Re: Can die-off start the first day?

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Hi there,

I am new to SCD and to this site so not sure if I'm doing this correctly. But

wanted to respond as I was here searching for others who have felt rotten right

from the start gate of the diet.

After being off work for the past 2 years working with doctors trying to figure

out what's wrong with me, I stumbled upon " intestinal dysbiosis " in reading the

book " Adrenal Fatigue " , which I have suffered from for years. I didn't know what

this " intestinal dysbiosis " was and researched it on the internet. Even the

" natural " doctors never pinpointed it. I found that I had an overwhelming number

of symptoms that totally fit the picture, and during my search I read about

BTVC. I do not have Crohn's or UC or been diagnosed with any full blown disease

but my symptoms are enough to have knocked me out of the workforce...and they

have been building for years and years. I look back and see signs of impaired

digestion and constipation back into childhood. My appendix came out when I was

18, my gallbladder came out in 2008 at the age of 48. I'm done with removing

organs and I want to get at the underlying cause!

I have a constantly distended belly that makes me look pregnant, severe fatigue,

liver pain, abdominal pain and upset, many food allergies, and a chronic 24/7

headache which I've had for 23 years. The site talks so much about diarrhea. I

have none but would be constantly constipated were it not for the CleanseMore

capsules I take. Just staying away from my allergic list didn't help. In

January this year I read about eliminating grains and sugar for dysbiosis. I did

this and within only a couple of weeks I started feeling a change in my abdomen.

Then I decided to " do it right " , ordered the book, starting checking the

Legal/Illegal list on the website, and 2 days ago I started the intro diet. I

have felt absolutely terrible. The first day some nausea, severe bloat, stomach

ache, extreme fatigue and headache. I barely moved off the sofa all day. More of

the same yesterday, day 2. Today I will be introducing other foods. I was

encouraged to read your message this morning. It must be the die-off and I will

continue on this and wait for things to improve. If anybody out there has a

similar experience, I'd love to hear from you!

Ciao! Darlene

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> Josie,

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> I doubt it is die-off so soon, but it could be her immune system trying to

recuperate from the 6MP. Were the eggs fried? She might be sensitive to

protein/fats if her diet before had a lot of starches and carbs. The body will

adjust to whatever food source it is mainly getting, so if she is going from

higher starches/carbs to more dense food that is higher in protein and fats,

there will be a shift in her metabolism of these foods and it might cause the

fatigue and nauseousness. I know I did the Atkins diet (more extreme than SCD,

but causes a similar shift in the metabolism). I experienced slight nausea and

fatigue for the first 3-5 days. If you do get die-off symptoms, they usually

set in about day 3. Mostly the symptoms are flu-like, but in the case of UC/CD,

if you were symptomatic when starting SCD, your die-off symptoms could be

worsening of the UC/CD symptoms--like more frequency or more constipation,

cramping, wind, etc. Take life easy

> for a few days, take Epsom Salt baths (2 cups in a warm bath up to your

navel) soaking about 10-15 minutes. It will help the body get rid of the toxins

and to normalize itself (http://www.epsomsaltcouncil.org/health_benefits.htm).

Things usually improve by about day 10 or so if you are experiencing severe

die-off.

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> Hang tough! The healing process isn't linear. You will likely take a step

forward and two back sometimes, but it is important to hang in there and look

for little signs of improvement, not necessarily big signs. The body became ill

slowly and it will become healthy slowly too.

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> Amelia

> Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

> LDN 3 mg

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> To: BTVC-SCD

> Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 10:43:01 PM

> Subject: Can die-off start the first day?

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> Hi. My 12y/od CD and I (no condition, just doing SCD for support) just

started the diet this morning with eggs and gelatin which went down fine. At

about 3 pm we ate the chicken soup and 30 min. later a bite of the DCCC

cheesecake with a tsp of yogurt. She told me she felt nauseous after eating

both the soup and dccc/yog. Could this be die-off already? I wouldn't expect

her to be nauseous from the organic chicken soup with carrot puree). I, too

feel a little queasy and a slight stomach ache, but she went right to bed for a

nap. I think she is worried she is starting to feel like she used to when she

was first diagnosed. (She hasn't had any major symptoms for months - no C,D, or

tummy aches, but once in a while she does get nauseous).

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> I should also mention that she stopped taking her meds (38 mg 6 mp) earlier

this week (per doctor's orders because her white blood cell count was way down).

He wanted her to start again at 25 mg on Friday but we held off hoping that she

could start SCD during our little " holiday " from the 6mp and hopefully never go

back. I understand it is ok to quit 6mp without dosing down - has anybody done

this and did they experience any side effects?

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> Thank you in advance for your help. I don't want this first setback to derail

us.

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> Josie, Mom to 12yd CD

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