Re: yogurt questions

[Guest guest]

Well cripe. I've been doing the same thing (following Elaine's original

instructions and adding refrigerated starter to the 110 degree milk). Just know

you guys aren't the only one's making mistakes. Isn't it nice to know we can

make them together? Thanks to everyone for setting me straight!

-Joanna

SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Mara!

>

> > I'm sorry if these have been asked before, but I have a few questions with

yogurt making

> >

> > • What happens if you heat the milk up too high? I left my milk on the stove

and forgot about it until it got up to about 210 0r 220. It almost bubble over

the pot. Is it still OK to use after I let it cool down?

>

> yep.

>

>

> >

> > • Do you have to sterilize the jars you use for the yogurt?

>

> yep. dishwasher of boiling water.

>

> >

> > • I have to prop my lid open on my yogurt maker to keep the temperature

right. I tried a dimmer switch, but it was too low, even on the highest setting.

Anyways, my yogurt maker has 7 glass jars and a plastic lid that goes on top. Do

I need to be worried about my yogurt getting contaminated since the lid is

propped open?

>

> use plastic wrap to cover it.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

wait, really, we have to sterilize the yogurt container? I'm trying to make yogurt for the first time tonight, it's been in for a few hours in my brand new yogourmet. I washed out the plastic container with soap and warm water.. that's not good enough? What's gonna happen?

Thanks!

 

Thanks, Mara!

>

> > I'm sorry if these have been asked before, but I have a few questions with yogurt making

> >

> > • What happens if you heat the milk up too high? I left my milk on the stove and forgot about it until it got up to about 210 0r 220. It almost bubble over the pot. Is it still OK to use after I let it cool down?

>

> yep.

>

>

> >

> > • Do you have to sterilize the jars you use for the yogurt?

>

> yep. dishwasher of boiling water.

>

> >

> > • I have to prop my lid open on my yogurt maker to keep the temperature right. I tried a dimmer switch, but it was too low, even on the highest setting. Anyways, my yogurt maker has 7 glass jars and a plastic lid that goes on top. Do I need to be worried about my yogurt getting contaminated since the lid is propped open?

>

> use plastic wrap to cover it.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

,Just a few things to note. It is best to 'sterilize' your container and yogurt making utensils, but even air drying or towel drying something will reintroduce spores/bacteria that are in the air/on the towel (think about how sourdough bread rises -- from natural and airborne spores/bacteria). Plastic doesn't sterilize really anyway. The dishwasher does an o.k. job, but it doesn't really sterilize either. Your yogurt will be fine. I wouldn't worry about it. In the future, I would, at a minimum, pour boiling water over your yogurt making things and let them air dry while the milking is heating. Don't stress too much, the good bacteria in the yogurt should be able to keep any other bacteria in check, if not kill it, as the heat and the acid from

the yogurt makes the environment less hospitable to the bad bacteria. I would suggest, though, that if you can get a glass or stainless steel vessel for making your yogurt in it would be best as they are easier to sterilize/clean and they don't absorb bacteria like plastic will over time. Amelia.To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 12:16:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: yogurt

questions

wait, really, we have to sterilize the yogurt container? I'm trying to make yogurt for the first time tonight, it's been in for a few hours in my brand new yogourmet. I washed out the plastic container with soap and warm water.. that's not good enough? What's gonna happen?

Thanks!On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:33 AM, fossil.color <fossil.color@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks, Mara!

>

> > I'm sorry if these have been asked before, but I have a few questions with yogurt making

> >

> > • What happens if you heat the milk up too high? I left my milk on the stove and forgot about it until it got up to about 210 0r 220. It almost bubble over the pot. Is it still OK to use after I let it cool down?

>

> yep.

>

>

> >

> > • Do you have to sterilize the jars you use for the yogurt?

>

> yep. dishwasher of boiling water.

>

> >

> > • I have to prop my lid open on my yogurt maker to keep the temperature right. I tried a dimmer switch, but it was too low, even on the highest setting. Anyways, my yogurt maker has 7 glass jars and a plastic lid that goes on top. Do I need to be worried about my yogurt getting contaminated since the lid is propped open?

