Re: Anyone tried Jini Patel-'s Protocols or Absorb Plus

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The first book I ever got was "the ibd remission diet" by Jini Patel . I paid $25.00 for it and after reading through a little of it I noticed it was more advertisement for products she sells and gets a cut of the profits from than it was "i'm here to help". After looking deeper and finding that she charges $1,000.00 for an E-MAIL consult it became quite clear what all the motivation was behind the book and the products she offers. It's funny how you can't get any info on her probiotic enema or most of the other things she tell you to use unless you buy the book or pay some online fee. That's the short version of all the things I find wrong with her books/programs.It may help some people, but it's a total waste of time and money in my opinion. -UC - 1+ yearsSCD - 8 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.Asacol - 12 pills a day Prednisone 40mg entocort With vit E mixed inBack to intro/stage 1 for now.To: BTVC-SCD From: idkwia@...Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:33:21 +0000Subject: Anyone tried Jini Patel-'s Protocols or Absorb Plus

I am thinking of trying Jini Patel-'s protocol including the elemental diet using her Absorb Plus. Has anyone here tried it and if so what are your results?

I notice that Absorb Plus contains maltodextrin and so is not SCD legal.

Steve

Constant stomach dsicomfort and/or nausea 18mths

SCD 3.5 mths

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I tried this too before SCD.

I have stated before that I bought a bunch of different diet books before

settling on SCD. SCD may have been a little harder to do at first, but it made

the most sense to me. To follow Jini Patel's program you have to purchase and

use her supplements. (Note that nobody profits from SCD, and the advice... from

all of us.. is also a no profit situation.)

I tried absorb plus when I was basically not tolerating much of anything at all.

I thought it would be a good source of nutrition. Not only did it contain

maltodextrin, but a single serving also had a huge load of carbs. For me, it

made the D worse. I used it for 2 days and when it increased the D for me, I

stopped.

Shortly after that I started SCD.

PJ

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I paid $25.00 for it and after reading through a little of it I noticed it was

more advertisement for products she sells and gets a cut of the profits from

than it was " i'm here to help " . After looking deeper and finding that she

charges $1,000.00 for an E-MAIL consult it became quite clear what all the

motivation was behind the book and the products she offers. It's funny how you

can't get any info on her probiotic enema or most of the other things she tell

you to use unless you buy the book or pay some online fee.

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> Asacol - 12 pills a day

> Prednisone 40mg

> entocort With vit E mixed in

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Too many greedy people in this world with no morals.

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> I am thinking of trying Jini Patel-'s protocol including the elemental

diet using her Absorb Plus. Has anyone here tried it and if so what are your

results?

> I notice that Absorb Plus contains maltodextrin and so is not SCD legal.

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> Steve

> Constant stomach dsicomfort and/or nausea 18mths

> SCD 3.5 mths

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At 03:33 PM 3/28/2010, you wrote:

I am thinking of trying Jini

Patel-'s protocol including the elemental diet using her Absorb

Plus. Has anyone here tried it and if so what are your results?

I notice that Absorb Plus contains maltodextrin and so is not SCD

legal.

Jini Patel's protocols and products are not SCD legal. This is a Specific

Carbohydrate Diet list, not a Jini Patel list.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

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Yes, and this question comes up from time to time. I think, from my perspective,

the larger question is can you combine the various diets around, and after

extensive reading, I concluded that you can't. Either the food list or the

supplements are incompatible with SCD.

I think some people would want to examine all options. I know I wanted to read

everything. After reading many books, SCD was the only program that really made

sense, and one of the few that nobody stands to profit from.

The other aspect is the sheer loneliness and fear of dealing with GI issues.

Some programs offer advice and support for a fee. This board has been the best

support ever, and with no charge. I am so grateful for the help here, and hope

to pass on the favor.

I hope it is reassuring to some people starting SCD to know that some of us have

read the alternatives- even if it is not appropriate to discuss them here, and

chose SCD. The collective information here is massive and comes from people who

are always reading and searching. There are no other short cuts, and if there

were, you would read about it here. My best recommendation is to save your time

and money, and stick to SCD.

PJ

> >I am thinking of trying Jini Patel-'s

> >protocol including the elemental diet using her

> >Absorb Plus. Has anyone here tried it and if so what are your results?

> >I notice that Absorb Plus contains maltodextrin and so is not SCD legal.

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> Jini Patel's protocols and products are not SCD

> legal. This is a Specific Carbohydrate Diet list, not a Jini Patel list.

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> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> Babette the Foundling Beagle

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I'm so grateful for your time. I can understand someone feeling the need to pay

for the chance to discuss alternatives and possibilities about diets and

supplements. My own doctor spent very little time with me and dismissed diet

from the get-go. I do recall feeling completely out on a limb and isolated until

I found this board.

The best way I can thank you and everyone else here is to " pay it forward " and

help others along the way as well.

PJ

> >I think some people would want to examine all

> >options. I know I wanted to read everything.

> >After reading many books, SCD was the only

> >program that really made sense, and one of the

> >few that nobody stands to profit from.

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> Agreed. I spent 25 years trying every gut diet

> known to humankind. SCD was the only one which

> made sense in the long term, and which didn't ask

> me to buy a million specialized products to succeed.

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> If I seem abrupt about some of these

> " alternatives, " it may be because I volunteer

> 40-60 hours a week for SCD. The idea that someone

> would get $1000 for an email consultation is appalling to me.

