Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Hi Earthymom, I did read the website. I am suspicious. Maybe it's because I'm getting older and crankier, or maybe I've just seen a lot <g>. When a website reads like an ad, gives you lots of marketing kind of language, promises the moon, and then wants you to buy a product without really knowing anything about the contents, I'm highly skeptical. I don't have a problem with any one making money for providing a product, but this one just smacks of a lot more about money taking then providing any new, different, or valuable information. Perhaps if the author offered a sample chapter or something else so that you had some idea of the quality of what you are purchasing, I'd temper my response some. And if there is anything those of us on the dealing with yeast journey know, there is no one- -size-fits-all-cure. In fact, what might work for us at one time doesn't another time. There are many sources, be they right or wrong, that offer advice, counsel etc about dealing with yeast. In fact, it's problematic there are so many of them and the advice is often mutually exclusive to other advice. And they are free. If you need ideas about dealing with yeast, this is a good place to come. While no one has "the answer", we all can certainly share what has or hasn't worked for us, so you have some experienced ideas to consider. Sue R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I have actually heard the allergy theory. Two of my friends that I strongly suspect have candida test positive to a yeast allergy, although I do not and my symptoms are worse than both of them. As far as the fruit thing, I have never heard any science supporting that, and it does not seem to make sense to me. I do believe yeast will become increasingly desperate, but digging deeper in the gut is where it is going to find sugars? Maybe it retreats there for protection. I should say that removing fruit from my diet (and my daughter's) does not seem to have conquered our yeast problems, although they have decreased. The resistance theory I have heard about many times, that is why it is recommended to rotate anti-fungals. > > > > Price seems high to me, so I won't buy it in order to see everything the > > author says. A lot of the information is available in other sources, though > > - or at least the bits that were included in the write-up are commonly found > > in other materials on the subject, all of which I can get for free. When I > > see something overpriced, then I become suspicious. A hardback book is > > worth $27, but a downloadable e-book should be less, in my opinion. > > > > > > > > Still, it's good to have other resources out there. > > > > > > > > Problem is that there is no easy " cure " for candida elimination. Takes a > > lot of hard work and time > > > > > > > > Kim M. > > > > SCD 6 years > > > > Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years > > > > neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > I get an email from this: > > > > <http://www.beating-cancer-gently.com/136nl.html> > > http://www.beating-cancer-gently.com/136nl.html > > > > In it he talks about this book. > > > > <http://www.yeastdoctorspeaks.com/> http://www.yeastdoctorspeaks.com/ > > > > Just curious what you think? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I agree, Sue. I was hoping for a Chapter or Table of Contents even. I also found the spelling errors to be a huge turn-off. > > Hi Earthymom, > > I did read the website. I am suspicious. Maybe it's because I'm getting older and crankier, or maybe I've just seen a lot <g>. > > When a website reads like an ad, gives you lots of marketing kind of language, promises the moon, and then wants you to buy a product without really knowing anything about the contents, I'm highly skeptical. > > I don't have a problem with any one making money for providing a product, but this one just smacks of a lot more about money taking then providing any new, different, or valuable information. > > Perhaps if the author offered a sample chapter or something else so that you had some idea of the quality of what you are purchasing, I'd temper my response some. > > And if there is anything those of us on the dealing with yeast journey know, there is no one- -size-fits-all-cure. In fact, what might work for us at one time doesn't another time. > > There are many sources, be they right or wrong, that offer advice, counsel etc about dealing with yeast. In fact, it's problematic there are so many of them and the advice is often mutually exclusive to other advice. And they are free. > > If you need ideas about dealing with yeast, this is a good place to come. While no one has " the answer " , we all can certainly share what has or hasn't worked for us, so you have some experienced ideas to consider. > > Sue R > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Holly I’ve come across both of these ideas before, and they are correct, although I would expect that the immunologist’s actual terminology was slightly different [grin]. But the gist of the issues are correct. If you take antifungals, you do need to rotate them because candida will become resistant. You don’t have to take antifungals, however; you can just reduce their food and starve them out [speaking from personal experience on this one!] You can also take the middle ground; use an antifungal once in a while, say once a month; but it still helps to use a different one each time and try not to repeat the same antifungal more than once every 3 or 4 doses. The symptoms that candida overgrowth generates are from our immune system trying to cope with the high levels of microorganisms and the toxins they release. So you can label it an allergic response. I’m not sure I would label it a true allergy, but from an immunologist’s perspective that is probably accurate – and I’m not a doctor. To my mind and understanding they seem slightly different responses. Still the gist is correct. The good thing is that once you get the levels of candida reduced, our immune systems tend to relax a bit and don’t stay ultra-sensitive to the presence of candida. Since we need a certain amount of them in our bodies, that would be difficult if our immune system attacked them constantly. I haven’t come across the idea that you should eat some fruit while dealing with a candida overgrowth because the candida will dig deep for food, but most experts state that candida will do all it can to get food, setting up cravings in us. In practical terms, however, I think most of us learn that some foods are OK in small amounts while dealing with candida, and some need to be avoided for a few weeks or months. For example, there were a lot of foods I didn’t touch while in my drastic candida elimination phase, but fruit was one I ate in small amounts as long as I stuck to the least-sweet types and only had one serving every other day. I felt I needed the vitamin C, and certainly needed the calories. Perhaps this helped the dying-off process, or perhaps it prolonged the battle to eliminate the candida overgrowth since I couldn’t touch antifungals. Still, I eventually got things back under control. So, each of us need to find the right combination of things that help us restore our gut ecology. Kim M. SCD 6 years Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This talk about candida reminded of some stuff I read on another board, and was wondering what other people thought: One person said her immunologist told her she was allergic to candida, and that treating that got rid of the symptoms of candida overgrowth. She said the symptoms that candida causes you to feel are mostly from the allergy to the yeast. The immunologist also told her to eat fruit, because avoiding it all together makes the candida dig its roots further into the gut to find sugar. A second person said the use of medications and prescription pharmaceuticals often fail because they are normally prescribed for periods longer then 20-30 days. This allows the Candida to build up a resistance to the medication, and it stops working. When this occurs, the Candida grows back stronger and able to resist the original medicine. Do you think either of these statements are accurate? Holly Crohn's SCD 12/01/08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Good memory, Ameila! Yes, it was me. As it happens, I saw my doctor today and asked if he knew the reference to this study. He said it's several years old and so he doesn't know it offhand but he gave me a couple of clues for searching. If I can find it, I'll pass it on. Just to add my two cents, I have heard from (?) that her doctor told her something similar. Her's said that the reduction in sugars from eliminating fruit actually encourages the yeast to transform into a more aggressive type (with a two prong tail?) and it is more difficult to get rid of. If this 'tail' is what sets down roots into the gut in the first place, this would make sense because we know that yeast does transform and does put 'roots' into the intestinal walls. What hasn't been stated before is WHY it transforms this way--maybe the trigger is that the dominant position is then threatened by the reduction of fruit/sugars and therefore it transforms as part of a self preservation. It is an interesting theory..... Amelia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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