>

> use plastic wrap to cover it.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

wait, really, we have to sterilize the yogurt container? I'm trying to make yogurt for the first time tonight, it's been in for a few hours in my brand new yogourmet. I washed out the plastic container with soap and warm water.. that's not good enough? What's gonna happen?You should be fine, don't worry. I always used to sterilize everything before making yogurt, but the past two times I just used all clean dishes but didn't boil them first and my yogurt turned out fine =) Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

[Guest guest]

At 06:16 AM 4/24/2010, you wrote:

wait, really, we have to

sterilize the yogurt container? I'm trying to make yogurt for the first

time tonight, it's been in for a few hours in my brand new yogourmet. I

washed out the plastic container with soap and warm water.. that's not

good enough? What's gonna happen?

Nothing bad.

I scrub my Yogourmet containers out with hot water and soap, and rinse

well, then air dry (upside down), and they are fine. I do have a new,

clean sponge which is used ONLY for my yogurt containers. (Then when I

buy a new sponge, the yogurt sponge gets downgraded to regular duty and

the new sponge becomes the yogurt sponge.)

If you have a really good dishwasher, you can run it through the

dishwasher, but I don't.

Some people are paranoid about sterilizing everything. I am very careful

about contamination and cross-contamination, but I choose not to drive

myself crazy over it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Same with me. I never sterilized and my yogurt turned out perfect every time. DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 9 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 7:04:41 AMSubject: Re: Re: yogurt questions

wait, really, we have to sterilize the yogurt container? I'm trying to make yogurt for the first time tonight, it's been in for a few hours in my brand new yogourmet. I washed out the plastic container with soap and warm water.. that's not good enough? What's gonna happen?

You should be fine, don't worry. I always used to sterilize everything before making yogurt, but the past two times I just used all clean dishes but didn't boil them first and my yogurt turned out fine =)

Peace =)

Alyssa 16 yo

UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

[Guest guest]

Same with me. I never sterilized and my yogurt turned out perfect every time.Yeah. It wouldn't effect anything you could see visually, sinceyou can't actually see strains of bacteria crawling around unless you have nano-vision. If you use a sponge on your container that you've used for other things, for example, which happens to have a strange bacteria or yeast on it, if that gets into the yogurt, you won't see it,but the intestinal effects may be other than what you would want. I'm certainly not advocating going crazy - I just use things cleanedin a dishwasher (or sometimes rinsed with boiled water) andclean cloths/towels, etc - just some attention to detail. I think Marilyn'sidea of a separate sponge for yogurt is good if everything is hand-washed. Mara

[Guest guest]

Since we're talking about it, I've been wanting to ask but haven't, I'm going nuts with something. with my physical problems I've had real, real, real bad chemical sensitivity for years, and for years now too I've had sensitivity where I can sense bacteria. People like to blame OCD, but that's not it. Dirt doesn't bother me, but I can tell if something has an unusually large amount of bacteria on it, and various concentrations there of. I'm blaming dysbiosis, and a really really overtaxed immune system. When my stomach was at it's worst, if I dropped food or a pill on the floor, then tried to take it, my body would not let me swallow it, no matter how I tried. It was like saying: nope, no more extra bad bacteria, I've got more than I can handle.That's actually how I was able to begin to start identifying a name for my illness: my body just wouldn't let me swallow wheat anymore, no matter how hard I tried. Finally I was like, ok.. must be allergic to wheat now I guess. Got into alternative grains. Then, soon, couldn't swallow them.. found myself at the doctor's asking questions about celiac. months later, much, much, much sicker, realized that gluten free did not work, and that what was going on was much much more serious.

but this is my question: I, in bad situation, hugged this guy who turned out to have major yeast/fungus problems. i knew he was dirty, I was like, ok, I'll just wash up later. but normal washing didn't shake it. Once, years ago, I got yeast/fungus on a shirt. Could not, with my chemical sensitivity detergent, get it clean. had to throw it away. Having same problems. Have contained it best I can, but can't get the crap cleaned off the edge of my sink and stove, even with rubbing alcohol, although it is in much lower concentrations now. it's annoying enough feeling it, but sometimes  when bacteria or yeast is on my skin bad enough, it makes it really, really hard to sleep. Which is terrifying, not being able to sleep. I'm trying to tell myself if I get the dysbiosis down and my immune system healthy enough, this shouldn't be a problem anymore. I can almost believe that with the bacteria, although I harbor fears that once you become this sensitive, you may always be sensitive. But I'm very afraid of this yeast/fungus. Should I be? Are we always surrounded by plenty of bad yeasts/fungus and it's ok if you can get healthy, or is this sort of acute problem something that will always be a problem? like a bad foot fungus or something that takes major medication to go away.. I liken it in my head, unfortunately, to when I brought the old high school issued french horn home to clean in my bathroom. It had pink crap growing a little bit around some of the slides. I showed my teacher. She said yeah, her's grew green. Soon, however, the pink crap had colonized around the drain in my old sink, then spread to the shower. From then on, joining the traces of mildew we couldn't scrub out of the bathroom, was pink stuff growing. hopelessly, permanently, contaminated. I can handle pink stuff and green stuff growing in my musical instruments and around the tile in my shower. If I've got some sort of hazardous yeast hanging around my apartment, that when I'm this sick drives my skin nuts when I touch it, I'm scared.

