Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 AJ, I hope that OSU will do the write thing, but If they do it will probably be for the wrong reasons. I can smell there defense from down here in San Diego. Step 1: They will try to smear Dr. Welker's reputation. They will paint him as someone with an ax to grind and claim he is lying (though his surgical assistant should lend some credence to what he says). I hope that Joy has a copy of the surgical notes. I would not be surprised to see them myseriously disappear or be altered to note a common channel length of 100cm. Step 2: If the smearing campagin fails they will settle for an undisclosed amount while denying any fault. The agreement will require the court records be sealed and nobody in the case will be allowed to discuss it further. This is a favorite stratagy of the terminally greedy. Pay off some hush money so that it doesn't become a publicity problem. Other tactics they will use will be like our insurance companies: delay, delay, and when they have run out of excuses, delay some more anyway. So in the end Joy should get some compensation, but it won't make up for it. She can insist on going to court and try to get a big judgement, but the odds are wide open on this one, and the time and trouble involved is great. Oh, the surgeon wont pay a penny of course. Probably the hospital will not either. So guess who ends up paying ... you guesed it - an insurance company. Hull > In a message dated 8/29/2001 11:09:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > jhensel@c... writes: > > > > I hope he's paying for the mistake to be fixed>>> > > > > sounds like a good reason for a lawsuit? > > > > I wonder what happens in situations like this. I mean...Joy went in with the > knowledge of exactly what she wanted. She had conferred with Dr. Welker, knew > her goals and the things the surgery does and does not do. She allowed the > surgery with the idea that her wishes would be carried out and now she's > recovering again, with added costs, traveling, and just the pain and agony > these last months by not understanding why she wasn't losing...probably > feeling like a failure...only to find out...her common channel was over 2 x's > the requested and normal length. I would think the hospital/surgeon should > be picking up the tab...The horrible part is no one can really make this up > to her... I hope they do the right thing...it would be nice. > > ~*~ AJ ~*~ > Age 37 5'8'' > Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS > self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain > 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1 > 08/06/01 BMI 59 390.2 -24.9 lbs! > 08/16/01 BMI 58 387.0 -27.9 lbs! > 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 I think he'll be happier with the DS...>>>>>>>>>>> absolutly! while he is there he can get the best of both worlds and inquire about both procedures. I I know Welker does both and Flanagan does only the RNY Judie Re: Re: Fw: Joy Frost > In a message dated 8/29/2001 11:07:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > jhensel@... writes: > > > > If Welker had > > done it, none of this would have happened. > > > > That is sooo true! I just told my friends adult son about Dr. Welker being > in Eugene. He was going there anyway to look into an RNY and I > said...hey..you really should research both...LOL Ok so I'm prejudice but > from the things he was saying, I think he'll be happier with the DS... > > ~*~ AJ ~*~ > Age 37 5'8'' > Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS > self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain > 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1 > 08/06/01 BMI 59 390.2 -24.9 lbs! > 08/16/01 BMI 58 387.0 -27.9 lbs! > 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 Yeah, but if I know hospital politics, in Joy's quest to " punish " Deviny (what ever his name is) they will make it hell for Dr. Welker. Those jerks don't care about the truth--only thier mutual admiration society!! Pammi Re: Re: Fw: Joy Frost In a message dated 8/29/2001 11:09:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jhensel@... writes: > I hope he's paying for the mistake to be fixed>>> > > sounds like a good reason for a lawsuit? > I wonder what happens in situations like this. I mean...Joy went in with the knowledge of exactly what she wanted. She had conferred with Dr. Welker, knew her goals and the things the surgery does and does not do. She allowed the surgery with the idea that her wishes would be carried out and now she's recovering again, with added costs, traveling, and just the pain and agony these last months by not understanding why she wasn't losing...probably feeling like a failure...only to find out...her common channel was over 2 x's the requested and normal length. I would think the hospital/surgeon should be picking up the tab...The horrible part is no one can really make this up to her... I hope they do the right thing...it would be nice. ~*~ AJ ~*~ Age 37 5'8'' Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1 08/06/01 BMI 59 390.2 -24.9 lbs! 08/16/01 BMI 58 387.0 -27.9 lbs! 