Re: worry free

[Guest guest]

Sandi,

The stoma, according to my surgeon, has a natural tendency to become as

large as the piece of intestine that is attached to the pouch. The " hole "

wants to become as large as the " pipe " it's attached to.

With all due respect, I don't believe anyone who is MO can " re-train " their

brain. The surgery and all of the complex notional feedback, hormones, new

plumbing helps re-train the brain. If you can re-train the brain, why have

surgery?

I am thrilled your surgery is successful. Mine is very successful as well;

I have no problem with regain and am in better shape than the vast majority

of 50 year olds I know and see.

Your post has an " edge " to it......that people who are struggling just don't

have the moral fiber that more successful people have, and that reeks of the

old " push away from the table " mentality that makes many people feel like

crap about themselves all over again.

From reading these posts for many years or now, some people have better

results than others, and I don't think any of us know for sure why that

happens. Probably many reasons.

I get a HUGE kick out of being appreciative of the " grace " present in my

life that has given me relief. The only credit I take is enjoying the hell

out of it.

Just my $.02

in Austin

RNY April 1998

worry free

> I am 2 yrs out and 128 down. 10 from goal. When I got to the 1/2 cup stage

in

> the beginning of this journey, I stopped there. I do 1/2 cup 5X a day. I

> never have to worry about overeating or stretched stomas I keep hearing

everyone

> fret about. How do you stretch a stoma any way if you take tiny bites and

chew

> each bite to liquid?

It works for me. I hear

> people say they are looking for that full feeling to happen. When it

doesn't they

> keep eating. That full feeling was from the old you. After wls that person

is

> changed.

> I wish it worked for everyone for there is no grazing or cravings with

eating

> every 3-4 hours. Most times I have to force myself. I keep cubes of cheese

&

> grapes for sugar on hand at all times. Plan my meals the night before to

> eliminate the guess work each day. Becomes second nature after a while.

> After hearing the many stories about overeating still, grazing and

> craving...it makes me sad for those who have not changed their old habits.

I retrained

> my brain, you can make it as easy or as hard depending on how willing you

are

> to want to change, to accept this new way of eating for there isn't any

kind of

> food in this world that would make me go back to 282 lbs.

> Sandi

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sandi, dear, you're one in a million. For the rest of us 999,999

formerly MO, it just doesn't work that way and never can. I'm happy

for you, but you must understand that your situation is far from the

norm.

ly, I believe that you may be one of those people that really

didn't need the surgery to begin with. If you are capable of

retraining your brain, and we've all heard the old adage about our

surgeons operationg on our stomachs, not our brains, then you

probably don't have the chemical or genetic imbalance that many of us

have, and you might possibly become the poster child for those that

believe that " we should just push away from the table. "

So, please consider yourself extrememly lucky, but try to understand

that it simply doesn't work that way for the rest of us and never can.

in NJ

*****************************

> I am 2 yrs out and 128 down. 10 from goal. When I got to the 1/2

cup stage in the beginning of this journey, I stopped there. I do 1/2

cup 5X a day. .........

> After hearing the many stories about overeating still, grazing and

> craving...it makes me sad for those who have not changed their old

habits. I retrained my brain, you can make it as easy or as hard

depending on how willing you are to want to change, to accept this

new way of eating for there isn't any kind of food in this world that

would make me go back to 282 lbs.

> Sandi

>

[Guest guest]

> After hearing the many stories about overeating still, grazing and

> craving...it makes me sad for those who have not changed their old habits.

I retrained

> my brain, you can make it as easy or as hard depending on how willing you

are

> to want to change, to accept this new way of eating for there isn't any

kind of

> food in this world that would make me go back to 282 lbs.

None of us want to go back. You need to understand that there is a big

difference between just changing a habit and breaking an addiction. For

those of us who are truly addicted to food, it's not as simple as you make

it sound. And to make it sound like it is that simple lays a guilt trip on

those who can't just stop.

