RE: Need advice from fellow gym jocks

[Guest guest]

Hey Steve,

As an ACE certified personal trainer (got it this year! *happy bounce*),

let me say that an hour of weight training is a lot for anyone, even

seasoned bodybuilders.

How many days a week do you lift? How many days a week do you do

cardio?

One of the number one indicators of " overtraining " is tiredness, lack of

energy during the rest of your day... all the stuff you describe.

What's going on during your workout though is different...

Also, Protein is great fuel, BUT, for extended exercise, your body

really does need some form of carbohydrate to draw from. I know if I

consume half of a Power Bar " Pure Protein " bar about a half hour before

I work out (high carb, high whey protein), I can work out longer and

feel more energized after.

This is a tricky thing for us WLS'rs though... sugars, dumping etc. I

wish there were more sports nutrition information for bariatric patients

and I plan on pursuing this... For me, the combo of fiber, protein with

the sugar allows my blood sugar to stay stable during the exercise

period and I don't become hypoglycemic after, but that's just me!

Anyway...

I'd check things out with a doc asap if I were you... maybe think about

checking blood pressure during weightlifting? Older bodies do things

differently (though yer still a whippersnapper) and who knows, maybe

your pressure drops while you are exercising, causing the faintness? I

don't know, I'm not a doctor and am not allowed to speculate according

to my certification), so... again, see yours asap if this continues.

Ack, I have to stop.. as a newly certified person, I have tons of info

crammed in my head and it just starts leaking out endlessly Hope

this helps!

Take it easy,

Need advice from fellow gym jocks

A bit of advice, please, folks:

I have been pushing myself in the gym, increasing the weights on the

various machines as soon as I can lift the current weight. My

numbers are not fantastic, but most of them are markedly improved

over my beginning amounts. I have noticed that after about an hour

of weight training followed by 30 min on an exercise bike, I am

pretty tuckered out for the remainder of the day and can benefit from

a nap in the afternoon.

Yesterday, I felt a bit strange, sort of faint, like things were

about to give out, especially during upper body exercises (I do much

better with quads, back, and other leg exercises). But, I did all my

machines and almost all my reps (eight machines, two sets of twelve

reps on each--I could only pull eight reps in my second set on the

rowing machine). I could only do about 20 minutes on the bicycle,

though, and had to stop early. The gym was not excessively warm or

humid, but I consumed two bottles of protein mix during my

exercising, as opposed to the one that I usually save for the bike

(which I do after the weight training). And, I drank a lot of liquid

when I got home.

Then, after lunch, all I could seem to do was doze off, first in my

recliner, and later, in bed. I was totally zonked. My blood

pressure and pulse were OK. And, I am OK today, but I wonder if I

may be pushing myself too much. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Steve (age 63)

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[Guest guest]

At 12:15 PM -0700 7/30/03, apoplexy wrote:

>Hey Steve,

Hiya, . Brief answers as it is past my bedtime.

>

>As an ACE certified personal trainer (got it this year! *happy bounce*),

>let me say that an hour of weight training is a lot for anyone, even

>seasoned bodybuilders.

Yeah, I'm beginning to thin it is too much for me, even when I can

finish it in 45 minutes.

>

>How many days a week do you lift? How many days a week do you do

>cardio?

Eight stations on Cybex machines. I cannot remember the precise

names--Ahh, I just found that I could copy them from my account on

www.fitlinxx.com:

1. Cybex VR2 Leg Press : 250 lb

2. Cybex VR2 Seated Leg Cur : 75 lb

3 Cybex VR2 Leg Extension : 70 lb

4. Cybex VR2 Lat Pulldown : 120 lb

5. Cybex VR2 Row/Rear Delt (Dual Axis) Seated Row: 115 lb.

6. Cybex VR2 Lateral Raise: 45 lb.

7. Cybex VR2 Back Extension: 165 lb.

8. Cybex VR2 Chest Press: 55 lb.

Followed by some mat stretching and then 20-30 minutes of cardio on a

recumbent bike.

