very worried

[Guest guest]

,

I share your worries. Before I began my life change (early this year) I

weighted 150lbs. I am 5'9 " male and have been slim my whole life. At

150lbs most people said I was too skinny.

After 3+ months of a mainly veggie diet I was down to 130lbs. Everyone I

know noticed and told me they were worried. Well guess what I got down to

120lbs. I'm sure everyone I have not told thinks I have HIV.

I think my major weight loss was related not just to eating veggies but I

don't think my body was getting enough nutrients from what I was eating (not

to mention leaky gut ect). I think I ate too many raw veggies. I am eating

fruit (early in the day and maybe an apple or something similar 30 mins

before a meal) and a lot more meat, I think these changes are helping. I

have much more frequent bowl movements now (2+ times a day now) and my scale

said 125lbs this morning!

> VERY worried

>

> Hi guys! I am getting very concerned about my weight.

> Before I started on this journey to wellness, I

> weighed 120 pounds (before BC pill) and 125 pounds (on

> BC pill) and I am 5ft 11 (180cm). I was quite

> unhealthy with a lot of problems a little over a year

> ago: candidas, LGS, IBS, dry skin and acne, sinusitis,

> chrnoic fatigue, gingivitis, vulvodynia, and whatever

> else.. you name it. I wasn't doing so well. I have

> done everything in my power to try and get better. I

> no longer have signs of candidas, rarely have vaginal

> pain, my IBS isn't quite 100% fixes... but going

> almost once a day is much better compared to the once

> a week before. I am quite alert and my gums are doing

> well since I got my amalgam removed. My acne has

> gotten worse on my face and I still have problems with

> my sinuses. Here is a list of things I have done:

> 1. 3 herbal liver cleanses, and some other herbal

> organ cleanses, adrenal support, etc

> 2. I did a parasite cleanse with candibactin (helps

> fight yeast and parasites)

> 3. i do dry brushing and sauna treatments

> 4. i did enemas awhile back and did my first colonic

> yesterday

> 4. I eat as natural a diet as I can. I still eat meat

> but it is usually organic and infrequent, lots of

> fruit, veggies, grains. I did an elimination diet last

> year and have removed my offending foods (dairy,

> caffine, corn) I also stay away from processed and

> refined foods

> 5. I have tried prograin (very expensive and didn't

> gain me an ounce) and whey protein powder... no luck

> 6. I wash and brush my teeth with natural products

> 7. my period is still outta wack, we haven't been able

> to fix that yet but I think my weight may have

> something to do with it.

> 8. I had a gluten test taken=negative, I had a thyroid

> test 2 weeks ago and it is a little on the low side

> but not listed as being below normal.

> 9. also took l-glutamine and licorice and other herbs

> to heal the intestinal wall

>

> I am mostly worried because since I started all of

> this I was 125 pounds and have dropped to 110, then

> 108, then 106... and today I weighed myself to find I

> am 105 pounds do you know how skinny that is for a

> 5ft11 girl? It makes me cry and I really worry what is

> going to happen to me if I keep losing more weight?!?

> (PS. I eat like a pig ) The only other things I can

> think of at this point would be to shell out money for

> a smokey labs parasite test or an intestinal

> permeability test. If anyone else has any ideas, I

> would really appreciate a response. Thanks a lot in

> advance!

>

> *8-)

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't rule out celiac disease or gluten sensitivity yet. The tests that

they have for them even the gold standard endoscopy can give negative

results. It depends greatly on the lab that does the test, which test and

who is reading the results. Try an elimination diet, it in my opinion is the

best way to see if you are gluten intollerant. Remove wheat, rye, barley and

any of the derivatives from your diet for a week and see if you gain any

weight.

I wish you well!

>From: " M. " <puhutes@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: VERY worried

>Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:57:24 -0400 (EDT)

>

>Hi guys! I am getting very concerned about my weight.

