I am >>>>> that this group exists. I am having lower advancement on April >>>>> 6th. I have a few questions for the group, but first a bit about >>>>> me, forgive the lengthy post: >>>>> >>>>> I am 40 and have had braces on for 2 years. I'm having a hard time >>>>> getting psychologically prepared for a surgery I never intended to >>>>> have. My whole life I knew I had a slight overbite, apparently it >>>>> doesn't show much in my profile, no one can tell. I was always >>>> told >>>>> that I wasn't bad enough to need braces as a kid. A few years ago >>>>> my dentist said I should have had braces, as my back teeth show >>>>> signs of wear. I decided to get braces and was given 3 options: >>>>> 1.surgery would fix me 100% 2. braces without surgery would make me >>>>> 80% better off, mostly cosmetic or 3. do nothing Well, I started >>>>> out feeling 100% great, so chose option 2. 80% better has got to be >>>>> fantastic. 1 year later, all my teeth went off-line as they >>>>> straightened. Now,I have only one tooth that touches in the back. >>>>> The ortho said I was one of those picky people, and that some >>>> people >>>>> in life can live with a rock in their shoe and not be bothered. (I >>>>> switched orthos, to make a long story short, after all who on earth >>>>> would pay $3500 for a rock in their shoe) I know now that I should >>>>> have only opted for braces/surgery-I was under diagnosed. If I >>>>> could go back in time and do nothing, I would. So after 2nd >>>>> opinions and carefully selecting an ortho and surgeon, they all >>>>> agree that the only way out of this mess is surgery. I've learned >>>>> by this that if you feel your dr isn't listening or paying >>>> attention >>>>> along the way, listen to your gut, get the heck out of there and >>>>> find someone you feel good about. >>>>> >>>>> My questions for you: >>>>> >>>>> I work at home, writing craft books, are most of you back at work >>>>> after 2 weeks? >>>>> >>>>> My sister is coming out to help me, when do you need the most help >>>>> after sugery? My husband and kids can help, but they are busy with >>>>> work and school. >>>>> >>>>> Last of all, did any of you have anxiety about whether the surgery >>>>> really would put your teeth back in line? I do not have much faith >>>>> in getting my bite back, I'm scared. Are most of you able to feel >>>>> an improvement after surgery. I read about Dan, I'm curious to ask >>>>> Dan if you read this, aside from assemetry, how is your bite now? I >>>>> started out caring about pretty teeth, now I just want to chew gum >>>>> or bite a sandwich. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for listening, I look forward to your friendship as surgery >>>>> approaches. Sherri >>>>> www.sherrihaab.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Hiya! Yeah, Dr. Super is good and he does answer all my questions... there were just a few times where the answer- as it related directly to me- changed. (we can use screws... well, we could not use screws on you... stuff like that.) he is certainly very knowledgeable and has been doing this a long time so I'd trust his answers. I think, though he did not tell me for a fact, that he prefers the old fashioned wiring instead of screws. He told me that as the jaw heals you can sort of guide it into place like a plane coming in for a landing. .. his words... which kinda makes sense. As to your question of the day.... my answer is Yes- I would go through it again. Honestly, if for no other reason than that I am the type of person that always would have wondered if I should have. It also gave me something interesting to talk about. Usually I am very boring unless the conversation is about bags. I struggled with the idea of getting braces and was finally convinced when I read an inspirational article in People magazine about a woman who, after a lifetime of struggling starting her own businesses, finally hit the big time with some buffalo hair cashmere. I turned the page and there was a picture of a lovely looking woman of about 55 wearing braces and I thought to myself... I don't want to be thinking about this for the next 25 years before actually fixing it. yes, the process sucks (though lets be honest- the adrenaline rush is sorta fun) and the wiring sucks and the people around you who suck, suck even more... and yes, on the rare occasion something could go wrong, but for the most part, It's 6 weeks out of your entire life, that will possibly change the rest of it. As a whole, I think my battle with the insurance company was worse than the whole surgery experience. Now, I am probably the exception there- my insurance battle was very fierce and my surgery, not as complicated as many of you... But i cried a lot more and lost a lot more sleep about the insurance thing... Also, my answer might be different if I had had a lot of physical changes to my face... I can imagine that is very emotionally difficult---- just the 2 days where my center line was off gave me knots in my stomach. Also, if I had to stay home for that amount of time it would have been more difficult- or if I had numbness- that would have sucked. But I didn't. I think all of those factors would have been more in play if I had had upper jaw as well... that is probably a lot more difficult. I think for all my complaining, my surgery and healing went very smooth. Good Luck with yours... I already feel like it's practically history... Best, Tova > > >  >  Tova i live in arizona i am having lower jaw with genio >  sometime later this year. I wanted to let you know that i emailed >  Dr. SUPER  about 5 times for questions and he was kind enough >  to answer all of them for  me. I thought that was very nice >  of him. My question of the day for you is this knowing what >  you know. Would do this procedure again?? Thanks good luck >  healing will tell my wife to check out your website she is >  from New York Thanks > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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