Thanks for being someone I can talk to about this. I am a very sensitive person in very, very many ways as a result of what I have been through. I find people who have similar or stronger sensitivities sometimes and they understand and believe me, but they never have answers to stuff like this.

I've finished heating my first batch of yogurt and it's in the fridge. You have no idea how much I hope it helps. When I first tried the acidophlious supplements a few weeks ago, the first time I took a 1.5 bil dose (half a capsule), I have never, ever felt better in my life. My whole body felt so much better!! I would never, ever have guessed or anticipated that that would or could happen.

Thanks again, and best to all

 

  

Same with me. I never sterilized and my yogurt turned out perfect every time.

Yeah.  It wouldn't effect anything you could see visually, sinceyou can't actually see strains of bacteria crawling around unless you have nano-vision.  

If you use a sponge on your container that you've used for other things, for example, which happens to have a strange bacteria or yeast on it, if that gets into the yogurt, you won't see it,

but the intestinal effects may be other than what you would want. I'm certainly not advocating going crazy - I just use things cleanedin a dishwasher (or sometimes rinsed with boiled water) and

clean cloths/towels, etc - just some attention to detail.  I think Marilyn'sidea of a separate sponge for yogurt is good if everything is hand-washed.  Mara

[Guest guest]

I hope your first batch of yogurt turns out wonderful and it nurtures your body in every way possible - leading to great health and healing. I don't have any answers or advice to offer because I haven't personally eperienced the level of chemical/bacterial/fungal sensivities that you have. But, on the other hand, I can strongly empathize with your situation based on the experiences of two people I know. (I'll try to be breif... but all too often I lean to the opposite extreme...sorry)

Back in the 80's I watched a friend of mine develop extreme chemical sensitivites over the years. With my "cast iron stomach" and strong immune system I initially thought she was going way overboard with her pickiness, attention to detail, and extreme caution. It didn't take long for me to realize that my initial judgement was way off base. As I got to know her better and spent more time around her, I could clearly see the devastating effect simple things in life could have on her physically. A simple perfume, bounce sheet residue on my clothing, or a mysterious spice added to her dinner when eating out could send her body into a tailspin reaction for days or weeks. I personally saw the cause and effect and how these seemingly innocent exposures could wreck havoc on her system. I lost touch with her a few years after she moved across country, but the last time we

spoke her sensitivites had become so severe that she was having to wear a gas mask if she left the house just to stay functional. Eating out wasn't possible any longer and she spent most of her time secluded in her home which she took great pains to maintain as a "safe" environment.

My son is a similar and yet very different example. Although I wouldn't consider him OCD, he's always been very germ conscious and very careful about hand-washing (before meals and after any "dirty activities"). Even at an early age he would never in a million years take a pill that had been dropped on the floor or eat any item that looked, smelled or even seemed questionable in any way because of the bacteria or germ issues. In retrospect, I've often thought that on some level he knew that his immune system couldn't handle these items. At 15 my son was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia which is basically cancer of the white blood cells (i.e. cancer of the immune system). Because chemotherapy leads to a compromised immune system, St. Jude had him on a low bacteria diet for the first 6-9 months of treatment and eating out, being around crowds, dust, construction sites, or a million other seemingly

innocent things suddenly took on life or death consequences because of the potential exposure to bacteria/germs/virus/fungi. Even now, years after the extreme precautions have been dropped, I still honor my son's drive to take extra precautions. He will never refill a water bottle, drink from a beverage that's been sitting out for an hour, eat leftovers without questioning their age & reheating methods, or eat any food that touched the counters or sink. He's not obnoxious about it. He simply feels a strong inner drive to take lots of simple extra precautions and the strength of his convictions demand that I honor his inner guidance of what his system can and cannot handle.

