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thanks for the info. Its fun that you say high carb during pregnancy because

I would always ask the doctor if my eating had anything to do with it. Until

I found out I was having problems in pregnancy I was only eating pasta and

vegetables. I would have meat maybe once a month, no dairy I'm lactose

intolerant. When I found out at 5 months there were problems I started

eating everything except seafood. My son is 3 and he loves pasta and I

constantly feed it to him assuming he'll burn threw it and be hungry again.

The things you said are very interesting and I am going to by the book.

Where is this doctor you see? You say your child is on GH. How long? How big

was she when she started? At what age? Where on the charts? And how big is

she now? On the charts? Any side effects?

Insulin Resistance and Carbohydrates

>

>

> During the past year my daughter's new doctor has done a great

> job

> with her growth and this was accomplished while he reduced growth

> hormone injections. Only recently did I begin to understand and

> appreciate his methodology which can be best explained in a book he

> recommended. In kind, I highly suggest that parents read " Life

> Without Bread " by Christian Allan PhD and Wolfgang Lutz MD.

>

> The book focuses on high carbohydrate diets (both simple and

> complex) that can interfere with hormones, such as insulin and

> growth hormone. Such a diet can lead to failure to thrive during

> pregnancy or after birth. Dr Lutz refers to studies that show when

> to much fruit juice is consumed it can result in stunted children.

>

> In another section Dr Lutz states that " the very thin

> carbohydrate

> eater usually has very little muscle with slight bone structure.

> These people tend to burn the excess energy from the overeating of

> carbohydrates, instead of storing it into adipose (fat) tissue as is

> the case in the obese/overweight body type. On the surface, this

> burning of energy would seem a good thing, and very thin people

> often have an enhanced energy profile. This is only true, however,

> if a constant supply of carbohydrates is available. The thin

> carbohydrate eater cannot afford to even delay a meal.

> Metabolically, they are probably not too different than the

> overweight carbohydrate eater. Thin people will often experience

> low blood sugar episodes because they are still faced with the

> fundamental problem associated with eating too many carbohydrates:

> insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia " .

>

> Dr Lutz then states that the low-carbohydrate program he recommends

> will " augment the anabolic processes that contribute to increased

> body mass in the form of bone density, muscle, and connective

> tissue. But the underweight person must be diligent. It takes some

> time to see the benefit of weight gain. Usually thin people

> experience a loss of weight during the first few months on the

> diet. This eventually gives way to increased body mass as the

> production of growth hormone eventually increases, and nutrients

> needed to build tissue (fat and protein) are consumed. "

>

> My best to all and hope you take the time to read this enlightening

> book, it has worked for us.

>

> Beth

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Hi Debbie

I also ate a fair amount of carbohydrates during pregnancy. My

daughter used to be a pasta and bagel lover, but the doctor cut them

out since they raise insulin levels. To make a long story short

about our doctor, I was at a conference sponsored by the Waldorf

School and heard the most intriguing presentation by Cowan

MD. He covered many issues from the Life Without Bread book that

made so much sense, it just wowed me (he is very unassuming and

laidback). Cowan is considered to be a leading expert in this

emerging field, so I spoke with him about treating my daughter but

unfortunately he resides in San Francisco. However, he recommended

the doctor we see, MD, who is very good but is not

accepting new patients at this time. If at all possible, Cowan is

the one to see (). The other one that he mentioned

practices on the east coast; Ron Schmid ND. I believe his office is

in Connecticut or New York. I can try to find his phone number and

post it later.

We just moved into our new home, so needless to say I'm

overwhelmed

by a sea of boxes that weren't marked (my hubby is the culprit).

I

can't find med files yet but can give you a pretty good

indication

by memory on GH, height and side affects. started GH

around age 4. A year ago, at age 5, she was 39 inches when her GH

was tapered off and has since grown about 3 1/2+ inches. Side

affects, included an initial period of a few months where she lost a

little weight, but the doctor convinced us to tough it out while her

metabolism made the transition to more good fats and protein diet.

He likened it to somewhat like eliminating an addictive drug. To

quote the book, `The disappearance of hyperinsulinism on the low-

carbohydrate diet removes one of the reasons why such patients ate

at all--their hypoglycemia. Generally, thin individuals are driven

to eat by low blood sugar, not by a general hunger'.

