Re: Question on Gas and Die-off

[Guest guest]

Can gas be associated with

die-off? I recently passed the one-year mark on SCD (and god, do I love

this diet!!) and decided to add some supplements and new foods (nothing

too advanced). I tried to stagger everything, and seemed to be tolerating

things, but I ended up with increasingly bad gas, and then passed some

mucous. I pretty much quit everything, but am still having the gas, along

with some urgency issues, although my bms are trophys. I have increased

my garlic and ginger intake, however, and I've started gamma globulin

shots for my autoimmunity issues. I've actually been feeling a little

better, so I'm wondering if perhaps the gas is a positive, signalling

die-off. Or perhaps just a shift in the bacteria/yeast populations.

Gas frequently indicates those wretched Bad Buggies are kicking up their

heels and having a party.

What supplements did you add? And did you check all the so-called

inactive ingredients in your supplements? Which supplements did you add?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Ellen,

It can be either one of those things. Not really sure how the IGG can be with

your gut.

Gas usually means fermentation to me. Could be you were not processing all of

the supplements optimally.

Just proceed with caution and perhaps microdose?

Sometimes when we have too many things in the mix it can confuse us as to what

is teh culprit.

Jodi

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Can gas be associated with die-off? I recently passed the one-year mark on

SCD (and god, do I love this diet!!) and decided to add some supplements and new

foods (nothing too advanced). I tried to stagger everything, and seemed to be

tolerating things, but I ended up with increasingly bad gas, and then passed

some mucous. I pretty much quit everything, but am still having the gas, along

with some urgency issues, although my bms are trophys. I have increased my

garlic and ginger intake, however, and I've started gamma globulin shots for my

autoimmunity issues. I've actually been feeling a little better, so I'm

wondering if perhaps the gas is a positive, signalling die-off. Or perhaps just

a shift in the bacteria/yeast populations.

>

> Any advice is appreciated.

>

> Ellen

>

[Guest guest]

btw, why is that?? doesn't sharper mean aged longer and don't we want that??

eileen

>

> >

> >

> > Those Bad Bugs...they love to disco, they love to party. And my fear is

> > this gas, which I had really bad before SCD but that went away completely on

> > SCD, signals some sort of set back. I had started taking Theramedix SPS-30,

> > Body Bio Mineral (on Kim M's recommendation), Klaire Labs Sac B (which is

> > SCD-legal), Cell Power, and (here is possibly the problem) milk thistle

> > extract. The gas continued for a week after stopping everything, but I

> > noticed that today was much better, so perhaps the worst of it has passed. I

> > has also re-started very small amounts of cheese, which I haven't eaten in

> > six months, only to notice that I was eating sharp cheddar, which is

> > illegal. So perhaps another contributor to my gas. Maybe I'll go back to

> > intro for a few days...and review everything I am eating.

> >

> > Jodi, it's very interesting on the gamma. I've taken two shots now, and

> > both times I had immediate naseau and burning in my stomach. And I felt very

> > bad for a few days after both shots, although less bad after the second. I

> > take this to mean that my immune system responded enough to the gamma to not

> > only attack my viruses, but also the Baddies in my stomach.

> >

> > As always, thanks for the advice.

> >

> > Ellen

> >

> > > Gas frequently indicates those wretched Bad

> > > Buggies are kicking up their heels and having a party.

> > >

> > > What supplements did you add? And did you check

> > > all the so-called inactive ingredients in your

> > > supplements? Which supplements did you add?

> > >

> > >

> > > — Marilyn

> > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> > > Darn Good SCD Cook

> > > No Human Children

> > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> > > Babette the Foundling Beagle

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> btw, why is that?? doesn't sharper mean aged longer and don't we want > that??> eileenYes, exactly. The older the cheese, the sharper, and the less chance there's residual lactose in it.Some people still have trouble with cheese anyway (but then it's probably the casein, not the lactose, that's the problem), and cheddar may be "advanced" for them.n ______________________________A funny, touching gift book for cat lovers. Signed copies, free shipping (U.S., reduced elsewhere): Confessions of  a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addiction by n Van Til www.wordpowerpublishing.com  

[Guest guest]

I ran this one past my nurse friend because I also thought the aged

cheddar ought to be better. She said yes, as far as remaining

lactose concerns, but that her guess would be the aged stuff might veer

toward a bit of mold, which of course is another consideration. Oh

well, I love all cheddars! In fact, just getting cheese back after 28

years I love them all!

Yes, exactly. The older the cheese, the sharper, and the less chance there's residual lactose in it.

Some people still have trouble with cheese anyway (but then it's

probably the casein, not the lactose, that's the problem), and cheddar may be " advanced " for them.

n

[Guest guest]

,Virgin coconut oil! It will help with the yeast and while also giving you fantastically good fats and calories. Also put lots of good butter on everything you can think of (butter made from the cream of grass fed cows).AmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 9:28:38

PMSubject: Re: Re: Question on Gas and Die-off

Which cheeses tend to be easiest on the gut aside from DCCC? I used to eat Havarti and cheddar all the time without a problem until I discovered they were tougher to handle after my flare -- I'm guessing due to the candida as well, I need to take some time off, but I need to get more fats in my diet. I'm losing body fat while retaining muscle, but I do look noticeably slimmer according to people who know me.Right now my veggies include tomatoes, lettuce, broccoli, asparagus and avocados. How can I get some fats in my diet without complicating candida? Fruits right now aren't sitting too well, but I do notice a big

improvement in health. I only recently identified the yeast problem. I'm waiting to receive some almondie digestive wellness butter. Anything

else?