We've been in the "cancer subculture" for the last 3 years and I've seen many of these beautiful and couragous children die because of mysterious bacteria or fungi that their bodies couldn't fight off. There's so many different types of fungus in our environment, it's amazing. Even when the doctors narrow it down to being a fungal issue in an immuno-compromised patient, they often are not able to determine specifically which fungus or the best way to treat it because there's too many thousands to test for.

All of that is a long-winded way to say, I personally honor your path. I empathize with the difficulties you're experiencing on a routine basis and the extra precautions you're having to take because of your body's sensitiviteis. Hang in there, keep researching, sharing, healing, and honoring your gut instinct of what's right for you. Your story confronts each and every one of us with the uncomfortable truth that life is fragile. We all want to believe that life is fair, predictable and certain but it's not necessarily so. Sometimes the reality of life confronts our personal belief systems and folks tend to shut out or ignore the truths that don't fit into their perception of reality. That often leads to the outliers feeling isolated, ostracized and different. I hope you continue to find supportive, accepting people that will truly listen to your experiences and

support you on the road to healing. I, personally, believe that SCD is a huge step in the right direction and can help heal your body in many wonderful ways.

Hugs

mom to , 18 cancer survivor, scd since 12/26

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 2:17:02 AMSubject: Re: Re: yogurt questions

Since we're talking about it, I've been wanting to ask but haven't, I'm going nuts with something. with my physical problems I've had real, real, real bad chemical sensitivity for years, and for years now too I've had sensitivity where I can sense bacteria. People like to blame OCD, but that's not it. Dirt doesn't bother me, but I can tell if something has an unusually large amount of bacteria on it, and various concentrations there of. I'm blaming dysbiosis, and a really really overtaxed immune system. When my stomach was at it's worst, if I dropped food or a pill on the floor, then tried to take it, my body would not let me swallow it, no matter how I tried. It was like saying: nope, no more extra bad bacteria, I've got more than I can handle.That's actually how I was able to begin to start identifying a name for my illness: my body just wouldn't let me swallow wheat anymore, no matter how hard I tried. Finally I was like, ok.. must be allergic to

wheat now I guess. Got into alternative grains. Then, soon, couldn't swallow them.. found myself at the doctor's asking questions about celiac. months later, much, much, much sicker, realized that gluten free did not work, and that what was going on was much much more serious.but this is my question: I, in bad situation, hugged this guy who turned out to have major yeast/fungus problems. i knew he was dirty, I was like, ok, I'll just wash up later. but normal washing didn't shake it. Once, years ago, I got yeast/fungus on a shirt. Could not, with my chemical sensitivity detergent, get it clean. had to throw it away. Having same problems. Have contained it best I can, but can't get the crap cleaned off the edge of my sink and stove, even with rubbing alcohol, although it is in much lower concentrations now. it's annoying enough feeling it, but sometimes when bacteria or yeast is on my skin bad enough, it makes it really, really hard to

sleep. Which is terrifying, not being able to sleep. I'm trying to tell myself if I get the dysbiosis down and my immune system healthy enough, this shouldn't be a problem anymore. I can almost believe that with the bacteria, although I harbor fears that once you become this sensitive, you may always be sensitive. But I'm very afraid of this yeast/fungus. Should I be? Are we always surrounded by plenty of bad yeasts/fungus and it's ok if you can get healthy, or is this sort of acute problem something that will always be a problem? like a bad foot fungus or something that takes major medication to go away.. I liken it in my head, unfortunately, to when I brought the old high school issued french horn home to clean in my bathroom. It had pink crap growing a little bit around some of the slides. I showed my teacher. She said yeah, her's grew green. Soon, however, the pink crap had colonized around the drain in my old sink, then spread to the shower. From

then on, joining the traces of mildew we couldn't scrub out of the bathroom, was pink stuff growing. hopelessly, permanently, contaminated. I can handle pink stuff and green stuff growing in my musical instruments and around the tile in my shower. If I've got some sort of hazardous yeast hanging around my apartment, that when I'm this sick drives my skin nuts when I touch it, I'm scared.Thanks for being someone I can talk to about this. I am a very sensitive person in very, very many ways as a result of what I have been through. I find people who have similar or stronger sensitivities sometimes and they understand and believe me, but they never have answers to stuff like this.I've finished heating my first batch of yogurt and it's in the fridge. You have no idea how much I hope it helps. When I first tried the acidophlious supplements a few weeks ago, the first time I took a 1.5 bil dose (half a capsule), I have never, ever felt better

in my life. My whole body felt so much better!! I would never, ever have guessed or anticipated that that would or could happen.Thanks again, and best to all

[Guest guest]

I think after you've been so ill, you are more aware of what makes you ill so you are more cautious.

 

I have something I call spells (grin).  It can be a weird site (a possom sitting on the patio fence), someone saying something gross, weird strong smells, noticing someone hasn't washed their hands, etc.  Sometimes I definitely know it's something I've eaten and it's a kind of different feeling.  It's just physical.  It all affects me physically to the point of having to lay or sit down.  I have found two Pentasa's seem to kick it if I can take it right away.  If I can't, then I seem to have a lot longer down time.  This is also eating someone elses food (but that has to be with grease and how it's cooked too).  I'm not sure what you'd call it.  I do know it can be bad enough to put me in bed for the day (used to be a lot lot longer) but it's not a migraine and it's not anything diagnosed.  It's like I can feel the blood draining from my face and it's a very very weak feeling in my stomach and gut.  There's not a thing I can do about it.  Pre-CD, I had a couple of times I remember where I reacted that way but it was something major like watching someone dive into a lake and busting their head right in front of me or something like that. 

 

I wish it had a name besides a spell ;-).  I hope the diet and yogurt helps--it will I think.  Just start slowly so the die-off isn't so bad and I'm betting pretty soon you'll want to drink it warm straight out of the yogurt maker.  I did that or drank some of it like that just for a jump start for a long time.  The smell alone is comforting.  I could relate to everything you wrote.  I'm just sharing a similar experience.  Hopefully it'll get better soon.  It's really hard explaining (maybe just don't) to other family members (males especially maybe *ha ha*) and just do what you have to in order to feel better.

 

Debbie 41 cd

 

I hope your first batch of yogurt turns out wonderful and it nurtures your body in every way possible - leading to great health and healing.   I don't have any answers or advice to offer because I haven't personally eperienced the level of chemical/bacterial/fungal sensivities that you have.  But, on the other hand, I can strongly empathize with your situation based on the experiences of two people I know.  (I'll try to be breif... but all too often I lean to the opposite extreme...sorry)

 

Back in the 80's I watched a friend of mine develop extreme chemical sensitivites over the years.   With my " cast iron stomach " and strong immune system I initially thought she was going way overboard with her pickiness, attention to detail, and extreme caution.  It didn't take long for me to realize that my initial judgement was way off base.  As I got to know her better and spent more time around her, I could clearly see the devastating effect simple things in life could have on her physically.   A simple perfume, bounce sheet residue on my clothing, or a mysterious spice added to her dinner when eating out could send her body into a tailspin reaction for days or weeks.  I personally saw the cause and effect and how these seemingly innocent exposures could wreck havoc on her system.  I lost touch with her a few years after she moved across country, but the last time we spoke her sensitivites had become so severe that she was having to wear a gas mask if she left the house just to stay functional.   Eating out wasn't possible any longer and she spent most of her time secluded in her home which she took great pains to maintain as a " safe " environment. 

 

My son is a similar and yet very different example.  Although I wouldn't consider him OCD, he's always been very germ conscious and very careful about hand-washing (before meals and after any " dirty activities " ).  Even at an early age he would never in a million years take a pill that had been dropped on the floor or eat any item that looked, smelled or even seemed questionable in any way because of the bacteria or germ issues.  In retrospect, I've often thought that on some level he knew that his immune system couldn't handle these items.  At 15 my son was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia which is basically cancer of the white blood cells (i.e. cancer of the immune system).  Because chemotherapy leads to a compromised immune system, St. Jude had him on a low bacteria diet for the first 6-9 months of treatment and eating out, being around crowds, dust, construction sites, or a million other seemingly innocent things suddenly took on life or death consequences because of the potential exposure to bacteria/germs/virus/fungi.  Even now, years after the extreme precautions have been dropped, I still honor my son's drive to take extra precautions.  He will never refill a water bottle, drink from a beverage that's been sitting out for an hour, eat leftovers without questioning their age  & reheating methods, or eat any food that touched the counters or sink.  He's not obnoxious about it.  He simply feels a strong inner drive to take lots of simple extra precautions and the strength of his convictions demand that I honor his inner guidance of what his system can and cannot handle. 

 

We've been in the " cancer subculture " for the last 3 years and I've seen many of these beautiful and couragous children die because of mysterious bacteria or fungi that their bodies couldn't fight off.  There's so many different types of fungus in our environment, it's amazing.  Even when the doctors narrow it down to being a fungal issue in an immuno-compromised patient, they often are not able to determine specifically which fungus or the best way to treat it because there's too many thousands to test for.