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> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> Babette the Foundling Beagle

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It's only $100.00 per sentence to post on it. -UC - 1+ yearsSCD - 8 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.Asacol - 12 pills a day Prednisone 40mg entocort With vit E mixed inBack to intro/stage 1 for now.To: BTVC-SCD From: smdsmom2008@...Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:54:29 +0000Subject: Re: Anyone tried Jini Patel-'s Protocols or Absorb Plus

Since we are on the discussion, despite Marilyn not wanting to go there, I will say this about SCD and JP.

I have read JP's book.

She stated in her book that she came up with her program as an alternative to SCD, but she liked SCD and wanted similar results. However, hers requires her supplements and I can not vouch that her program has a similar success rate even though she claims it worked for her. I suspect SCD would have given her good results if she had chosen to stick with it.

Everyone here is free to make their own choices, and I sincerely hope everyone recovers. But as Marilyn says, this is an SCD board, and anyone wanting more info on JP's program should look at her board

PJ

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> That bio could almost be mine except I was taking 21 pills per day without

> family connections or money. I have had eight blood transfusions and in

> 2005 decided it's either try an alternative or die with the added meds they

> had put me on.

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> I also remember in the midst of that, I got upset because Jordan Rubin's

> supplements were so expensive I couldn't buy them. I had been fired three

> times and had to move in with my mother. A 'friend' kept asking how I kept

> my weight off. She wanted all the info I had on JR and his diet for her

> very ill neice. Due to a trip to Louisiana during Hurricane Rita, I met the

> non-existant niece (her little sister) who lost over 100lbs. and had the

> entire JR line of supplements on her kitchen counter.

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> I wouldn't/couldn't pay $855 for one email consultation. It's insane.

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> Debbie 40 cd houston dx'd 3/02

> scd 12/05 with many lapses

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Hi Steve,

For starters I haven't tried Absorb Plus, but have read JPT's book, Listen to

Your Gut. I'll just shed my insight into this. Absorb Plus' aim is to mimic

the elemental diet, using 'natural' ingredients. From my understanding of BTVC

(see chap. 1 in particular), is that SCD is meant through diet, to similarly

provide energy/nutrients to us as a synthetic elemental diet would (both rely on

monosaccharides). Considering this, I think it would be safe to say that Absorb

Plus, SCD and elemental diets to some extent are aiming for something similar.

So then if they're supposed to do the same thing on one level and you're not

achieving results with SCD, the question becomes what's the point? Perhaps the

elemental diet or anything that aims to reproduce its results won't work for

your condition. However, if your predominant issues are nausea and specifically

stomach discomfort, perhaps the Absorb Plus would be a more ideal option for you

than SCD, considering that it is said to be " predigested " (and SCD may have some

things that are difficult on the stomach like meat or raw veggies or nuts,

especially if there's an issue with low stomach acid). Since you haven't been

seeing any results with SCD after 3.5 months and if you have the extra cash

(with shipping, it apparently can be quite costly to rely on Absorb Plus), maybe

it wouldn't hurt to give it a go. Sorry that I can't give you any direct

experience with the product, but I do sympathize with your quest to heal/help

yourself. However, I am turned off by JPT's exorbitant cost for consultation...

I hope you find what works for you, whether you continue to follow SCD or not.

Meli

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> Thanks to all of you who have answered here, I am very grateful.

> The reason I asked my question here is because I have learned to trust the

opinions of people here and I also know that a number of you will have at least

some dealings with Jini Patel-.

> At the same time, like all of you, I am desperate to get better and this board

is surely mostly about people who want to get better.

> Jini charges $855 dollars for an email consultation and that is indeed a lot

of money and that is also a reason for me wanting to get other people's

opinions.

> It is fair to say that Jini Patel- is a supporter of SCD I believe. I

have seen at least one post from her on the SCD boards. She did try SCD and it

helped her but not enough.

> It is certainly not my intention to hijack this SCD board on behalf of Jini

Patel-Thomson, far from it in fact. However I would suggest that it is only

right that we discuss other protocols here; after all if someone really did find

a cure for all of our problems so that we could all eat what we want then we

would want to know about it.

> Ultimately I have to make my own decision. I have been on SCD for 3.5mths but

as yet no improvement but I don't have UC or Chron's.

> Thank you all for your input and I would welcome input from others.

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> I will close by copying part of a reply from the UK SCD which is a testimonial

about Jini Patel- herself.

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> http://jptwellnesscircle.s3.amazonaws.com/l2yg/interviewjini.mp3 - this tells

the remarkable story of how Jini came to become a researcher & a pioneering

fount of knowledge on all issues related to intestinal ill-health and damage. It

takes the form of a conversation explaining how she healed herself after

literally beign brought to the suicidal brink aged 17 with one of the most

severe cases of Crohn's Disease where for the first three years after being

diagnosed, because of her family’s medical connections, she had accesss into

the top gastroenterologist in Canada †" including one GI in charge of a national

research team on Crohn’s and colitis but despite the crème de la crème

orthodox care she describes herself as sick as a dog, getting worse and worse

with every passing month. After three years and on 13 pills a day, she was told

her widespread Crohn’s, was affecting her small intestine and large intestine,

possibly spread to the stomach and she was told she’d probably have to spend

the rest of her life in and out of the hospital, wldn’t be able to have

children, or hold down a job. At her nadir she was hemorrhaging and filling

about four toilet bowls full of blood a day, with mouth ulcers covering her

mouth, down her esophagus, unable to eat, and in continual pain. After a big

mental shift towards embracing health and healing, she first began with the SCD

diet which but helped but only to a degree and from then on she has contined to

refine and improve and research, research, research first healing hersel

entirely and helping legion clients in the intervening 2 decades…

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> Steve

> SCD - 3.5mths

> Constant stomach discomfort and nausea 18mths

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