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 Sherry, I wonder about the legality of that declaration even if it was in the informed consent document. Slipping another suregon in without informing you seems to fly in the face of the whole notion of " informed consent " . I will sure read my consent form more carefully now. While I probably would be OK with Dr. Crooks subbing for Dr. Anthone, I feel like I would have a right to be informed. Did this form also have something about removing random organs like the heart, brain, kidney or anything else they felt like harvesting (LOL)! Kind of brings a new concept to the idea of organ donation! Hull > > > AJ, > > > Daveney is not a bariatric surgeon and doesnt like doing them but > > does what > > > he is told by higer ups.....(Im guessing) Maybe he didnt know > what > > he was > > > doing! Remember, Welker was to have done that surgery for Joy > but > > at the > > > last minute they pulled him off and put Daveney in charge! If > > Welker had > > > done it, none of this would have happened. > > > > > > Judie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 I guess we better read carefully before we sign. Even with that it does not seem that they should be able to give you a general surgeon when you are expecting a bariatric surgeon. Sherry, I just went to your website for the first time. You are doing great. I hope I can joing you soon. Shirley -- In duodenalswitch@y..., " Sherry " <shelters@f...> wrote: > Shirley- > > That is exactly what they did to me. I chose Dr. Welker as my > surgeon, saw him the day of surgery, and found out weeks later > that Dr. Welker did not do any part of my surgery, but that Dr. > Deveney (clifford) did my surgery. > > According to Dr. Welker, there is something on the informed consent > saying that Dr. Welker OR SOMEONE HE DESIGNATES will be doing the > surgery. I guess that is why they can do that. > > -Sherry (Lake Marcel, WA) > BPD/DS Feb. 2, 2001 > self-pay > 5'5 " / 304 pounds / 34 years old > Lost 9 pounds in pre-op weight loss efforts > Have lost 107 pounds since surgery! > Total of 116 pounds gone forEVER! > http://www.fluffynet.com/wls/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 , According to Joe himself as posted on the OSSG Welker list, it was 225 common channel..... Judie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 I too have been wondering about this. I had Dr.Ganger as a surgeon. However Dr.Quinn was there as an assistant. She has been very involved in my aftercare and extremely interested in my progress. Ever since I saw her there has been a question in the back of mind as to whether she performed part of my surgery. I am not complaining I am just extremely curious as to may have held a scalpel over my body while I was out. I signed so many things the day of the surgery and I was so nervous that I couldn't have read half of them. But there has to be a point when an assistant begins performing surgeries if they are ever going to become a partner. So there has to be a point when they start letting them perform surgeries and are assisted by more skilled surgeons. I just wonder if they tell the patients when the assistants begin performing part or all of the surgery? > > Shirley- > > > > That is exactly what they did to me. I chose Dr. Welker as my > > surgeon, saw him the day of surgery, and found out weeks later > > that Dr. Welker did not do any part of my surgery, but that Dr. > > Deveney (clifford) did my surgery. > > > > According to Dr. Welker, there is something on the informed consent > > saying that Dr. Welker OR SOMEONE HE DESIGNATES will be doing the > > surgery. I guess that is why they can do that. > > > > -Sherry (Lake Marcel, WA) > > BPD/DS Feb. 2, 2001 > > self-pay > > 5'5 " / 304 pounds / 34 years old > > Lost 9 pounds in pre-op weight loss efforts > > Have lost 107 pounds since surgery! > > Total of 116 pounds gone forEVER! > > http://www.fluffynet.com/wls/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 At 10:44 AM -0700 8/29/01, Dee wrote: >Thank you for your reply, Steve, but I think I worded >this wrong... what I meant was how long is it before >the WLS? > Dee, The small intestine is about 23 feet long. It is **all** " common channel " . That is, except for a very short stretch of duodenum (just after the stomach) until the bile ducts pour into the intestine, all of the small intestine has both food from the stomach (chyme) and bile from the bile duct. That is what is meant by " common channel. " The bile emulsifies the fat and renders it available for absorption through the intestinal walls. The DS separates first 15 or 16 feet of the small intestine from the remainder of the intestine (about 7 or 8 feet) and re-attaches it to the remainder about 100 cm (~40 inches) from the end. thus, the bile can finally combine with chyme from the stomach in the final 100 cm (or whatever the surgeon chooses), the new " common channel. " If this is not all that clear, please go to the DS web site and look for Dr. Baltasar's article. --Steve -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Unbelievable. What is it with these Dr.s. I don't get it. It is so scary. Thank GOD Joy went to someone who can measure. Ellen(Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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