 

All of that is a long-winded way to say, I personally honor your path.  I empathize with the difficulties you're experiencing on a routine basis and the extra precautions you're having to take because of your body's sensitiviteis.  Hang in there, keep researching, sharing, healing, and honoring your gut instinct of what's right for you.  Your story confronts each and every one of us with the uncomfortable truth that life is fragile.  We all want to believe that life is fair, predictable and certain but it's not necessarily so.  Sometimes the reality of life confronts our personal belief systems and folks tend to shut out or ignore the truths that don't fit into their perception of reality.  That often leads to the outliers feeling isolated, ostracized and different.  I hope you continue to find supportive, accepting people that will truly listen to your experiences and support you on the road to healing.  I, personally, believe that SCD is a huge step in the right direction and can help heal your body in many wonderful ways.

 

Hugs

mom to , 18 cancer survivor, scd since 12/26

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 2:17:02 AM Subject: Re: Re: yogurt questions 

Since we're talking about it, I've been wanting to ask but haven't, I'm going nuts with something. with my physical problems I've had real, real, real bad chemical sensitivity for years, and for years now too I've had sensitivity where I can sense bacteria. People like to blame OCD, but that's not it. Dirt doesn't bother me, but I can tell if something has an unusually large amount of bacteria on it, and various concentrations there of. I'm blaming dysbiosis, and a really really overtaxed immune system. When my stomach was at it's worst, if I dropped food or a pill on the floor, then tried to take it, my body would not let me swallow it, no matter how I tried. It was like saying: nope, no more extra bad bacteria, I've got more than I can handle.That's actually how I was able to begin to start identifying a name for my illness: my body just wouldn't let me swallow wheat anymore, no matter how hard I tried. Finally I was like, ok.. must be allergic to wheat now I guess. Got into alternative grains. Then, soon, couldn't swallow them.. found myself at the doctor's asking questions about celiac. months later, much, much, much sicker, realized that gluten free did not work, and that what was going on was much much more serious. but this is my question: I, in bad situation, hugged this guy who turned out to have major yeast/fungus problems. i knew he was dirty, I was like, ok, I'll just wash up later. but normal washing didn't shake it. Once, years ago, I got yeast/fungus on a shirt. Could not, with my chemical sensitivity detergent, get it clean. had to throw it away. Having same problems. Have contained it best I can, but can't get the crap cleaned off the edge of my sink and stove, even with rubbing alcohol, although it is in much lower concentrations now. it's annoying enough feeling it, but sometimes  when bacteria or yeast is on my skin bad enough, it makes it really, really hard to sleep. Which is terrifying, not being able to sleep. I'm trying to tell myself if I get the dysbiosis down and my immune system healthy enough, this shouldn't be a problem anymore. I can almost believe that with the bacteria, although I harbor fears that once you become this sensitive, you may always be sensitive. But I'm very afraid of this yeast/fungus. Should I be? Are we always surrounded by plenty of bad yeasts/fungus and it's ok if you can get healthy, or is this sort of acute problem something that will always be a problem? like a bad foot fungus or something that takes major medication to go away.. I liken it in my head, unfortunately, to when I brought the old high school issued french horn home to clean in my bathroom. It had pink crap growing a little bit around some of the slides. I showed my teacher. She said yeah, her's grew green. Soon, however, the pink crap had colonized around the drain in my old sink, then spread to the shower. From then on, joining the traces of mildew we couldn't scrub out of the bathroom, was pink stuff growing. hopelessly, permanently, contaminated. I can handle pink stuff and green stuff growing in my musical instruments and around the tile in my shower. If I've got some sort of hazardous yeast hanging around my apartment, that when I'm this sick drives my skin nuts when I touch it, I'm scared.

Thanks for being someone I can talk to about this. I am a very sensitive person in very, very many ways as a result of what I have been through. I find people who have similar or stronger sensitivities sometimes and they understand and believe me, but they never have answers to stuff like this.

I've finished heating my first batch of yogurt and it's in the fridge. You have no idea how much I hope it helps. When I first tried the acidophlious supplements a few weeks ago, the first time I took a 1.5 bil dose (half a capsule), I have never, ever felt better in my life. My whole body felt so much better!! I would never, ever have guessed or anticipated that that would or could happen.

Thanks again, and best to all