I do the weight training on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

On Saturdays, I take Tai Chi lessons, and I have been attending two

classes in a row, for two hours of instruction (Tai Chi II and III).

I just got the Winsor Pilates DVD's, but have not done much with them

other than to try to see if I could do some of the exercises on them

(some yes, some no).

>One of the number one indicators of " overtraining " is tiredness, lack of

>energy during the rest of your day... all the stuff you describe.

>What's going on during your workout though is different...

>

>Also, Protein is great fuel, BUT, for extended exercise, your body

>really does need some form of carbohydrate to draw from. I know if I

>consume half of a Power Bar " Pure Protein " bar about a half hour before

>I work out (high carb, high whey protein), I can work out longer and

>feel more energized after.

hmmm, I usually have breakfast just before I leave for the gym.

Starts with a whole milk based protein shake and then eggs, breakfast

meat and bread of some sort.

>

>This is a tricky thing for us WLS'rs though... sugars, dumping etc. I

I had the DS, so I do not dump. Also, I can eat more than an RnYer

(at least one with an intact pouch).

>wish there were more sports nutrition information for bariatric patients

>and I plan on pursuing this... For me, the combo of fiber, protein with

>the sugar allows my blood sugar to stay stable during the exercise

>period and I don't become hypoglycemic after, but that's just me!

I usually do ont protein drink fix during exersice, usually when I am

on the bike, and then a piece of fruit for carbs afterward.

>

>Anyway...

>

>I'd check things out with a doc asap if I were you... maybe think about

>checking blood pressure during weightlifting? Older bodies do things

>differently (though yer still a whippersnapper)

at 63?

>and who knows, maybe

>your pressure drops while you are exercising, causing the faintness? I

>don't know, I'm not a doctor and am not allowed to speculate according

>to my certification), so... again, see yours asap if this continues.

Good idea. I will just do one set of everything tomorrow and see how

I feel afterwards.

Thanks again for your concern, ,

Steve

[Guest guest]

I agree Dave. I think it's much better to toss in a little carb

along with the protei before working out. Working out takes tons of

energy. If I don't eat a banana with a protein shake, or sprinle

some Grape nuts into my yogurt, I just don't have the steam as with

simple protein.

I have a similar routine. Walt the dogs for an hour, but they are

Bassets and stop at everything to sniff. I only get in close to 2

miles. Then 30-45 minutes in Carido, followed by 8-10 machines 3x10

reps or free weights. I always do a couple of stretches along my

shoulders, back, and stomach before I start so I won't freeze up

afterwards.

A nap sounds great after that, but then the kids get home and the

taxi service has to go to work.

Vicki A.

> Steve,

>

> I ain't a doctor. But some days in the gym are just better than

others.

> It's very important for you to have some carbohydrates within the

hour

> before you start training. I used to slosh back some orange juice

since it

> was easy, but my new trainer suggested a protein bar or drink with

some

> carbs in it. Also, within the hour after you work out, you need a

good mix

> of protein and carbs. We tear downs the muscles, deplete the sugar

stored

> in them, and if we don't replace it, the muscles eat themselves

which isn't

> the desired effect.

>

> Also, I find leg day much more difficult than anything else.

>

> And I am ALWAYS much hungrier on training days than non-training

days.

>

> Just my $.02

> in Austin

> RNY April 1998

>

> Need advice from fellow gym jocks

>

>

> > A bit of advice, please, folks:

> >

> >

> > Yesterday, I felt a bit strange, sort of faint, like things were

> > about to give out, especially during upper body exercises (I do

much

> > better with quads, back, and other leg exercises).

>

> >

> > Then, after lunch, all I could seem to do was doze off, first in

my

> > recliner, and later, in bed. I was totally zonked. My blood

> > pressure and pulse were OK. And, I am OK today, but I wonder if I

> > may be pushing myself too much. Any ideas?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Steve (age 63)

> >

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