>Before I started on this journey to wellness, I

>weighed 120 pounds (before BC pill) and 125 pounds (on

>BC pill) and I am 5ft 11 (180cm). I was quite

>unhealthy with a lot of problems a little over a year

>ago: candidas, LGS, IBS, dry skin and acne, sinusitis,

>chrnoic fatigue, gingivitis, vulvodynia, and whatever

>else.. you name it. I wasn't doing so well. I have

>done everything in my power to try and get better. I

>no longer have signs of candidas, rarely have vaginal

>pain, my IBS isn't quite 100% fixes... but going

>almost once a day is much better compared to the once

>a week before. I am quite alert and my gums are doing

>well since I got my amalgam removed. My acne has

>gotten worse on my face and I still have problems with

>my sinuses. Here is a list of things I have done:

>1. 3 herbal liver cleanses, and some other herbal

>organ cleanses, adrenal support, etc

>2. I did a parasite cleanse with candibactin (helps

>fight yeast and parasites)

>3. i do dry brushing and sauna treatments

>4. i did enemas awhile back and did my first colonic

>yesterday

>4. I eat as natural a diet as I can. I still eat meat

>but it is usually organic and infrequent, lots of

>fruit, veggies, grains. I did an elimination diet last

>year and have removed my offending foods (dairy,

>caffine, corn) I also stay away from processed and

>refined foods

>5. I have tried prograin (very expensive and didn't

>gain me an ounce) and whey protein powder... no luck

>6. I wash and brush my teeth with natural products

>7. my period is still outta wack, we haven't been able

>to fix that yet but I think my weight may have

>something to do with it.

>8. I had a gluten test taken=negative, I had a thyroid

>test 2 weeks ago and it is a little on the low side

>but not listed as being below normal.

>9. also took l-glutamine and licorice and other herbs

>to heal the intestinal wall

>

>I am mostly worried because since I started all of

>this I was 125 pounds and have dropped to 110, then

>108, then 106... and today I weighed myself to find I

>am 105 pounds do you know how skinny that is for a

>5ft11 girl? It makes me cry and I really worry what is

>going to happen to me if I keep losing more weight?!?

>(PS. I eat like a pig ) The only other things I can

>think of at this point would be to shell out money for

>a smokey labs parasite test or an intestinal

>permeability test. If anyone else has any ideas, I

>would really appreciate a response. Thanks a lot in

>advance!

>

> *8-)

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, I know how you feel. I hate being called

anorexic... but most people that know me think it is

hilarious since I am normally eating all the time! I

have been eating more fruits, veggies and grains

lately and less meat (mostly because I am doing a

liver cleanse right now and was told red meat is off

limits) I have been eating fish and chicken still

*sigh* I really don't know. It is very frustrating

because everything on the Internet is: Are you obese,

do you want to lose weight? Man! I would like to have

a few sites that help with underweight issues.

Curezone has a forum with only 6 posts (2 of which are

from me *grumble*) I may try to eat more meat... I am

worried it will just sit and rot in my colon though.

Everything I have been reading suggests to eat meat

only a few times a week.

*8-)

[Guest guest]

Ahh the liver cleanse. I want to do that myself as soon as I get off these

meds. I just made an appointment for Monday with my doctor to see what he

thinks I should do.

Most people will think I'm crazy but here is my diet for the last week and I

think it is working great (yeah I look at my own stool, how awkward huh).

Morning -- Glass of water w/ psyllium, vitamins & supplements, one piece of

fruit, two slices of toast (kamut and/or spelt) then make 1/2lb of burger.

Lunch -- One piece of fruit 30 mins before, then 1/2lb burger or salmon or

chicken or turkey plus a side salad

Dinner -- Chicken or salmon or some kind of whitefish. Sometimes a small

salad sometimes a bean dish sometimes steamed veggies (broccoli or similar)

I'm doing soo much better now. Every few days I try to not eat meat to

flush things a bit (a veggie day). This is not a permanent diet by any

means but it is working well for me now. I drink only water w/ lemon and/or

grapefruit juice (I make this juice daily in the morning while waiting for

the burger to cook).

I think my biggest problem when I was eating less meat was my body didn't

digest RAW veggies well. Fruit helps if you eat it before hand (has enzymes

for digestion). Psyllium helped a lot with my loose stool.

