Re: Re: REN!!

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--- MsMystic1@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/21/01 2:42:45 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> duodenalswitch writes:

> This is a total bunch of HOG WASH.

***Hello Carole,

First let me say that if you had read Marcia's

original text you would see that I was letting Marcia

know that Dr. Ren has made some changes since she had

her surgery with Dr. Ren.

>God, this whole thing makes my blood boil and to

> think that her patients take

> her side in all this and justify it! **

***I didn't know there were " sides " to be taken and

just because I respect her choice to do the work she

wants to, doesn't mean I agree with it. I really

don't appreciate being attacked for stating my

experience nor my opinions. I thought this

was a support group not a bash session. FYI, I to

agree that at this time I to feel that the BPD/DS is

the best surgery for me and that is why I am having it

next month but I must say I did alot of research to

get to this decision including watching Dr. Hess's

video.

>I know this because I just had my consult

> with Dr. Oakley of Dr Hess, the surgeon that

> developed the BPD//DS. First of

> all, Dr. Oakley and Dr. Hess (in his video) both

> explain why the Scorponio

> method DOES NOT WORK. Then they explain why their

> method is better.

****I would like to caution you though since it seems

to me that you put a lot of stock in just what one or

two doctors say. If you ask most doctors they will

tell you that there way is the best way. Advances in

medicine are not always the best way. I made that

mistake once myself and have live with the horrible

side effects every single day since then. See, I

mistakenly thought the FDA was here to protect us, I

learned the truth the hard way.

> Sounds like Ren can't do the surgery

**** Have you met Dr. Ren? I wasn't in her office 2

min. and new she cared. I have met a lot of Doctors,

not just as a nurse but as a patient these last 5

years. I have been to 34 different doctors and let me

tell you, not all of them treat you as a person or

could care less about you. Have you read Dr. Ren's

credentials? If you did then you already know that

she was involved with teaching of advanced Lap.

procedures and was also involved in refining the

technical details that lead to the first Lap. BPD/DS .

For further details of Dr. Ren's credentials go to

www.thinforlife.org. Or go to Hull's File below

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/duodenalswitch/files/Chris%20Hull%27s%20Folder/ear\

ly_results_bpd_ds.pdf

>>Sounds like Ren can't do the surgery

****Making comments like the one above is not only

useless but a direct intent to defame a doctor. Dr.

Ren stated to me that she was considering no longer

doing the BPD/DS and Of course she does offer other

types of WLS. I don't pretend to know why she has

decided this but I do understand that she has that

right.

>>>It is a travesty

****I think the bigger travesty is when someone joins

a support group and takes to Bashing other members. I

joined this group to learn what others have discovered

along there journey before and after surgery and to

help my peers by relating my experiences not to condem

and sling negative words and untruths.

****I am in know way affirming nor condemming any

doctors opinions on the different types of WLS. It

is up to the Patients to do the research to make good

sound medical choices. It only makes good reasoning

that when a person calls to make a consult appointment

it is up to them to find out if that surgeon does the

procedure they are looking for even if they have read

or heard that the doctor does what they are looking

for, because like all things in life Change happens

and often before the websites get updated.

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B 36yrs

Pre-op 11-13-01

Wt.308 BMI 49

BCBS of MI Blue Choice POS

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I wouldn't

> be so quick to defend him

> unless there was objective evidence that he was

> right.

****Nick,

DOes no one really read the texted. Because I

respect a persons right to do the job they want,that

is Defending them. WOW! I certainly have defended a

lot of people in my life if thats the case. The only

person I am defending is my self and what I have

stated. All I have said is that she has decided not

to do the DS anymore. DOes she not have the right to

do that? The last I knew, we all have that right.

Are doctors any different somehow?

***Are you under the impression that she is the only

doctor who has had a patient with complications, if so

you better check again.

It would be nice if all of you that jump on those who

posted lately about these Doctors changing procedures

put themselves in there position. Most people choose

the doctor they go to and learn all they can about

them before the consult then they wait months to get

in for the consult, When they get there the doctor

isn't no longer doing the procedure they went to them

for in the first place. I felt sorry for Lee Anne,

people jumped on her like she had did something wrong.

SHe was only posting her situation and some made it

look like she was an advocate for the BPD.

From my understanding, both of the surgeons who are

stopping doing the DS have done the DS successfully

many times. Why are they stopping? Ren talked about

the increased Lap. SURGICAL Risks. Reason Dr. P

isn't doing the DS I haven't a clue.

AS far as Ren's bedside manner, It only makes her a

better choice. I have talked with enough of Dr. Ren's

patients to feel comfortable with her doing my

surgery.

> I still don't understand why, if she thinks the lap

> procedure is

> problematic, doesn't she go to lap " assisted " or

> open?

>

****You'd have to ask her, I'm sure she has her

reasons. If you want to know why she isn't doing the

DS, email her. She usually answers within a day. go

to www.thinforlife.org and click on Dr. Ren and click

on contact Dr.

***WLS is a big step to take and is not one taken

without alot thought and research. Like I said

before, I thought I finally found a support group for

the DS and not a mud slinging, people bashing session.

I'm beginning to think this is like so many of the

other groups out there and only a select few are

allowed. That's To Bad.

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B 36yrs

Pre-op 11-13-01

Wt.308 BMI 49

BCBS of MI Blue Choice POS

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