I will say it again and keep saying it -- food addiction is not simply over

eating, and has nothing to do with the taste of food or the love of food. It

is a psychological AND physical addiction, just like alcohol. drugs, or

smoking. Eating releases seratonins. In some of us, it releases a lot of

them, and we use this to relieve stress, to get over emotional highs and

lows, just to cope. Leaving food alone becomes " not an option, " because then

the seratonin drops and we are back in the emotional pit. It is the same

physical reaction as that next drink the alcoholic doesn't need, the next

hit off a joint, that cigarette that is so desperately needed after the

nicotine of the last one starts to wane. It's complex, and frightening, and

for all of us our greatest fear is that we will out-eat our tools and go

back to our old weights.

If I could train myself to eat 1/2 cup of food a given number of times a

day, I would never have seen 415 pounds. I'm glad you can do this. But it's

not possible for everyone, at least not without years of therapy and

probably antidepressants.

~~ Lyn G

[Guest guest]

Lyn, I would have to agree with you totally on this. If it were a matter of

retraining my brain ... believe me I would not have gone through what I went

through in surgery. And it's not like I didn't try before surgery.

I have never heard anyone before discuss the release of seratonins but it

makes so much sense to me. There is definitely a feeling I get when I am

eating ... something is released. Initially after surgery something

happened and I think these seratonins were not being released. For the

first 9 months to 1 year, I got no pleasure from eating. My mouth never

watered for anything. Believe me, I would love for eating not to be a

pleasurable experience any longer. Certainly if I were retraining my brain

and developing new habits it would have happened in that first 9 months.

B from NJ

Re: worry free

>

> > After hearing the many stories about overeating still, grazing and

> > craving...it makes me sad for those who have not changed their old

habits.

> I retrained

> > my brain, you can make it as easy or as hard depending on how willing

you

> are

> > to want to change, to accept this new way of eating for there isn't any

> kind of

> > food in this world that would make me go back to 282 lbs.

>

> None of us want to go back. You need to understand that there is a big

> difference between just changing a habit and breaking an addiction. For

> those of us who are truly addicted to food, it's not as simple as you make

> it sound. And to make it sound like it is that simple lays a guilt trip on

> those who can't just stop.

>

> I will say it again and keep saying it -- food addiction is not simply

over

> eating, and has nothing to do with the taste of food or the love of food.

It

> is a psychological AND physical addiction, just like alcohol. drugs, or

> smoking. Eating releases seratonins. In some of us, it releases a lot of

> them, and we use this to relieve stress, to get over emotional highs and

> lows, just to cope. Leaving food alone becomes " not an option, " because

then

> the seratonin drops and we are back in the emotional pit. It is the same

> physical reaction as that next drink the alcoholic doesn't need, the next

> hit off a joint, that cigarette that is so desperately needed after the

> nicotine of the last one starts to wane. It's complex, and frightening,

and

> for all of us our greatest fear is that we will out-eat our tools and go

> back to our old weights.

>

> If I could train myself to eat 1/2 cup of food a given number of times a

> day, I would never have seen 415 pounds. I'm glad you can do this. But

it's

> not possible for everyone, at least not without years of therapy and

> probably antidepressants.

>

> ~~ Lyn G

>

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[Guest guest]

Ya know, I would never wish a stretched stoma on ANYbody, but this post

almost makes me wanna do it. How DARE you, lady, imply that those of us who have

a

biological screw-up did it to ourselves? Are you totally new to this list or

what? Do you not read all the posts by people who've had this happen to them?

Or do you just not believe what they say?

You have NO IDEA how goshdarned LUCKY you are that you got the help from your

surgery that you needed from the very beginning. Listen to the signals from

your body? If your stoma is too big to begin with, the signals your body sends

out are " hungry hungry hungry feed me feed me feed me. " That is bcuz, if you

would READ what I posted earlier, the food does NOT stay in your pouch. It

pours straight thru into your intestines, no matter how tiny the bites you take

and no matter how much u chew it all up till it's liquid.

I tried moderation ! I STILL try moderation ! But damn it, I never got the

help the surgery was supposed to give me. It was supposed to MAKE me feel full.

