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In a message dated 10/16/01 2:36:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

duodenalswitch writes:

> > You ever want to passively avoid (i.e., ignore) something and

> > then get the feeling that the gods aren't going to let you?

> > Well...here I am debating to myself what and when to tell Mom

> > and lo and behold I get a call today and it's " I'll be out there

> next

>

,

I am Polly(42) pre-op 338 lbs. and I have been overweight all my life. The

problems I have had with my Mother about diets goes back at least 30 years. I

didn't want to tell her about the surgery as she always was so negative about

all my failed attempts. I researched the surgeries, decided on the DS, then I

told her. I was ready with information for her attack yet she was different.

She said she will not worry about the surgery anymore then she worries about

my weight. I was relieved to hear this. i hope your experience with telling

your mother is just as good. Polly

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In a message dated 10/16/01 2:36:27 AM, duodenalswitch writes:

<<

2) Communicate, communicate, communicate.

>>

Amy: This is so true but I would also add: Communication is a TWO WAY

STREET. If your partner is NOT interested in communicating, then all the

communication in the world and love won't make things better!

In fact, I've discovered that there are people out there (my husband being

one of them) who do NOT like to communicate -- it is extremely uncomfortable

for them and they would rather have things unsaid, unclear and swept under

the rug. At least then there's a modicum of propriety and normality whereas

communication involves being honest, listening, compromise and adjustment.

It is extremely dynamic (as relationship should be). Some people are just

too afraid to move ahead and would prefer to have things stay stagnant and

the same. :(

So, communicate -- but if it isn't being reciprocated, then this is a serious

red flag!

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

almost 9 months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 213 lbs ????

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I agree completely!

We certainly can't force a non-communicator to communicate, but, the

non-communicator can't force us to stick around either. I know I'm

way too old to play games in relationships, and to me, an inability

to discuss issues in a civil manner is unacceptable to me.

As I move forward and begin new relationships with my shell

removed...I'll be paying close attention to communication!

Amy

> Amy: This is so true but I would also add: Communication is a TWO

WAY

> STREET. If your partner is NOT interested in communicating, then

all the

> communication in the world and love won't make things better!

>

> In fact, I've discovered that there are people out there (my

husband being

> one of them) who do NOT like to communicate -- it is extremely

uncomfortable

> for them and they would rather have things unsaid, unclear and

swept under

> the rug. At least then there's a modicum of propriety and

normality whereas

> communication involves being honest, listening, compromise and

adjustment.

> It is extremely dynamic (as relationship should be). Some people

are just

> too afraid to move ahead and would prefer to have things stay

stagnant and

> the same. :(

>

> So, communicate -- but if it isn't being reciprocated, then this is

a serious

> red flag!

>

> all the best,

>

> lap ds with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

> Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

>

> almost 9 months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

>

> preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> now: 213 lbs ????

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> ,

>

> I agree completely!

>

> We certainly can't force a non-communicator to communicate, but, the

> non-communicator can't force us to stick around either. I know I'm

> way too old to play games in relationships, and to me, an inability

> to discuss issues in a civil manner is unacceptable to me.

>

> As I move forward and begin new relationships with my shell

> removed...I'll be paying close attention to communication!

>

>

> Amy

>

Being Mo all my life and learning that fat girls don't get boyfriends,

I ended up married to the one and only relationship I ever had. At 38,

I found myself single and the heaviest weight I had ever been, and

driving down the road with every thing I owned in the back of my van.

In the three years since I have been on my own I have found the courage

to know I can make my dreams come true, the patients to see my goals

fulfilled, and the strength to overcome obstacles.

I am 30-40 pounds from goal, I own my own cute little home (which I am

building on a master bedroom and bathroom suite) and I have a wonderful

job. There is only one mountain left to climb, one ocean left to cross

and that is intimacy, all I can say is WHAT ARE YOU NUTS!

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Nuts about what?

Seems like a pretty healthy topic thread to me...

> > ,

> >

> > I agree completely!

> >

> > We certainly can't force a non-communicator to communicate, but,

the

> > non-communicator can't force us to stick around either. I know

I'm

> > way too old to play games in relationships, and to me, an

inability

> > to discuss issues in a civil manner is unacceptable to me.

> >

> > As I move forward and begin new relationships with my shell

> > removed...I'll be paying close attention to communication!

> >

> >

> > Amy

> >

> Being Mo all my life and learning that fat girls don't get

boyfriends,

> I ended up married to the one and only relationship I ever had. At

38,

> I found myself single and the heaviest weight I had ever been, and

> driving down the road with every thing I owned in the back of my

van.

> In the three years since I have been on my own I have found the

courage

> to know I can make my dreams come true, the patients to see my

goals

> fulfilled, and the strength to overcome obstacles.

>

> I am 30-40 pounds from goal, I own my own cute little home (which I

am

> building on a master bedroom and bathroom suite) and I have a

wonderful

> job. There is only one mountain left to climb, one ocean left to

cross

> and that is intimacy, all I can say is WHAT ARE YOU NUTS!

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I had the same experience! When I finally worked up the nerve to tell

her, My negative, hypercritical mom thought it was a great idea! Of

course now she keeps saying I should just control myself, but she

hasn't tried to talk me out of it. When she said I should diet until

surgery, I laughed and said everyone always eats everything in sight

until the big day-- " Can't you understand that? " She had no response

to that! Laughing at their silly notions seems to work pretty well!

Chris

> In a message dated 10/16/01 2:36:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> duodenalswitch@y... writes:

>

>

> > > You ever want to passively avoid (i.e., ignore) something and

> > > then get the feeling that the gods aren't going to let you?

> > > Well...here I am debating to myself what and when to tell Mom

> > > and lo and behold I get a call today and it's " I'll be out

there

> > next

> >

>

> ,

> I am Polly(42) pre-op 338 lbs. and I have been overweight all my

life. The

> problems I have had with my Mother about diets goes back at least

30 years. I

> didn't want to tell her about the surgery as she always was so

negative about

> all my failed attempts. I researched the surgeries, decided on the

DS, then I

> told her. I was ready with information for her attack yet she was

different.

> She said she will not worry about the surgery anymore then she

worries about

> my weight. I was relieved to hear this. i hope your experience

with telling

> your mother is just as good. Polly

>

>

>

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I'd like to know too. It seemed to me you were on the same wavelength!

Chris

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I agree completely!

> > >

> > > We certainly can't force a non-communicator to communicate,

but,

> the

> > > non-communicator can't force us to stick around either. I know

> I'm

> > > way too old to play games in relationships, and to me, an

> inability

> > > to discuss issues in a civil manner is unacceptable to me.

> > >

> > > As I move forward and begin new relationships with my shell

> > > removed...I'll be paying close attention to communication!

> > >

> > >

> > > Amy

> > >

> > Being Mo all my life and learning that fat girls don't get

> boyfriends,

> > I ended up married to the one and only relationship I ever had.

At

> 38,

> > I found myself single and the heaviest weight I had ever been,

and

> > driving down the road with every thing I owned in the back of my

> van.

> > In the three years since I have been on my own I have found the

> courage

> > to know I can make my dreams come true, the patients to see my

> goals

> > fulfilled, and the strength to overcome obstacles.

> >

> > I am 30-40 pounds from goal, I own my own cute little home (which

I

> am

> > building on a master bedroom and bathroom suite) and I have a

> wonderful

> > job. There is only one mountain left to climb, one ocean left to

> cross

> > and that is intimacy, all I can say is WHAT ARE YOU NUTS!

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