re: casein in breastmilk

[Guest guest]

> Is casien in Breastmilk? If so, anyone know how much?

Breastmilk does contain casein, but according to most parents their

children tolerate it if the mother doesn't eat any of the foods the

child can't tolerate. In my son's case he was " addicted " to

breastmilk the way some kids drink cow's milk--almost age 3, he was

nursing about 20 times a day and couldn't gradually wean. When

starting the diet I had to kind of abruptly wean him, which he

handled surprisingly well and his diarrhea dramatically ceased. If

your child nurses compulsively and you have the sense you are just a

casein-provider (my son didn't even look at me or relax, just " give

me the milk! " ) you might consider breastmilk a source, if you can't

isolate anything in your diet your child might be having trouble with.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-07-31 23:11:44 EDT, you write:

<< Hopefully not a stupid question... Is casien in Breastmilk? >>

I went round and round with this question and never got a satisfactory

answer. First, yes, casein is in breastmilk. However, the casein is different

than that of cow or goat milk. My question was if breastmilk casein could

cause the high casomorphin level (over 200) in my son. Both he and I had been

casein free for a year. My doctor said he thought breastmilk casein could

cause such a high level. A representative from Great Plains lab told me that

only cow's milk casomorphin was tested for. If the latter is true, then how

did my son get such a high reading? I've been told that perhaps corn or soy

could cause the high reading. He was on digestive enzymes until a few days

before the test, but not the types of digestive enzymes suspected of causing

high readings. And he'd also been soy free for several months pre-testing (as

had I). We've retested and are waiting for results. I'm wondering how

accurate the urinary peptide test given by Great Plains actually is.

Debbie

[Guest guest]

At 04:50 AM 8/3/01 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi, I had some questions about this and got an

>interesting explanation from a GI guy. He said that

>brest milk is unpasturized and therfore contains

>ingredients to help in the breakdown. He said that

>theoretically my daughter would not react to

>unpasturized cows milk.

I can't comment on your gastroenterologist although I wonder what others

more knowledgeable will have to say. On pasteurization though I think you

ought to be careful.

Pasteurizing milk means heating it up enough and long enough to kill all

bacteria. Without this the whole act of ingesting cows milk becomes much

more risky.

Marty

Gluten & Casein Free Recipes and Resources

Contributed by Families on the GF/CF Diet

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[Guest guest]

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Tricia Cuce

writes:

> Hi, I had some questions about this and got an

> interesting explanation from a GI guy. He said that

> brest milk is unpasturized and therfore contains

> ingredients to help in the breakdown. He said that

> theoretically my daughter would not react to

> unpasturized cows milk. Hummmmmm??????

I do remember reading something about pasturization (of cow's milk) being

the main problem, a while back. Anyone want to repost it?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/3/01 4:58:04 PM Central Daylight Time,

Ci1@... writes:

>

Cara,

Thanks so much for the info from Dr. Houston. Is he a doctor familiar with

and supportive of GFCF diets? Do you have a number or e-mail for him so I

could contact him? It's just boggles my mind that breastfeeding could be

wrong for my son. Certainly by American standards, my son is old enough to be

weaned and the only benefit he gets from breastfeeding at his age is probably

psychological. But to think that breastfeeding is providing him with

something harmful is so hard for me to fathom. But perhaps, if he does have

problems with casein and casomorphin, this explains why he's so adamantly

against weaning. He knows what makes him feel good, though it may not be best

for him. So much to consider!

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

I had a discussion with Dr. Devin Houston, Ph.D. regarding breast milk

and what he found (concerning structural similarities between cow and

human milk) is that there are very few differences, most are minor. If

human milk and cow milk are structurally similar then human milk could turn

into casomorphin in a child who benefits from the GFCF diet. If you're

breastfeeding than you may have the reason why you have high levels of

casomorphin in the Great Plains test. I would never discourage a mom from

breastfeeding, since it

has so many other benefits, but casein is present in mother's milk. Of

course I'm not a scientists, just a mom, but that is my understanding.

Cara

> I went round and round with this question and never got a satisfactory

> answer. First, yes, casein is in breastmilk. However, the casein is

different

> than that of cow or goat milk. My question was if breastmilk casein could

> cause the high casomorphin level (over 200) in my son. Both he and I had

been

> casein free for a year. My doctor said he thought breastmilk casein could

> cause such a high level. A representative from Great Plains lab told me

that

> only cow's milk casomorphin was tested for. If the latter is true, then

how

> did my son get such a high reading?

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Dr. Houston is very familiar with the GFCF diet. He is one of the creators

of

Serenaid and now heads his own company selling Peptizyde (an improved

enzyme.)

He is very involved with the enzymesandautism list and is very accessible

through this listserve. You can also contact him through his website at

www.houstonni.com .

Cara

> Thanks so much for the info from Dr. Houston. Is he a doctor familiar with

> and supportive of GFCF diets? Do you have a number or e-mail for him so I

> could contact him?