It was supposed to MAKE me ill if I over-ate. I was supposed to dump and/or

vomit. Yeah, I measure a half cup. Eat it. Wait. Whether I wait 5 minutes or a

half hour or 2 hours, I am still ravenous. This was happening from the very

beginning, not after weeks and months of overeating. And I DID blame myself for

over a year, until I finally got myself scoped, and the specialist told me

what was what. And I STILL blame myself in part. Keep thinking, well, I should

have tried harder. See, the surgeons have you brainwashed that they make it

possible and then it's all up to you. But sometimes they don't actually make it

all that possible.

How do you stretch a stoma? Well, first of all, if the surgeon doesn't make

it small enuf to begin with, you don't even have to stretch it to make it not

do the job it's supposed to do. If the stoma isn't small enuf, the pouch is

pretty useless! Secondly, the stoma has a tendency to stretch, or " relax " if

you

will, ALL BY ITSELF, over time. It might even happen to YOU, u lucky gal!

It's part of the body's natural tendency to revert to the status quo. Did you

know that your intestines also tend to grow longer to make up for the lack of

absorption caused by the surgery? Oh yeah. It's called hypertrophy. See, the

theory is, that by the time that happens, you have retrained yourself enuf in

your

eating habits that you can still maintain your weight loss. But most people,

even if they have these new good habits, still tend to have SOME regain.

You're SAD for those who have not retrained their old habits? I don't THINK

so. Sounds more like " I'm so wonderful; I've DONE it. " I hear no sadness in

your post, only a huge disdain for those still struggling. You have become one

of

those people you probably experienced when you were MO; the ones who have NO

understanding of the biological factors that contribute to obesity and who put

all the blame on the patient/victim. It's a lot easier to retrain those old

habits when you have the pouch working for you like it should. When it doesn't,

you're on your own, just like before the surgery. How successful were you

THEN in retraining your old habits? When the stoma doesn't keep the pouch full,

the only thing you've got going for you in this surgery is the malabsorption --

you won't absorb ALL the calories you eat. And even THAT ain't gonna last

forever.

Have some heart, lady, and thank your higher power, if you believe in one, or

your surgeon if you don't, that you got a successful surgery that HELPED you

achieve what you wanted to.

Boy, this post REALLY ticked me off. Guess y'all can tell, huh?

Carol A

------------------------------------------

In a message dated 7/29/2003 1:49:50 PM Central Daylight Time,

ga_kimba@... writes:

> ORAN2000@... wrote:

> I am 2 yrs out and 128 down. 10 from goal. When I got to the 1/2 cup stage

> in

> the beginning of this journey, I stopped there. I do 1/2 cup 5X a day. I

> never have to worry about overeating or stretched stomas I keep hearing

> everyone

> fret about. How do you stretch a stoma any way if you take tiny bites and

> chew

> each bite to liquid?

> I use moderation eating which means I do not deny myself anything. I have

> never been sugar-free. If it is the naughty foods I want then it is a

> heaping

> tablespoon and eat it slowly like it was the last taste of food on earth.

> I had an endoscopy done for acid check and had them take a pix of the pouch.

>

> My surgeon tells me it is barely bigger than when he first made it.

> My tummy tells me when I have had enough and that usually is 1/2 cup. Listen

>

> to your body signs. I can tell when I get close to the 3-4 hour eating time

> for I get a sensation, not the hunger pangs of yore, that signals it is time

> to

> refuel. Food has become fuel to me. Doesn't mean it can't taste

> wonderful...just it is the fuel to keep my inner furnace burning.

> The same thing when I eat. As soon as I feel the sensation, I stop and I may

>

> have a bite or two left. Doesn't matter...I stop. It works for me. I hear

> people say they are looking for that full feeling to happen. When it doesn't

> they

> keep eating. That full feeling was from the old you. After wls that person

> is

> changed.

> I wish it worked for everyone for there is no grazing or cravings with

> eating

> every 3-4 hours. Most times I have to force myself. I keep cubes of cheese &

> grapes for sugar on hand at all times. Plan my meals the night before to

> eliminate the guess work each day. Becomes second nature after a while.

> After hearing the many stories about overeating still, grazing and

> craving...it makes me sad for those who have not changed their old habits. I

> retrained

> my brain, you can make it as easy or as hard depending on how willing you

> are

> to want to change, to accept this new way of eating for there isn't any kind

> of

> food in this world that would make me go back to 282 lbs.

> Sandi

>

>

[Guest guest]

Years of therapy AND anti-depressants have not helped me much. Been in

therapy on and off for well over 30 years. Been on anti-depressants for the same

amount of time, also on and off, including the last round of Zoloft, which gave

me violent diarrhea every day of my life. I even lost a job bcuz I had to spend

so much time in the ladies room. I put up with THAT for 6 years, bcuz I hoped

it would help me get a handle on the eating. Finally gave up; it wasn't

helping.

In addition to the seratonin issue, there is also the insulin resistance --

which sends those " feed me " signals all the time. Those who don't have it have

no idea what it's like to try and ignore it. I suspect the gal who retrained

her brain so easily probably had neither that nor the food addiction.

Carol A

------------------------------------

I retrained

>

> >>my brain, you can make it as easy or as hard depending on how willing

> you

> >are

> >>to want to change, to accept this new way of eating for there isn't any

> >kind of

> >>food in this world that would make me go back to 282 lbs.

> >------------------------------------------------

> >None of us want to go back. You need to understand that there is a big

> >difference between just changing a habit and breaking an addiction. For

> >those of us who are truly addicted to food, it's not as simple as you make

> >it sound. And to make it sound like it is that simple lays a guilt trip on

> >those who can't just stop.

> >

> >I will say it again and keep saying it -- food addiction is not simply

> over

> >eating, and has nothing to do with the taste of food or the love of food.

> It

> >is a psychological AND physical addiction, just like alcohol. drugs, or

> >smoking. Eating releases seratonins. In some of us, it releases a lot of

> >them, and we use this to relieve stress, to get over emotional highs and

> >lows, just to cope. Leaving food alone becomes " not an option, " because

> then

> >the seratonin drops and we are back in the emotional pit. It is the same

> >physical reaction as that next drink the alcoholic doesn't need, the next

> >hit off a joint, that cigarette that is so desperately needed after the

> >nicotine of the last one starts to wane. It's complex, and frightening,

> and

> >for all of us our greatest fear is that we will out-eat our tools and go

> >back to our old weights.

> >

> >If I could train myself to eat 1/2 cup of food a given number of times a

> >day, I would never have seen 415 pounds. I'm glad you can do this. But

> it's

> >not possible for everyone, at least not without years of therapy and

> >probably antidepressants.

> >

> >~~ Lyn G

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I read this email and knew things would start flying...

I really don't want anyone who has had success in the wt loss and

retraining themselves to leave the list nor do I want anyone having

real issues with wt regain or losing too much wt to leave. WE have a

ton of lurkers here, preop and new post ops who need to know this

stuff.

Me? I am not one of the fortunate few. I have had no problems

physically but gads my old demons came back after the 2nd year post

op. The dramatic size changes stopped, the big losses and all of a

sudden everyone around me had better things to do than to notice the

new me. It was now the norm. What do we do when everydayness sets

in??? For me it was back to the old comfort to handle things. Food,

and guess what, even if you graze on healthy foods the wt will come

back. Many of us have had a rude awakening.

So, the responsibility falls back on me. I MUST diet to lose or

maintain. I must stay away from my cycle/binge foods, I must take my

supplements and each meal must have a beginning and an end, I must

drink enough water and eat protein first. I must not drink with

meals and I MUST (GASP)EXERCISE daily for 40-50 minutes.

Just my experience and 2cents.

Rita

Open Proximal RNY 3/31/94

[Guest guest]

Just to say this one more time.

PEOPLE do not stretch stomas. Docs do not set them up to stretch. You

could not do this to yourself if you tried, with food. Maybe if you

swallowed rocks or 2X4's, whole.

The body does this & usually shortly after the surgery. The victim struggles

with guilt & a sensation of failure, sprinkled with doubts if the surgery is

" ok " . By the time the victim actually gets it checked, they are so laden

with guilt they can hardly accept that the problem is mechanical. It's a

miserable diagnosis to have. It has not happened to me, but I see it close

up way too often. Once is too often.

