Re: Re: Kaiser vs. other programs.

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Francisco At some point in life we must think of ourselves, I don't mean to say not think of others, but make sure we count. I know I use to always put everyone first and only if their was time then did I count. Now I make time for my exercising, some fun time, meeting, the must stuff (business, house, yards,) and helping others around the busy schedule. I'm not always first, I look at priority, my dad's when he was sick, helping my mom, but as things calm I put my priorities back in order. With life having some flex is good, but just can't forget that we are important and we have to love our self or we can't be here for us or anyone else. A mindset is what it took for me to lose the 10% and to make my life better, even though this rough year. Be happy and fine the good in things and enjoy life and love ones self and this journey will work. Glad your doing so

well. I haven't been posting alot just to much life. I try to read, even that I haven't been great at lately. Now I'm caught up and will make just a few post, then vacation and no computer to come home to be way behind here again. I will try to stay in touch a little better when I get back, until I start back to college in August. Take care. Donnamanisodream wrote: Donna: I did the same things you did. I followed the 1200 calorie meal plan to the letter, and I exercised for one hour a day, 7 days a week. I

lost 35 lbs in two months (from Orientation to Surgery). My total pre-surgery weight loss was 51 lbs. I changed my mindset about exercise and eating. I viewed it as medicine that I needed to "take" in order to get better. I encouraged myself instead of beating myself up. I was a man with a plan, and there was NOTHING or NOBODY that was gonna get in my way to have this surgery. I was focused on me, my needs and my goals for the first time in my life. It was MY turn to take of MY needs first. I gave myself the permission to take care of me. It was incredibly empowering and necessary in order to get to goal. Francisco > > > > > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if anyone > > else > > > had the

same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the woman was > > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that she couldn't keep > > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and the running > > theme > > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no > > lifestyle > > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need of help > > it > > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that was bed > > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he could keep > > > down. Is there different criteria for different surgeries? Is > > Kaiser > > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to classes? > > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it is more helpful > > > that you have someone

around to help with the life changes that you > > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > >

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Just start with the chair dancing, make things work for you. You can do this, you must do this, you have to change the way you think and it will work for you. Take care. Donnadamaris wrote: yeah i am using the pain--knees and back as a way out of exercising and telling myself i am doing the right thing by not exercising...i have to change my way of thinking.....damaris > > > > > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if anyone > > else > > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the woman was > > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that she couldn't keep > > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and the running > > theme > > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no > > lifestyle > > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need of help > > it > > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that was bed > > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he could keep > > > down. Is there different

criteria for different surgeries? Is > > Kaiser > > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to classes? > > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it is more helpful > > > that you have someone around to help with the life changes that you > > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > >

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im just curious what is chair dancing? Donna Jordon wrote: Just start with the chair dancing, make things work for you. You can do this, you must do this, you have to change the way you think and it will work for you. Take care. Donnadamaris wrote: yeah i am using the pain--knees and back as a way out of exercisingand telling myself

i am doing the right thing by not exercising...ihave to change my way of thinking.....damaris>

> >> > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if anyone > > else > > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the woman was > > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining that she couldn't keep > > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and the running > > theme > > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no > > lifestyle > > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need of help > > it > > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that was bed > > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he could keep > > > down. Is there different criteria for different surgeries? Is > > Kaiser > > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to classes?> > > it does seem like a pain

but I think in the end it is more helpful > > > that you have someone around to help with the life changes thatyou > > > have to do in order to lose and keep the weight off.> > >> > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> >

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You guys are truley an inspiration. I need your encouragement . I am waiting for my acceptance letter any day now. I will start the 1200 cal next wk and an exercise program. Do I need to also start on the vit regimen, and what should I take?manisodream wrote: Donna: I did the same things you did. I followed the 1200 calorie meal plan to the letter, and I exercised for one hour a day, 7 days a week. I lost 35 lbs in two months (from Orientation to Surgery). My total pre-surgery weight loss was 51 lbs.

I changed my mindset about exercise and eating. I viewed it as medicine that I needed to "take" in order to get better. I encouraged myself instead of beating myself up. I was a man with a plan, and there was NOTHING or NOBODY that was gonna get in my way to have this surgery. I was focused on me, my needs and my goals for the first time in my life. It was MY turn to take of MY needs first. I gave myself the permission to take care of me. It was incredibly empowering and necessary in order to get to goal. Francisco > > > > > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was wondering if anyone > > else > > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked that the woman was > > > eating lettuce and tomatoes

and complaining that she couldn't keep > > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past and the running > > theme > > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No classes no > > lifestyle > > > changes. While the people who had the surgery were in need of help > > it > > > seemed that the after care was not there. The one man that was bed > > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing that he could keep > > > down. Is there different criteria for different surgeries? Is > > Kaiser > > > the only health plan that is requiring that you go to classes? > > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the end it is more helpful > > > that you have someone around to help with the life changes that you > > > have to do in order to lose and keep

the weight off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > >

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Amen Sister Double dittoPamela A Marsh wrote: , I don't mean to get all religious here on you but one thing I know for sure. The three facilities at KP that do the surgery do things differently as we are all reading about. I hear man say that it can take one to two years but I have learned that prayer and being faithful makes a world of difference. Man don't always have the final say so about what happens in our life. God is truly concerned about you and your health and what effects/affects you and your life. You pray about the situation and then you leave it with God and allow Him to do His perfect will in your life. I am going to pray about you and your situation and whatsoever God has in store for you we are just going to have to trust Him. If I were there I would give you a big hug but since I can't I am sending you this virtual one. Be encouraged and God never fails...NEVER. Pam Marsh --- <ksnewton (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: > I absolutely agree that we are blessed to be in a > program that > offers a wealth of information, training, and > support. I know that > the "extended" time this program takes will allow me > to learn what > is neccesary so that I do not gain the weight back > or develop > complications. As much as I know this, I still > cannot help but get > frustrated

with the lenght of time. I guess for me > it took a long > time to make the decision and get the initial > referal from my pcp so > I feel like I have already been waiting years for > this to happen. > In addition, I have been currently waiting for three > months now just > to get an appointment for my psych eval. > Supposedly, there is a > really long waiting list and lots of people try to > get the surgery. > So now, according to the nutritionist I saw, this > has become a two > year process instead of one. There are definetly > days when the > waiting gets to me and I want to be able to move on > with a healthier > life. I know, I know, I must be patient and remind > myself that each > day is another opportunity to learn, grow, and > improve healthy > behaviors and that even after the surgery this is

a > lifetime > process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had seen the gastric bypass shows and I was > > > wondering if anyone > > > else > > > > had the same reaction as I did. I was shocked > that > > > the

woman was > > > > eating lettuce and tomatoes and complaining > that > > > she couldn't keep > > > > food down. I had seen a few shows in the past > and > > > the running > > > theme > > > > is that they wanted the surgery and got it. No > > > classes no > > > lifestyle > > > > changes. While the people who had the surgery > were > > > in need of help > > > it > > > > seemed that the after care was not there. The > one > > > man that was bed > > > > bound was drinking soda! It was the only thing > > > that he could keep > > > > down. Is there different criteria for > different > > > surgeries? Is > > > Kaiser > > > > the only health plan that is requiring

that > you go > > > to classes? > > > > it does seem like a pain but I think in the > end it > > > is more helpful > > > > that you have someone around to help with the > life > > > changes that you > > > > have to do in order to lose and keep the > weight > > > off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > >