Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Someone forwarded that same info to me from the OH board. I haven't heard anything from Kaiser up here yet, and it wasn't discussed at the Friday support group meeting in Fremont. In gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients , " " wrote: > > Someone on the Obesity Help board said that Kaiser in So. Cal had > lifted the 10% loss rule. Someone had lodged a grievance against > Kaiser and won. Has anyone here heard that? Just curious. > --On Angel Wings > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I don't belong to OH, but in this group at least I think we should discuss ways to lose weight on the 1200-calorie diet successfully and things like that, rather than how to frustrate a doctor who demands 10%. I entered orientation in October 2004 and did not have surgery until Feb. 2006, and I was ready to file appeals and grievances too. But Dr. Umbach was protecting ME, not himself, and I have no complaint. If I hadn't been in the best health in years going into surgery, I would not have survived the cancer treatments. Lose 10%; lose more! And count your blessings! Randy > > > > Someone on the Obesity Help board said that Kaiser in So. Cal had > > lifted the 10% loss rule. Someone had lodged a grievance against > > Kaiser and won. Has anyone here heard that? Just curious. > > --On Angel Wings > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 > > > > > > Someone on the Obesity Help board said that Kaiser in So. Cal had > > > lifted the 10% loss rule. Someone had lodged a grievance against > > > Kaiser and won. Has anyone here heard that? Just curious. > > > --On Angel Wings > > > > > > The 10% rule weeds out the ones that aren't serious about having WLS, also it makes having surgery much easier and safer, I had to lose 100#, i did it in two months, yes two months. Having that rule motivated me into losing the weight and reclaiming my life, along with the staff pissing me off (challenging me)that i would not lose the weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 RandyI so agree with you, I would not give up the time it took to lose the 10% (I lost more) and learned so much along the way. Without the time to learn your behavior, habbit eating and to change to be ready for this journey many may end back where they began before the surgery. Count this as a blessing, and then you will be ready for the journey the right way. Take care. Donna Jjackpoint_94401 wrote: I don't belong to OH, but in this group at least I think we should discuss ways to lose weight on the 1200-calorie diet successfully and things like that, rather than how to frustrate a doctor who demands 10%. I entered orientation in October 2004 and did not have surgery until Feb. 2006, and I was ready to file appeals and grievances too. But Dr. Umbach was protecting ME, not himself, and I have no complaint. If I hadn't been in the best health in years going into surgery, I would not have survived the cancer treatments. Lose 10%; lose more! And count your blessings! Randy > > > > Someone on the Obesity Help board said that Kaiser in So. Cal had > > lifted the 10% loss rule. Someone had lodged a grievance against > > Kaiser and won. Has anyone here heard that? Just curious. > > --On Angel Wings > > > Donna JordonDSJordon@... Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I agree Kerry. I was told to lose 40 and losing 65 instead allowed me to be done lap instead of open. The more you can lose pre-op, the easier it is on both you and the surgeon. The instruments are only so long, and being done lap sure beat having the surgeon up to his elbows in my gut! The 10% rule also lets you " act as if. " That is, practice the lifestyle skills you'll need to master, in order to be successful long-term. Many of us have to make a massive shift in our relationship with food. I liken it to making a U-turn with an aircraft carrier. Tim -240 > > > > > > > > Someone on the Obesity Help board said that Kaiser in So. Cal had > > > > lifted the 10% loss rule. Someone had lodged a grievance against > > > > Kaiser and won. Has anyone here heard that? Just curious. > > > > --On Angel Wings > > > > > > > > > > The 10% rule weeds out the ones that aren't serious about having WLS, > also it makes having surgery much easier and safer, I had to lose > 100#, i did it in two months, yes two months. Having that rule > motivated me into losing the weight and reclaiming my life, along with > the staff pissing me off (challenging me)that i would not lose the weight. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I am in agreement that you shouldn't be trying to figure out ways of getting out of having to lose the 10% just to get the surgery quicker. When you start the 1200 CALORIE MEAL PLAN you are forming bases of the way that you are going to be eating for the rest of your life. Everyone is thinks that they are just so ready to start their new life and deal with the new lifestyle of not eating junk food but yet they are not willing to take the time to prepare for the new lifestyle that they are about to enter. You have had a lifetime of eating the wrong way and eating the wrong things. It takes time to stop doing those things. Also by losing the 10 % it removes some of that fat that is stored around your organs. There are so many advantages in losing the weight before surgery. Most of all everyone has to remember that the surgery is only a tool. The work is still up to us before and after. Ramona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Well said, Tim. For me, it turned out I had to lose more weight because I was only cleared for a lap procedure, due to my cardiac status (I had a heart attack a few years ago). Obviously, this made recovery much easier. Randy > > > > > > > > > > Someone on the Obesity Help board said that Kaiser in So. Cal > had > > > > > lifted the 10% loss rule. Someone had lodged a grievance > against > > > > > Kaiser and won. Has anyone here heard that? Just curious. > > > > > --On Angel Wings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10% rule weeds out the ones that aren't serious about having > WLS, > > also it makes having surgery much easier and safer, I had to lose > > 100#, i did it in two months, yes two months. Having that rule > > motivated me into losing the weight and reclaiming my life, along > with > > the staff pissing me off (challenging me)that i would not lose the > weight. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I too agree. Even though it may be a frustrating process and it can feel like it is taking forever, it seems to be so worth the effort. I am still in the begining stages of this journey and I definetly understand the desire to get all the appointments done now and not have to lose what may seem like an enormous amount of weight, especially when I have failed at weight loss so many times before. But the requirements are in place for a reason. This is a major undertaking that requires huge life changes and commitments. I have met several people that have gone through WLS without having to take classes or lose weight and their results have not been good. Because they did not take the time to learn new skills and a new way of living they were unable to maintain the wieght loss. These " rules " are for our benefit and will help us be healthier during surgery and have better success in the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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