help on choosing supplements

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I am brand new to the group and trying to get on the SCD. In addition to my gut

problems I have osteoporosis. I have been using several Standard Process

supplements, but they seem not to be SCD legal.

The doctor who recommended the diet to me has suggested Beyond Bone Defense by

Longevity Plus, but she is pretty new to SCD and doesn't really know if it is

OK.

I would appreciate input from anyone who has experience with this.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Freeda vitamins are SCD legal. They have a calcium/mg supplement too. You can

order them from digestive wellness, and I think Lucy's Kitchen as well.

You may also want to check your vitamin D levels, and be sure you are getting

enough D. I take extra D from GI pro health- they carry a legal one.

PJ

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> I am brand new to the group and trying to get on the SCD. In addition to my

gut problems I have osteoporosis. I have been using several Standard Process

supplements, but they seem not to be SCD legal.

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> The doctor who recommended the diet to me has suggested Beyond Bone Defense by

Longevity Plus, but she is pretty new to SCD and doesn't really know if it is

OK.

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> I would appreciate input from anyone who has experience with this.

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> Marcia

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> I am brand new to the group and trying to get on the SCD. In addition to my

> gut problems I have osteoporosis. I have been using several Standard Process

> supplements, but they seem not to be SCD legal.

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> The doctor who recommended the diet to me has suggested Beyond Bone Defense

> by Longevity Plus, but she is pretty new to SCD and doesn't really know if

> it is OK.

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> I would appreciate input from anyone who has experience with this.

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> Marcia

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Marcia,

I wrote something about this earlier, but it's worthy of further discussion. In

my opinion there are few people who would not benefit from the ingestion of

Vitamin K2.

There are numerous studies that show that K2 addresses two of our most troubling

concerns, heart disease and osteoporosis. It literally removes calcium from

arteries and heart valves,depositing it then in the bones.

The reason you haven't heard about this miracle vitamin, that also fights

several forms of cancer, is the matter of cost. I have been using a brand that

gives me 100 mcg per day for 100 days at a cost of $9.00. This is less than

$3.00 per month. No big profit motive here.

If you're interested, several studies have demonstrated a very positive effect

on tooth health with the increased availability of calcium.

The blood thinner, coumadin, does the opposite of K2, removing calcium from bone

and depositing it where it's not needed.

Les

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> Sometimes I feel like I'm knowledgable with food but then I start reading the

forum and get frustrated. I've been on the diet for 2 months and I'm not looking

for a miracle--I'm in it for the long haul--but many days I'm frustrated. I'd

like to (and do) puree my food and make patties. It just seams easier.

> Les-What brand of K2 do you buy? I haven't heard of this and I read a lot.

> Do you all think this is ok:

http://www.vitacost.com/MegaFood-Womens-One-Daily I pulled all supplements

except cod liver oil and D and I'm afraid I'm not getting any calcium. Probably

not a lot of iron either. Most days I eat pureed

chicken/squash/carrots/eggs/sometimes almond flour. Soup broth. Almond bread

made with a lot of squash. Yogurt with blueberries. A bite of cheddar here and

there. I do need to keep a journal because I was doing well (I'm one with major

C) and then now I can't go. I did go off the asacol but I think I've been eating

too much squash bread. Maybe my prob is a combo of both things. I had been

eating prunes/apples cooked in prune puree but have somehow got out of that.

Maybe it's the homeschooling, working, and chasing a toddler. I do try to do it

all. Just a bit down at the moment with the C coming back when I thought I was

doing so good.

> Is coral calcium ok? That seems like an easy calcium????

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There are two sites I would like for you to check. First, please Google <Weston

Price activator x>, Weston Price was a dentist who was curious as to why the

Eskimo people had excellent teeth although they didn't brush and ate no fruit or

vegetables. Then, if you'd like more info take a look at <The Rotterdam Study on

Vitamin K>. The Price story deals mostly with the bone strengthening aspect. The

Rotterdam study deals with reversal of arterial calcification.

The K2 I take is from NOW Foods, with 100 mcg K2 and 300 mg alfalfa. Should be

easy to find. Vitacost or Iherb will have it.

The only calcium I take is a little Calcium Carbonate mixed with Potassium

bicarbonate. I take that every evening to boost my PH.

It's my understanding that too much calcium in the blood can cause C. Maybe the

K2 will get it into the skeleton and teeth. I've been away from BTVC for many

years now so I don't remember what's legal. For C I will take Glucomannan or

Cascara Sagrada.

Les

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[Guest guest]

I think alfalfa is also illegal. If it's not that would be great.