Also make sure you buy good meat. Hormone and antibiotic free is a

requirement for us. I go to Trader Joe's which has excellent prices and

great meats (if you believe what is on the packaging I guess). I buy 4% or

8% fat beef.

I hope some of this helps you. Keep in mind what is good for me might not

be for you. We all have different sensitivities and requirements.

Your comment about seeing all the loose weight websites made me think of

every time I go to a health food store. I always am looking at the

different protein drinks (have not found one yet -- still looking) and when

I'm browsing I always hear someone asking a clerk about what diet pills are

good and how the ones they are taking now aren't producing any results.

I like being different but it's very unusual to not be able to gain weight

isn't it!

> RE: VERY worried

>

> Hmmm, I know how you feel. I hate being called

> anorexic... but most people that know me think it is

> hilarious since I am normally eating all the time! I

> have been eating more fruits, veggies and grains

> lately and less meat (mostly because I am doing a

> liver cleanse right now and was told red meat is off

> limits) I have been eating fish and chicken still

> *sigh* I really don't know. It is very frustrating

> because everything on the Internet is: Are you obese,

> do you want to lose weight? Man! I would like to have

> a few sites that help with underweight issues.

> Curezone has a forum with only 6 posts (2 of which are

> from me *grumble*) I may try to eat more meat... I am

> worried it will just sit and rot in my colon though.

> Everything I have been reading suggests to eat meat

> only a few times a week.

>

> *8-)

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Stacey, I did the elimination diet already and

I had no problems with grains, as an exrta measure, I

THEN had the celiac testing done... just to make sure

and actually I am on an elimination diet again

right now... we had removed flax, rye and oats this

time.

*8-)

[Guest guest]

Hi Asli,

What extactly does a kinesiologist do? I have never

been to one of those or even read up about it.

Honestly, I have had this weight problem my whole

life. I used to eat all this junk to try and gain

weight with no luck at all, I am just worried now

because my weight is now dropping... I eat a lot of

potatoes and grains.

*8-)

[Guest guest]

I usually eat chicken, fish (canned sardines and

kippers) salmon and tuna. I often visit the local

vegetarian restaurants to indulge in their wonderful

bean soups. I don't think carbs or proteins are a

problem. Now my BF says " EAT MORE " Well I know that

isn't the answer because I eat many small meals a day

(this is supposed to be better for the digestion and

assimilation process) I used to pig out till I was

past full, but have since changed my ways. Hmm, is

prosure like progain? I spent about 80 bucks on that

progain stuff from the health store (my ND recommended

it) and I tried whey powder too... I didn't gain an

ounce.

*8-)

[Guest guest]

My husband works out a lot (major gym freak) I asked him a bit about your

problem. He suggested bannana's and peanut butter (that old weight gain standby)

And also said going to a health food store or GNC and telling them that you want

a weight gainer shake (he likes NitroTECH from GNC which is soy based) and

letting them know that you can't have certain things in your diet.

Meredith

RE: VERY worried

I usually eat chicken, fish (canned sardines and

kippers) salmon and tuna. I often visit the local

vegetarian restaurants to indulge in their wonderful

bean soups. I don't think carbs or proteins are a

problem. Now my BF says " EAT MORE " Well I know that

isn't the answer because I eat many small meals a day

(this is supposed to be better for the digestion and

assimilation process) I used to pig out till I was

past full, but have since changed my ways. Hmm, is

prosure like progain? I spent about 80 bucks on that

progain stuff from the health store (my ND recommended

it) and I tried whey powder too... I didn't gain an

ounce.

*8-)

[Guest guest]

I haven't done the " s " liver cleanse yet, but

now that I have finally found someone to do colon

therapy, I will consider it. I did different herbal

ones under the direction of my ND. The one I am doing

right now is to take a tsp of rosemary homeopathic

drops 3 times a day. *lol* I look at every stool I

make... helps me try and figure out if I am actually

digesting stuff. I try and eat mostly organic food and

only hormon free range meat... tastes much better

anyways

> I like being different but it's very unusual to not

> be able to gain weight

> isn't it!