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Freeda Vitamins, L. Acidophilus, Cod Liver Oil--- On Wed, 4/7/10, My-Stitches <My-Stitches@ comcast.net> wrote

Yes, exactly. The older the cheese, the sharper, and the less chance there's residual lactose in it.

Some people still have trouble with cheese anyway (but then it's

probably the casein, not the lactose, that's the problem), and cheddar may be "advanced" for them.

n

[Guest guest]

Can you handle olive oil? Butter or ghee? All these can be

added to many things

How can I get some fats in my diet without complicating candida?

[Guest guest]

By the way, can those fats from butter, olive oil and coconut oil help put on weight and curb hunger?

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Lialda, Purinethol

Freeda Vitamins, L. Acidophilus, Cod Liver OilSubject: Re: Question on Gas and Die-offTo: BTVC-SCD Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:30 AM

Can you handle olive oil? Butter or ghee? All these can be

added to many things

How can I get some fats in my diet without complicating candida?

[Guest guest]

,Yes. AmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 2:43:39 PMSubject: Re: Re: Question on Gas and Die-off

By the way, can those fats from butter, olive oil and coconut oil help put on weight and curb hunger?

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SCD 5 months

Lialda, Purinethol

Freeda Vitamins, L. Acidophilus, Cod Liver OilFrom: My-Stitches <My-Stitches@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: Question on Gas and Die-offTo: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.comDate: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:30 AM

Can you handle olive oil? Butter or ghee? All these can be

added to many things

How can I get some fats in my diet without complicating candida?

[Guest guest]

I think someone either here or on the UK site mentioned an article or other that said fats aren't metabolised ( or not fullly metabolised) unless taken with carbs. Meaning, weight gain doesn't happen unless fat and carbs are mixed at same meal, I think. Anyway, the fruit and vegg on SCD would definitely give carbs, just way less than SAD.AmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu,

April 8, 2010 6:16:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: Question on Gas and Die-off

> ,>> Yes.>> Amelia>They definitely curb hunger. They do not necessarily put on weight. They certainly don't for me.Carbs put on weight far more than fats do. n>By the way, can those fats from butter, olive oil and coconut oil help > put on weight and curb hunger?>> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________- Now available. A fine gift for cat lovers:Confessions of a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addictionby n Van Tilwww.wordpowerpublishing.com ; signed copies; free shipping in U.S., reduced shipping elsewhere

[Guest guest]

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I would suggest sneaking the additional fats in slowly, bit by bit.

In other words, don't overwhelm your system with dramatic changes.

Also, not trying to make life harder for you, but as you keep your diary

(which you ARE doing, right?) pay a bit of attention to the time of day

you eat things. It's taken me til now (almost 9 months) to be able

to even consider anything but fruit before 11AM. I know that's weird for

IBS but that's the way it's been with me. And I can't eat anything

but a bit of fruit at bedtime, not if I want a chance to sleep

well. But this is just me. Others find a different pattern

that works for them and you need to find yours.

Yes, I can handle them. I don't know what I ate yesterday, but

I woke up with gassy, mushy BM's which I haven't had all week. I

was so hungry at one point I ate a banana, earlier yesterday had some

steamed, asparagus and broccoli too and a slice of havarti in the

morning.

I guess I just need to go back to the very basics since that is what

made my BM's easier to pass and solid. I'll just try adding olive

oil and butter to more meals. I can handle avocados too.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, foil it will be. Actually, I am munching so happily on cheese

that I have been slicing it and freezing most of it at a time. This slows

down my depradations slightly.

A good quality cheddar won't have mold. Though you do have to watch

it once you open the package. DON'T keep it in a sealed plastic bag;

that actually invites mold. It needs a slight bit of air, so keep the

original package around it and cover the open end with aluminum foil.

n

[Guest guest]

....Oh well, I love all cheddars! In fact, just getting> cheese back after 28 years I love them all!> , why did you not eat them for 28 years?michelle

[Guest guest]

If you freeze the cheese, can it be in a plastic bag or does it still need air and foil?

 

Thanks,

Debbie 40 cd

[Guest guest]

> If you freeze the cheese, can it be in a plastic bag or does it still > need> air and foil?>> Thanks,> Debbie 40 cdPlastic bag.n-- Now available. A fine gift for cat lovers:Confessions of a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addictionby n Van Tilwww.wordpowerpublishing.com ; signed copies; free shipping in U.S., reduced shipping elsewhere

[Guest guest]

Because of the rather dramatic beginnings to my IBS etc. Over

Memorial Day 1982 I had a nasty flu, or thought I did. Something

went totally nuts with my system and I've never been healthy since and

had only gone downhill until I found SCD last July. I immediately

lost all animal products, whether meat, milk, cheese,eggs, fish,

you name it. And gluten. And nuts. I was OK for awhile (or so

I thought) with legumes so I had red beans and rice, black-eyed peas and

cornbread, etc. Then corn went out. Then nightshade. Then

legumes, and after that I had 20 years with absolutely no protein and you

can imagine how much fun that was, especially trying to manage

hypoglycemia, too. Just to make the whole period more fun, we had

the last illnesses and deaths of all our parents, we moved, I had surgery

a few times....

Anyhow, after having to avoid most foods all this time (and not knowing

rice was a bad guy) I was thrilled to find SCD. But to be honest, I

never really expected to get eggs and cheese back so it feels like a sort

of double bonus to get them back.

....Oh well, I love all cheddars! In fact, just getting

> cheese back after 28 years I love them all!

>

, why did you not eat them for 28 years?