The body will do EVERYTHING it can to compensate for what we have done to

fix ourselves. Everything. It can do amazing things. One of them is to

cause the stoma to become the same size as the pouch, which can also become

about the same size as the esophagus, which makes for a nice tidy chute.

The victim had no part in this happening. It's really important to sort out

what really is fault (grazing, sugars) vs. what is not.

People do not plan for a flat tire or a blown belt or gasket. It happens to

come, not to others. It might happen more with one make of car, of course.

But not everyone that leaves the factory.

Mechanical, not mental, not behavioral. This one is 100% blame-free.

Thanks,

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worry free

> I am 2 yrs out and 128 down. 10 from goal. When I got to the 1/2 cup stage

in

> the beginning of this journey, I stopped there. I do 1/2 cup 5X a day. I

> never have to worry about overeating or stretched stomas I keep hearing

everyone

> fret about. How do you stretch a stoma any way if you take tiny bites and

chew

> each bite to liquid?

> I use moderation eating which means I do not deny myself anything. I have

> never been sugar-free. If it is the naughty foods I want then it is a

heaping

> tablespoon and eat it slowly like it was the last taste of food on earth.

> I had an endoscopy done for acid check and had them take a pix of the

pouch.

> My surgeon tells me it is barely bigger than when he first made it.

> My tummy tells me when I have had enough and that usually is 1/2 cup.

Listen

> to your body signs. I can tell when I get close to the 3-4 hour eating

time

> for I get a sensation, not the hunger pangs of yore, that signals it is

time to

> refuel. Food has become fuel to me. Doesn't mean it can't taste

> wonderful...just it is the fuel to keep my inner furnace burning.

> The same thing when I eat. As soon as I feel the sensation, I stop and I

may

> have a bite or two left. Doesn't matter...I stop. It works for me. I hear

> people say they are looking for that full feeling to happen. When it

doesn't they

> keep eating. That full feeling was from the old you. After wls that person

is

> changed.

> I wish it worked for everyone for there is no grazing or cravings with

eating

> every 3-4 hours. Most times I have to force myself. I keep cubes of cheese

&

> grapes for sugar on hand at all times. Plan my meals the night before to

> eliminate the guess work each day. Becomes second nature after a while.

> After hearing the many stories about overeating still, grazing and

> craving...it makes me sad for those who have not changed their old habits.

I retrained

> my brain, you can make it as easy or as hard depending on how willing you

are

> to want to change, to accept this new way of eating for there isn't any

kind of

> food in this world that would make me go back to 282 lbs.

> Sandi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amen on this one!

> I think of it this way: at least an alcoholic doesn't need to consume

alcohol to survive.

Well, I think the problem occurs because just like some of us MO's.....they

FEEL as though they do. Anyone who has ever suffered from both an eating

disorder and drug/alcohol addiction will tell you that the problem being

psychological versus physical doesn't necessarily make it any easier to

overcome!! Personally I have always felt that being MO was for me a LOT of

both........I think the physical probably came first and then REALLY screwed

up the mental P.

Re: worry free

>

> >

> > > After hearing the many stories about overeating still, grazing and

> > > craving...it makes me sad for those who have not changed their

> > old habits.

> > I retrained

> > > my brain, you can make it as easy or as hard depending on how

> > willing you

> > are

> > > to want to change, to accept this new way of eating for there

> > isn't any

> > kind of

> > > food in this world that would make me go back to 282 lbs.

> >

> > None of us want to go back. You need to understand that there is a big

> > difference between just changing a habit and breaking an

> > addiction. For

> > those of us who are truly addicted to food, it's not as simple as

> > you make

> > it sound. And to make it sound like it is that simple lays a guilt

> > trip on

> > those who can't just stop.

> >

> > I will say it again and keep saying it -- food addiction is not

> > simply over

> > eating, and has nothing to do with the taste of food or the love

> > of food. It

> > is a psychological AND physical addiction, just like alcohol.