Yes! It is annoying I guess just as annoying as for

people trying to lose weight

*8-)

[Guest guest]

Thanks Meredith... I tried that already too

I tried whey powder and a healthfood store kind called

progain. I also eat a lot of cashew butter or almond

butter and bananas (ps. peanuts are really unhealthy

because of a poisionous mold that grows on them called

aflatoxin... I don't eat peanuts)

*8-)

[Guest guest]

> One other thing I just thought of : you may try Prosure, which is

> meant as a drink for cancer patients, and contains some sort of

> optimal blend of nutrients. The same company also makes Ensure and

> other drinks. www.prosure.com

>

> Asli

Second ingredient is sugar. ProSure is not good for cancer patients

OR candida patients. Here is the list, read it 'n weep. You can make

a better supplement on your own kitchen.

(Vanilla): Water, corn maltodextrin, sodium and calcium caseinates,

milk protein isolate, sugar (sucrose), corn syrup, sardine oil,

fructooligosaccharides, medium chain triglycerides, natural &

artificial flavors, sodium citrate, potassium citrate, canola oil,

magnesium chloride, calcium phosphate, soy oil, lecithin, magnesium

phosphate, choline chloride, ascorbic acid, taurine, potassium

chloride, L-carnitine, dl-alpha-tocopheryl acetate, zinc sulfate,

ascorbyl palmitate, carrageenan, niacinamide, calcium pantothenate,

manganese sulfate, vitamin A palmitate, mixed tocopherols, thiamine

chloride hydrochloride, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic

acid, biotin, chromium chloride, sodium molybdate, sodium selenate,

potassium iodide, phylloquinone, cyanocobalamin, and vitamin D3.

(7749-01)

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Do you have low blood pressure and have a feeling of fainting when

you stand up? What are you doing to address your adrenals?

> Hi guys! I am getting very concerned about my weight.

> Before I started on this journey to wellness, I

> weighed 120 pounds (before BC pill) and 125 pounds (on

> BC pill) and I am 5ft 11 (180cm). I was quite

> unhealthy with a lot of problems a little over a year

> ago: candidas, LGS, IBS, dry skin and acne, sinusitis,

> chrnoic fatigue, gingivitis, vulvodynia, and whatever

> else.. you name it. I wasn't doing so well. I have

> done everything in my power to try and get better. I

> no longer have signs of candidas, rarely have vaginal

> pain, my IBS isn't quite 100% fixes... but going

> almost once a day is much better compared to the once

> a week before. I am quite alert and my gums are doing

> well since I got my amalgam removed. My acne has

> gotten worse on my face and I still have problems with

> my sinuses. Here is a list of things I have done:

> 1. 3 herbal liver cleanses, and some other herbal

> organ cleanses, adrenal support, etc

> 2. I did a parasite cleanse with candibactin (helps

> fight yeast and parasites)

> 3. i do dry brushing and sauna treatments

> 4. i did enemas awhile back and did my first colonic

> yesterday

> 4. I eat as natural a diet as I can. I still eat meat

> but it is usually organic and infrequent, lots of

> fruit, veggies, grains. I did an elimination diet last

> year and have removed my offending foods (dairy,

> caffine, corn) I also stay away from processed and

> refined foods

> 5. I have tried prograin (very expensive and didn't

> gain me an ounce) and whey protein powder... no luck

> 6. I wash and brush my teeth with natural products

> 7. my period is still outta wack, we haven't been able

> to fix that yet but I think my weight may have

> something to do with it.

> 8. I had a gluten test taken=negative, I had a thyroid

> test 2 weeks ago and it is a little on the low side

> but not listed as being below normal.

> 9. also took l-glutamine and licorice and other herbs

> to heal the intestinal wall

>

> I am mostly worried because since I started all of

> this I was 125 pounds and have dropped to 110, then

> 108, then 106... and today I weighed myself to find I

> am 105 pounds do you know how skinny that is for a

> 5ft11 girl? It makes me cry and I really worry what is

> going to happen to me if I keep losing more weight?!?

