Re: Ray and his handy pliers

[Guest guest]

Hi Ray,

Having had a removeable wire retainer and then going on to a fixed

wire retainer, you might want to reconsider. My teeth didn't stay put

with the removeable wire retainer, although I wore it most of the

time, more than advised by my ortho.

Now, things are firmly in place. Yes, it's more inconvenient for

flossing, but then, flossing is not my favourite activity anyway, so

it's ALWAYS an inconvenience.

Just a thought.

>

>

> > Doesn't that ring true to some of your experiences, veterans?

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Cammie

>

> OH YEAH !!! Hundred of times I think! Myself, I must have been the

> worst of all (guys are always more complaining.. haha!) And here

> I am today, 8 months later, with a splendid smile, and most

importantly,

> a fully functionning bite (pizza anyone ? YESSS!!)

>

> I thank the Heavens nothing serious happened during the surgery.

Sure,

> it was painfull after. That's particular to my case, having had a

piece of

> bone taken from my hip and grafted to my upper jaw. I was

depressed, at

> times. I was mad, sad. Then came the reality. Things looked

brighter.

>

> And brigther. Untill, a few months later, ortho removed my braces.

>

> And now, next step is when I take the pliers and remove that ?

& $#% !! wire

> he left behind my six front teeth, top and bottom. Oups, I meant

to say

> when he will be politely asked by me to kindly and promptly remove

the

> very delicate, almost non detectable wire he left upon removing my

oh so

> lovely braces...

>

> Fact is, this wire is cutting my tongue and he asked be to bother

him with

> it in March so that he would envision the possibility of putting me

on the

> night retainers. yeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!

>

> So, Cammie, that's all so true. We fear, we live, we complain, we

survive,

> we triumph! But the most important is : We grow.

>

> Usually in this order

>

> Ray

[Guest guest]

Bonjour ,

I know about the possibility of my teeth moving back. Ortho urged me

to reconsider, surgeon refused to co-operate. They're all leagued against

me.. Ortho, realizing I wasn't too happy with the first wire (top one),

decided *against* me and put the bottom one in place. He argued,

until I became tired and agreed to let him proceed. At the end, it played

against the wires. No one can make you like something you hate from

the beginning.

I, for one thing, don't want to spend the next 10 years with wires in my

mouth. That is an absolute certainty. I was never told the wires would

be that uncomfortable and would stay that long. He joked about the

wires being there a long time, a life sentence he said. I asked him if

he was serious, he said no, of course.

Flossing was surely something I was looking forward to, I used to do it

3 times a week (sometimes, once a day). Now, I can't because of that

stupid wire (top one, mostly), it obstructs my teeth. And the wire at the

bottom is hurting my tongue. It just can't stay.

Pliers, to be honnest, I would have used them, but I have no tool that

matches the size of my mouth Otherwise, those stupid wires would be

gone by now.

And there are other alternatives to a wire. Night retainers, transparent

daytime ones. My ortho never even discussed them with me.

Finally, if by removing the wires, my teeth move again, I don't feel it's

going to be a big deal. I can't bite with those wires (I'm forbidden to,

by the ortho). No apple, carrots, etc. It's just like before this whole

procedure. At least, without the wires, I will be able to eat more

normally. As for the looks, this surgery was never about costmetics.

If I end up looking like this old guy I once knew, at least, I'll recognize

myself in the mirror

Ray, leader of the WFS (Wires Free Society) :-)

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> Hi Ray,

>

> Having had a removeable wire retainer and then going on to a fixed

> wire retainer, you might want to reconsider. My teeth didn't stay put

> with the removeable wire retainer, although I wore it most of the

> time, more than advised by my ortho.

>

> Now, things are firmly in place. Yes, it's more inconvenient for

> flossing, but then, flossing is not my favourite activity anyway, so

> it's ALWAYS an inconvenience.

>

> Just a thought.

>

>