> > drugs, or

> > smoking. Eating releases seratonins. In some of us, it releases a

> > lot of

> > them, and we use this to relieve stress, to get over emotional

> > highs and

> > lows, just to cope. Leaving food alone becomes " not an option, "

> > because then

> > the seratonin drops and we are back in the emotional pit. It is

> > the same

> > physical reaction as that next drink the alcoholic doesn't need,

> > the next

> > hit off a joint, that cigarette that is so desperately needed

> > after the

> > nicotine of the last one starts to wane. It's complex, and

> > frightening, and

> > for all of us our greatest fear is that we will out-eat our tools

> > and go

> > back to our old weights.

> >

> > If I could train myself to eat 1/2 cup of food a given number of

> > times a

> > day, I would never have seen 415 pounds. I'm glad you can do this.

> > But it's

> > not possible for everyone, at least not without years of therapy and

> > probably antidepressants.

> >

> > ~~ Lyn G

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Is there any truth or possibility that the body creates regeneration

because it is not getting the essential norishment it needs. Is it

possible to stop the body from compensating so much by drinking more

protein shakes and/or taking excellent sources of vitamins and

minerals? Does it even aid in hindering regeneration to give the

body what it needs?

My guess is that it does hinder, albeit not halt completely. There

is relaxing of the muscles/stoma/pouch and there is regeneration.

Two seperate entities.

Carol G.

> Just to say this one more time.

>

> PEOPLE do not stretch stomas. Docs do not set them up to

stretch. You

> could not do this to yourself if you tried, with food. Maybe if

you

> swallowed rocks or 2X4's, whole.

>

> The body does this & usually shortly after the surgery. The victim

struggles

> with guilt & a sensation of failure, sprinkled with doubts if the

surgery is

> " ok " . By the time the victim actually gets it checked, they are so

laden

> with guilt they can hardly accept that the problem is mechanical.

It's a

> miserable diagnosis to have. It has not happened to me, but I see

it close

> up way too often. Once is too often.

>

> The body will do EVERYTHING it can to compensate for what we have

done to

> fix ourselves. Everything. It can do amazing things. One of them

is to

> cause the stoma to become the same size as the pouch, which can

also become

> about the same size as the esophagus, which makes for a nice tidy

chute.

>

> The victim had no part in this happening. It's really important

to sort out

> what really is fault (grazing, sugars) vs. what is not.

>

> People do not plan for a flat tire or a blown belt or gasket. It

happens to

> come, not to others. It might happen more with one make of car, of

course.

> But not everyone that leaves the factory.

>

> Mechanical, not mental, not behavioral. This one is 100% blame-

free.

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

> If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

>

> worry free

>

>

> > I am 2 yrs out and 128 down. 10 from goal. When I got to the 1/2

cup stage

> in

> > the beginning of this journey, I stopped there. I do 1/2 cup 5X

a day. I

> > never have to worry about overeating or stretched stomas I keep

hearing

> everyone

> > fret about. How do you stretch a stoma any way if you take tiny

bites and

> chew

> > each bite to liquid?

> > I use moderation eating which means I do not deny myself

anything. I have

> > never been sugar-free. If it is the naughty foods I want then it

is a

> heaping

> > tablespoon and eat it slowly like it was the last taste of food

on earth.

> > I had an endoscopy done for acid check and had them take a pix

of the

> pouch.

> > My surgeon tells me it is barely bigger than when he first made

it.

> > My tummy tells me when I have had enough and that usually is 1/2

cup.

> Listen

> > to your body signs. I can tell when I get close to the 3-4 hour

eating

> time

> > for I get a sensation, not the hunger pangs of yore, that

signals it is

> time to

> > refuel. Food has become fuel to me. Doesn't mean it can't taste

> > wonderful...just it is the fuel to keep my inner furnace burning.

> > The same thing when I eat. As soon as I feel the sensation, I

stop and I

> may

> > have a bite or two left. Doesn't matter...I stop. It works for

me. I hear

> > people say they are looking for that full feeling to happen.

When it

> doesn't they

> > keep eating. That full feeling was from the old you. After wls

that person

> is

> > changed.