Another side affect was constipation. After a short period this

cleared up since some muscular aspect of the intestine recovered and

hormones were rebalanced. I know putting on weight is needed for

growth, but more importantly you first need to control insulin

levels with a lower carbohydrate diet. Then after a short period,

weight and muscle increase along with height. Much of this is

covered in the book.

Some of benefits our whole family experienced with this forced

change in eating habits were; my hubby's blood pressure and

weight

declined quit a bit, more energy, not getting sick nearly as

frequently, warmer hands, along with other positive results.

More some other time, got to run, late as usual.

Beth

> thanks for the info. Its fun that you say high carb during

pregnancy because

> I would always ask the doctor if my eating had anything to do with

it. Until

> I found out I was having problems in pregnancy I was only eating

pasta and

> vegetables. I would have meat maybe once a month, no dairy I'm

lactose

> intolerant. When I found out at 5 months there were problems I

started

> eating everything except seafood. My son is 3 and he loves pasta

and I

> constantly feed it to him assuming he'll burn threw it and be

hungry again.

> The things you said are very interesting and I am going to by the

book.

> Where is this doctor you see? You say your child is on GH. How

long? How big

> was she when she started? At what age? Where on the charts? And

how big is

> she now? On the charts? Any side effects?

> Insulin Resistance and Carbohydrates

>

>

> >

> >

> > During the past year my daughter's new doctor has done a great

> > job

> > with her growth and this was accomplished while he reduced growth

> > hormone injections. Only recently did I begin to understand and

> > appreciate his methodology which can be best explained in a book

he

> > recommended. In kind, I highly suggest that parents read " Life

> > Without Bread " by Christian Allan PhD and Wolfgang Lutz MD.

> >

> > The book focuses on high carbohydrate diets (both simple and

> > complex) that can interfere with hormones, such as insulin and

> > growth hormone. Such a diet can lead to failure to thrive during

> > pregnancy or after birth. Dr Lutz refers to studies that show

when

> > to much fruit juice is consumed it can result in stunted

children.

> >

> > In another section Dr Lutz states that " the very thin

> > carbohydrate

> > eater usually has very little muscle with slight bone structure.

> > These people tend to burn the excess energy from the overeating

of

> > carbohydrates, instead of storing it into adipose (fat) tissue

as is

> > the case in the obese/overweight body type. On the surface, this

> > burning of energy would seem a good thing, and very thin people

> > often have an enhanced energy profile. This is only true,

however,

> > if a constant supply of carbohydrates is available. The thin

> > carbohydrate eater cannot afford to even delay a meal.

> > Metabolically, they are probably not too different than the

> > overweight carbohydrate eater. Thin people will often experience

> > low blood sugar episodes because they are still faced with the

> > fundamental problem associated with eating too many

carbohydrates:

> > insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia " .

> >

> > Dr Lutz then states that the low-carbohydrate program he

recommends

> > will " augment the anabolic processes that contribute to increased

> > body mass in the form of bone density, muscle, and connective

> > tissue. But the underweight person must be diligent. It takes

some

> > time to see the benefit of weight gain. Usually thin people

> > experience a loss of weight during the first few months on the

> > diet. This eventually gives way to increased body mass as the

> > production of growth hormone eventually increases, and nutrients

> > needed to build tissue (fat and protein) are consumed. "

> >

> > My best to all and hope you take the time to read this

enlightening

> > book, it has worked for us.

> >

> > Beth

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Thank you for all the info. I rushed out to by the book but Borders didn't

have it so I ordered it. It should be coming any day now. If you get a

chance can you look up how much she grew that first year she was on GH.

Thanks again for the info. Good luck with your move.

Insulin Resistance and Carbohydrates

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > During the past year my daughter's new doctor has done a great

> > > job

> > > with her growth and this was accomplished while he reduced growth

> > > hormone injections. Only recently did I begin to understand and

> > > appreciate his methodology which can be best explained in a book

> he

> > > recommended. In kind, I highly suggest that parents read " Life

> > > Without Bread " by Christian Allan PhD and Wolfgang Lutz MD.

> > >

> > > The book focuses on high carbohydrate diets (both simple and

> > > complex) that can interfere with hormones, such as insulin and

> > > growth hormone. Such a diet can lead to failure to thrive during

> > > pregnancy or after birth. Dr Lutz refers to studies that show

> when

> > > to much fruit juice is consumed it can result in stunted

> children.