Misty

[Guest guest]

The K2 Les takes (NOW foods) has rice flour and maltodextrin.I was taking a plain vitamin K (did not specify k1 or k2 or anything, what does that mean?) from Solaray. It was not very good at all in comparison to pure organic alfalfa tablets, good lord did those help my deficiency!!!

this website says alfalfa has k2:http://www.herbalextractsplus.com/alfalfa-leaf.cfmbut, it doesn't specify what kind of K2. Les' rotterdam study says there are a few kinds of K2, looks like they and a lot of other people recommend MK-7. You can buy MK-7 products. However, it looks like MK-7 is usually sourced from soy beans. Fermented soy beans. I don't know how legal that would be?

I would love to get back to eating alfalfa supplements considering how deficient I was (it was extreme) and how much they helped me. But, they seem way to advanced for me now. I wonder if a vitamin k2 supplement would be less advanced than alfalfa?

Debbie, I saw this quote: (I would be cautious)Vitamin K affects your body's blood clotting ability, so it could interfere with the effectiveness of any blood thinner you may be taking.

If you take Coumadin (warfarin) or any other blood thinner, or you're pregnant or lactating, please consult a healthcare professional before taking any vitamin K supplement.Best,

 

In my opinion, when it comes to supplements, everyone should be very careful. It is so easy to overdose and reach toxic levels quickly -- or learn by painful experience (hopefully not by death) that a supplement interacted the wrong way with another medication a person might be taking.

I haven't looked into K2 specifically. I would assume that not everyone should take this supplements, since even something as simple as a multivitamin can have a negative impact if the doses are too high. There is a tremendous amount of individual variation.

I have had my share of horrible experiences with doctors over the years, but I greatly value having blood work done every 6 months. It helps me, and my doctors, keep track of how my mineral and vitamin levels are doing and correct deficiencies, and check some other physiological functions. At the very least, I do my research before trying a new supplement, and I mention it to my primary care physician at my biannual appointment to find out if he has any concerns about it. And I'm not even on any long-term prescription medications!

Just my opinion. [grin] I reached these conclusions based on my own experience and my ongoing research into health and nutrition. But it is also a position that my nutrition professor mentions in every lecture (I'm currently taking a nutrition class taught by a clinical dietician). She has told us some tragic stories of what an overdose of a particular supplement can cause when the individual tried doing things on their own.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

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> I'm not a doctor or a nurse; have never worked in a doctor's office except

> receptionist type of work eons ago. I'm not sure everyone/anyone should be

> taking K2. If it does the opposite of coumidin (sp?) then you should

> probably be wary if you are a clumper. Not sure how this works.

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> I had two PE's at 32 and was taking different supplements including K2,

> borage seed and fish oil, a protein drink, etc. in the years pre-cd.

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> I am a natural clumper (they can't just mail my blood results off to get a

> 'real' reading on my platelets).

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> Ended up in the ICU for two weeks the second year after dx of crohn's and

> had to stay on coumidin with weekly blood draws for at least a year.

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> Does anyone know if it's safe for everyone to take K2?

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> Debbie 40 cd

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[Guest guest]

I didn't find it that hard to give up junk foods. Maybe they were feeding the

rats crappy tasting health foods rather than yummy tasting ones. I have a hard

time picturing a rat turning down a nice slice of butternut squash filling or a

juicy red strawberry (I'm going to make strawberry muffins this week).

That said, I still dream nightly about gorging on things like Reece's Peanut

Butter cups, but I've never felt a major desire to eat one for real.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

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> http://kdka.com/watercooler/rats.food.addiction.2.1597432.html

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> Study: Rats Rather Starve Than Eat Healthy Food

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> Scientists Compare Junk Food to Cocaine as Study

> Shows Rats Fed Junk Food Go Hungry When Given Healthy Food

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> Adding fuel to the idea that junk food is like

> crack, scientists at Scripps Florida say rats fed

> high-calorie junk food became addicted to the

> food and voluntarily starved when given healthy food instead of, say,

cupcakes.

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> Repeat: The rats voluntarily starved instead of eating healthy food.

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> See link for the rest of the article.

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> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> Babette the Foundling Beagle

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[Guest guest]

Me too Holly. Smelling something is usually enough to satisfy any craving I

might have. So far, I haven't caved an eaten anything. Those dreams are so

vivid, I used to wake up and check my sink/fridge/garbage to see if I actually

got up and cooked and/or ate what I dreamed about.

Misty Kimble

CD - no meds

SCD - 2 years

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> That said, I still dream nightly about gorging on things like Reece's Peanut

Butter cups, but I've never felt a major desire to eat one for real.

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> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08