> > I wish it worked for everyone for there is no grazing or

cravings with

> eating

> > every 3-4 hours. Most times I have to force myself. I keep cubes

of cheese

> &

> > grapes for sugar on hand at all times. Plan my meals the night

before to

> > eliminate the guess work each day. Becomes second nature after a

while.

> > After hearing the many stories about overeating still, grazing

and

> > craving...it makes me sad for those who have not changed their

old habits.

> I retrained

> > my brain, you can make it as easy or as hard depending on how

willing you

> are

> > to want to change, to accept this new way of eating for there

isn't any

> kind of

> > food in this world that would make me go back to 282 lbs.

> > Sandi

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

When I first started actively researching WLS, I was amazed at the

number of people on depression meds. I still believe theses meds are

dispersed far to easily, which leads to my question...Are we fat

because we're depressed or are we depressed because we're fat?

in NJ

***********************

> Absolutely, . Years ago my Doc was at a meeting where a Doc

was proving with charts that depression caused arthritis. The charts

showed the high percentage of arthritis suffers who are depressed.

Another doc stood and said yes, people with arthritis GET depressed.

>

> Fay Bayuk

>

[Guest guest]

Carol~

I believe within myself that this is a definite possibility. Why would your

body work to get nutrients that it is already getting? Makes a lot of sense

to me. And doing this cannot hurt in any way...so why not bath your body in

nutrients...and see. We need more anecdotal evidence that this is true....but

so far...I'm a believer!

Regards~

Jacque

> Is there any truth or possibility that the body creates regeneration

> because it is not getting the essential norishment it needs. Is it

> possible to stop the body from compensating so much by drinking more

> protein shakes and/or taking excellent sources of vitamins and

> minerals? Does it even aid in hindering regeneration to give the

>

[Guest guest]

The STAPLE line is too close to the esophagus. There is no " fabric " to work

with there.

The esophagus is a different animal than just stomach fabric. Kinda like

trying to use a bone to replace skin. And we so do not want to mess with

the esophagus, if we can avoid it

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Re: worry free

> In a message dated 7/31/2003 7:29:24 AM Central Daylight Time,

> navwriter@... writes:

> >

> > Tell me again Carol exactly what he said was the reason he could not

> > repair/reinforce/redo/modify the stoma? I have often wondered why, if

they

> > can go in a take out a major aneurysm in the aorta and eplace it with

what

> > looks like a section of vaccum hose, then why in the world could not a

stoma

> > be repaired in some fashion that would make the surgery functional

again? I

> > know has told me before etc., and I have had surgeons run out

of

> > the room when I mentioned it,,,,but I cannot for the life of me remember

> > exactly what was said,,,,,

> -------------------------------------

>

> Basically what he said was that the original surgeon placed it very very

> close to the esophagus and it is just way too risky and dangerous to do a

surgical

> intervention with only about 1 centimeter of working space. Not even any

room

> to put on a silastic ring/band. Don't know why they couldn't like, maybe,

> shorten or use some of the esophagus. Or reverse the whole surgery (I

thought it

> WAS reversible) and make a new pouch with stoma in a different location. I

> have trouble understanding how the stoma can be too close to the

esophagus, bcuz

> I think: okay, first u got the esophagus and below that the pouch, and at

the

> BOTTOM of the pouch, the stoma. I THINK what I have is what some call a

> horizontal pouch, in which case the stoma could be more on the side, next

to

> esophagus, rather than at the bottom of the pouch. Does that make sense?

>

> Sure wish there was a way to fix it. Maybe if enuf people end up with this

> situation, someone will come up with a solution -- maybe that solution

lies with

> the original surgeons placing the stoma in such a way that it CAN be fixed

if

> it fails. Bcuz from what I understand, it's in the nature of the beast to

get

> bigger just on its own over time. But unless people start talking about

this

> more freely, and getting themselves scoped, and going armed with the

results

> to their surgeons, it'll prolly go the way of the calcium wars et al. Took

my

> doc almost 2 yrs worth of constant reminders from patients b4 he finally

quit

> recommending Tums..............

>

> Carol A

>

>

>