> > >

> > > In another section Dr Lutz states that " the very thin

> > > carbohydrate

> > > eater usually has very little muscle with slight bone structure.

> > > These people tend to burn the excess energy from the overeating

> of

> > > carbohydrates, instead of storing it into adipose (fat) tissue

> as is

> > > the case in the obese/overweight body type. On the surface, this

> > > burning of energy would seem a good thing, and very thin people

> > > often have an enhanced energy profile. This is only true,

> however,

> > > if a constant supply of carbohydrates is available. The thin

> > > carbohydrate eater cannot afford to even delay a meal.

> > > Metabolically, they are probably not too different than the

> > > overweight carbohydrate eater. Thin people will often experience

> > > low blood sugar episodes because they are still faced with the

> > > fundamental problem associated with eating too many

> carbohydrates:

> > > insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia " .

> > >

> > > Dr Lutz then states that the low-carbohydrate program he

> recommends

> > > will " augment the anabolic processes that contribute to increased

> > > body mass in the form of bone density, muscle, and connective

> > > tissue. But the underweight person must be diligent. It takes

> some

> > > time to see the benefit of weight gain. Usually thin people

> > > experience a loss of weight during the first few months on the

> > > diet. This eventually gives way to increased body mass as the

> > > production of growth hormone eventually increases, and nutrients

> > > needed to build tissue (fat and protein) are consumed. "

> > >

> > > My best to all and hope you take the time to read this

> enlightening

> > > book, it has worked for us.

> > >

> > > Beth

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Debbie,

I found Ron Schmid's phone number , Middleburry, CT.

My daughter grew about 2 1/2 inches on GH. I should mention that

for the first couple months on the new diet she grew very little and

then increased, the past 9-10 months is where she got most of the 3

1/2+ inches.

Beth

> > > thanks for the info. Its fun that you say high carb during

> > pregnancy because

> > > I would always ask the doctor if my eating had anything to do

with

> > it. Until

> > > I found out I was having problems in pregnancy I was only

eating

> > pasta and

> > > vegetables. I would have meat maybe once a month, no dairy I'm

> > lactose

> > > intolerant. When I found out at 5 months there were problems I

> > started

> > > eating everything except seafood. My son is 3 and he loves

pasta

> > and I

> > > constantly feed it to him assuming he'll burn threw it and be

> > hungry again.

> > > The things you said are very interesting and I am going to by

the

> > book.

> > > Where is this doctor you see? You say your child is on GH. How

> > long? How big

> > > was she when she started? At what age? Where on the charts? And

> > how big is

> > > she now? On the charts? Any side effects?

> > > Insulin Resistance and Carbohydrates

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > During the past year my daughter's new doctor has done a

great

> > > > job

> > > > with her growth and this was accomplished while he reduced

growth

> > > > hormone injections. Only recently did I begin to understand

and

> > > > appreciate his methodology which can be best explained in a

book

> > he

> > > > recommended. In kind, I highly suggest that parents

read " Life

> > > > Without Bread " by Christian Allan PhD and Wolfgang Lutz MD.

> > > >

> > > > The book focuses on high carbohydrate diets (both simple and

> > > > complex) that can interfere with hormones, such as insulin

and

> > > > growth hormone. Such a diet can lead to failure to thrive

during

> > > > pregnancy or after birth. Dr Lutz refers to studies that

show

> > when

> > > > to much fruit juice is consumed it can result in stunted

> > children.

> > > >

> > > > In another section Dr Lutz states that " the very thin

> > > > carbohydrate

> > > > eater usually has very little muscle with slight bone

structure.

> > > > These people tend to burn the excess energy from the

overeating

> > of

> > > > carbohydrates, instead of storing it into adipose (fat)

tissue

> > as is

> > > > the case in the obese/overweight body type. On the surface,

this

> > > > burning of energy would seem a good thing, and very thin

people

> > > > often have an enhanced energy profile. This is only true,

> > however,

> > > > if a constant supply of carbohydrates is available. The thin

> > > > carbohydrate eater cannot afford to even delay a meal.

> > > > Metabolically, they are probably not too different than the

> > > > overweight carbohydrate eater. Thin people will often

experience

> > > > low blood sugar episodes because they are still faced with

the

> > > > fundamental problem associated with eating too many

> > carbohydrates:

> > > > insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia " .

> > > >

> > > > Dr Lutz then states that the low-carbohydrate program he

> > recommends

> > > > will " augment the anabolic processes that contribute to

increased

> > > > body mass in the form of bone density, muscle, and connective

> > > > tissue. But the underweight person must be diligent. It

takes

> > some

> > > > time to see the benefit of weight gain. Usually thin people

> > > > experience a loss of weight during the first few months on

the

> > > > diet. This eventually gives way to increased body mass as

the

> > > > production of growth hormone eventually increases, and

nutrients

> > > > needed to build tissue (fat and protein) are consumed. "

> > > >

> > > > My best to all and hope you take the time to read this

> > enlightening

> > > > book, it has worked for us.

> > > >

> > > > Beth

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Beth

I see that high quality fats are an important part of your

daughter's diet. This is somewhat similar as to what my endo wants

us to do. The endo wants us to focus on fats that contain omega 3

fatty acids, plus olive and coconut oil. Since a large amout of fat

in the diet comes from meats (beef, chicken), he recommends that we

buy meats that are not just organic but also have only been feed on

grass from the pasture. We are not perfect with approach, but we try

hard to be as consistant as possible.

Pastured animals have much higher omega 3 levels than pended-up,

disease ridden, hormone injected animals which eat an unnatural diet

of corn and other grains. The milk he wants us to drink is NOT

pasteurized to make certain we get active enzymes that can not be

found in pasteurized milk. The best thing we found was raw cream

which can be more tolerated for those who are allergic to milk.

I'm ordering the book you recommended. Thanks

Jean

> thanks for the info. Its fun that you say high carb during

pregnancy because

> I would always ask the doctor if my eating had anything to do with

it. Until

> I found out I was having problems in pregnancy I was only eating

pasta and

> vegetables. I would have meat maybe once a month, no dairy I'm

lactose

> intolerant. When I found out at 5 months there were problems I

started

> eating everything except seafood. My son is 3 and he loves pasta

and I

> constantly feed it to him assuming he'll burn threw it and be

hungry again.

> The things you said are very interesting and I am going to by the

book.

> Where is this doctor you see? You say your child is on GH. How

long? How big

> was she when she started? At what age? Where on the charts? And

how big is

> she now? On the charts? Any side effects?

> Insulin Resistance and Carbohydrates

>

>

> >

> >

> > During the past year my daughter's new doctor has done a great

> > job

> > with her growth and this was accomplished while he reduced growth

> > hormone injections. Only recently did I begin to understand and

> > appreciate his methodology which can be best explained in a book

he

> > recommended. In kind, I highly suggest that parents read " Life

> > Without Bread " by Christian Allan PhD and Wolfgang Lutz MD.

> >

> > The book focuses on high carbohydrate diets (both simple and

> > complex) that can interfere with hormones, such as insulin and

> > growth hormone. Such a diet can lead to failure to thrive during

> > pregnancy or after birth. Dr Lutz refers to studies that show

when

> > to much fruit juice is consumed it can result in stunted

children.

> >

> > In another section Dr Lutz states that " the very thin

> > carbohydrate

> > eater usually has very little muscle with slight bone structure.

> > These people tend to burn the excess energy from the overeating

of

> > carbohydrates, instead of storing it into adipose (fat) tissue

as is

> > the case in the obese/overweight body type. On the surface, this

> > burning of energy would seem a good thing, and very thin people

> > often have an enhanced energy profile. This is only true,

however,

> > if a constant supply of carbohydrates is available. The thin

> > carbohydrate eater cannot afford to even delay a meal.

> > Metabolically, they are probably not too different than the

> > overweight carbohydrate eater. Thin people will often experience

> > low blood sugar episodes because they are still faced with the

> > fundamental problem associated with eating too many

carbohydrates:

> > insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia " .

> >

> > Dr Lutz then states that the low-carbohydrate program he

recommends

> > will " augment the anabolic processes that contribute to increased

> > body mass in the form of bone density, muscle, and connective

> > tissue. But the underweight person must be diligent. It takes

some

> > time to see the benefit of weight gain. Usually thin people

> > experience a loss of weight during the first few months on the

> > diet. This eventually gives way to increased body mass as the

> > production of growth hormone eventually increases, and nutrients

> > needed to build tissue (fat and protein) are consumed. "

> >

> > My best to all and hope you take the time to read this

enlightening

> > book, it has worked for us.

> >

> > Beth

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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