> (PS. I eat like a pig ) The only other things I can

> think of at this point would be to shell out money for

> a smokey labs parasite test or an intestinal

> permeability test. If anyone else has any ideas, I

> would really appreciate a response. Thanks a lot in

> advance!

>

> *8-)

[Guest guest]

I'm glad you're keeping an open mind! I have no idea what is better between

veggie and meat long term. I can tell for the short term I need to eat more

meat than I was. Do you know your blood type?

Good luck on the flush! I will be trying them myself after I stop my meds.

> Re: VERY worried

>

> DJ-

>

> this is a tough issue, and one which I remain unsure of. I am

> strongly vata, and have gone a few months now without meat (with a few

> minor exceptions). s often says that meat is not required (or

> healthy) for any body type long term. This is a controversial

> statement to say the least. I am keeping my mind open on this subject

> and have not decided one way or the other. Many people often point

> out that vegetarians often have more serious health problems than meat

> eaters. I agree, but this also looks a few issues, if those

> vegetarians are eating lots of cheese or processed soy ect, well you

> might as well eat meat... of course they will be unhealthy. I also

> respect the weston price foundations' opinions on meat, so needless to

> say, its a tough issue.

>

> not eating meat is allowing me to get into some really deep cleansing

> that I know I need. at this point, I will probably return to eating

> meat a few times a week after all my cleansing is done, which could be

> soon I think.

>

> for those of you thinking about liver flushing, and honestly everyone

> should it, its powerful and helped me more than anything else, be

> patient. the liver holds an amazing amount of toxins and it takes

> time to get it out in a way that won't hurt the body. I am doing

> flush number 14 tonight, and I can hardly wait as the pain in my neck

> is getting unbearable again.

[Guest guest]

A few years ago, I used to pass out all the but I

started on the natural diet and addressing my candida

and other symptoms. I took something for my adrenals

last year. Let me try and remember what it was

called.. I justed looked it up. It is called Ribes

Nigrum (recommended by my ND)

*8-)

--- youngjaem <youngjaem@...> wrote:

> Do you have low blood pressure and have a feeling of

> fainting when

> you stand up? What are you doing to address your

> adrenals?

>

[Guest guest]

That's very possible. I am blood type A (vegetarian)

but honestly, I am not so sure about the d'Adamo

theory of " eat right 4 your type " . I try to keep a

balance of complex carbs and proteins. Maybe I will

try to eat more protein.

*8-)

> ,

>

> No diet is right for everyone. Maybe you're a

> " protein type " (see www.mercola.com) and would do

> much better on a diet higher in meats and fats and

> few or no carbs.

>

> Best,

> Abbadi

>

[Guest guest]

I was briefly reading about those types yesterday, but

I didn't do the test to see where I fit.

*8-)

> Sounds like how I think I am. I can't survive on

> mainly veggies. I wonder

> if that is common for the vata body type?

>

[Guest guest]

Also some vegetarians eat tofu and soy products, which

are highly processed and many are genetically modified

just like the other crap on the shelves that made us

sick to begin with. I agree that eating meat

(especially the " factory " made meats as opposed to

organic, free range, hormone free) 3 times a day is

probably unhealthy for anyone. A few times a week is

okay.

*8-)

Many

> people often point

> out that vegetarians often have more serious health

> problems than meat

> eaters.

[Guest guest]

Hi Helen!

I did get my thyroid checked... the tests did come

back a little on the low side and I will probably be

going and doing some more tests. *sigh* This puzzle

has thousands of pieces

*8-)

> Hello

> Hopefully you have had your thyroid checked? Both

> hypo and hyperthyroidism

> could cause this.

> Regards

> Helen

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jeeze,

It sounds like you've tried everything under the sun.

Hmmm, I'll have to read further to see if anyone hit the nail on the head.

I feel for you .

Re: VERY worried

Thanks Meredith... I tried that already too

I tried whey powder and a healthfood store kind called

progain. I also eat a lot of cashew butter or almond

butter and bananas (ps. peanuts are really unhealthy

because of a poisionous mold that grows on them called

aflatoxin... I don't eat peanuts)

*8-)

[Guest guest]

A's can eat chicken & fish, but the chicken isn't a highly beneficial.

Disregard my previous question about your blood type. LOL I think you told us

b4 that you are an A.

Thanks

: )

Re: VERY worried

That's very possible. I am blood type A (vegetarian)

but honestly, I am not so sure about the d'Adamo

theory of " eat right 4 your type " . I try to keep a

balance of complex carbs and proteins. Maybe I will

try to eat more protein.

*8-)

> ,

>

> No diet is right for everyone. Maybe you're a

> " protein type " (see www.mercola.com) and would do

> much better on a diet higher in meats and fats and

> few or no carbs.

>

> Best,

> Abbadi

>

[Guest guest]

I eat Sol Cuisine's Organic Tofu. Please tell me it's not full of garbage. LOL

Do you eat Tempeh? Although the taste is very strong, it's even higher in

protein than Tofu therefore better for you.

I have a recipe I tried out last week for it, but I had to adlib some of the

ingredients. It turned out very very salty, but I could handle the tempeh part.

Btw, I went to one of those restaurants on that list you gave me.

Although the ambience was nice, I ended up drinking alcohol : ( & only 2 - 3

items on their menu had protein in it.

I asked the waitress what was up w/ that & she just shrugged.

Very modern vegetarian food & the appetizers were interesting & tasty, but very

unhealthy. People walk out of there not getting their required amounts, drink

alcohol thinking all the while they are eating healthy. <sigh>

That's why I said.... Anyone want to open a REAL healthy rest.?

I mean really. : )

Re: Re: VERY worried

Also some vegetarians eat tofu and soy products, which

are highly processed and many are genetically modified

just like the other crap on the shelves that made us

sick to begin with. I agree that eating meat

(especially the " factory " made meats as opposed to

organic, free range, hormone free) 3 times a day is

probably unhealthy for anyone. A few times a week is

okay.

*8-)

Many

> people often point

> out that vegetarians often have more serious health

> problems than meat

> eaters.

[Guest guest]

Hey !!

Hehe, you are a bit behind in answering.. were you on

vacation? I personally feel the problem is parasites.

I did a parasite cleanse last year but I am going to

try it again with the style of this board. Right now I

am taking a bit of oil of oregano, I will try some

garlic and I still have some candi-bactin from last

year, and i will look into getting some cloves and

grapefruit seed extract. My colonics have been pretty

good so far. I have had 3 sessions and my next one is

tomorrow. My first 2 sessions had a lot of light

coloured stool.. this apparently means that I have no

been digesting food properly (which I already knew),

the 3rd one however, it was finally getting darker.

The 3rd one was a pretty bad one for me because there

was a lot of bubbles and gas with a lot of hard

compacted stool comming out. She says she hasn't seen

any parasites yet, but I sometimes see white stringy

stuff in the toilet after going to the washroom. I'm

really enjoying the colonics so far, the lady I am

going to is very nice and I am sure this will really

help me a lot. BTW, I am down to 101 2 weeks ago to

108 when I checked yesterday (so no idea what's going

on with my weight) Thanks for your concern

*8-)

>

> Jeeze,

>

> It sounds like you've tried everything under the

> sun.

>

> Hmmm, I'll have to read further to see if anyone hit

> the nail on the head.

>

> I feel for you .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

*lol* If and when I go to Toronto next, we should

hookup .. and you can show me where to eat

If you come to Ottawa, I have a few really awsome

places to take you!

*8-)

[Guest guest]

Can cause weight loss as well - it is actually one of the symptoms I didn't

get <sigh>

Candace

_____

From: youngjaem [mailto:youngjaem@...]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:40 AM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Fw: VERY worried

Wouldn't diabeties cause weight gain?

[Guest guest]

Obesity generally goes hand in hand with diabetes.

*8-)

> Wouldn't diabeties cause weight gain?

>