Re: differences, philosophically speaking

[Guest guest]

lol!! from your fingertips to God's ears..it would be nice to have

some answers.

Sue.

> You know, there must be SOME way to predict who will be a good loser

> and who will not; who will have lactose intolerance and who will

not;

> who will need lots of additional supplements and who will not; who

> will have stinky, loose, and irregularly-timed BMs and who will not.

>

> I will not, cannot, believe that these are just random occurances.

> Nobody knows how your body will react until it happens? Science

does

> not work like that (for the most part; please no comments about

chaos

> theory!!). I bet that if some researcher or another interested in

> this surgery were to painstakingly document every pre-op and post-op

> kind of occurance, we could come up with some good information that

> might half-way predict who would be in for what. Especially if that

> person studied such aware and well-spoken individuals like the ones

> on this list.

>

> What do you think?????????

>

> Do any of you have any of these minor problems/inconvenient side

> effects that you IMAGINE might be tied to something that you know

> about yourself or a pre-op condition????????????

>

> For instance: " Yes, . I was a little on the low side of

the

> scale when it came to iron levels pre-operatively. I think that

> might be why I have such trouble now and have to take this

especially

> disgusting iron capsule. Come to think of it, all the other D/Sers

I

> know with iron problems were just like me pre-op . . . "

>

> For my part, I have made a deal with my body that it is not

> allowed " to pull any shit " after surgery: I will lose quickly; I

> will drink plenty of milk with " tolerance " ; I will do exceptionally

> well with a regular multi-vitamin; my poo won't stink or want to

come

> out during times not pre-authorized, and it must have a " regular "

and

> firm consistency. I've told this body of mine that if it gets any

> ideas about acting to the contrary, I will punish it by " pulling

> some " medieval-hairshirt-beatings-in-the-closet kind of thing. Who

> remembers Hawthorne? ;}

>

> Love to all,

>

[Guest guest]

,

I was thinking the same thing right before surgery. Granted at the time I was

also avidly interested in the Genome Project. I thinks its all in our

genes....As much as wer all the same the slight variations give us the infinite

outcomes. I think this also accounts for the difference such as two people can

weigh the same amount and be the same height and have there weight affect them

very differently. BTW your last paragraph gave me quite the chuckle. I was

telling myself the same thing before surgery afterwards I decided to go with the

flow.....LOL

Lisbeth

mkf5t@... wrote: You know, there must be SOME way to predict who will

be a good loser

and who will not; who will have lactose intolerance and who will not;

who will need lots of additional supplements and who will not; who

will have stinky, loose, and irregularly-timed BMs and who will not.

I will not, cannot, believe that these are just random occurances.

Nobody knows how your body will react until it happens? Science does

not work like that (for the most part; please no comments about chaos

theory!!). I bet that if some researcher or another interested in

this surgery were to painstakingly document every pre-op and post-op

kind of occurance, we could come up with some good information that

might half-way predict who would be in for what. Especially if that

person studied such aware and well-spoken individuals like the ones

on this list.

What do you think?????????

Do any of you have any of these minor problems/inconvenient side

effects that you IMAGINE might be tied to something that you know

about yourself or a pre-op condition????????????

For instance: " Yes, . I was a little on the low side of the

scale when it came to iron levels pre-operatively. I think that

might be why I have such trouble now and have to take this especially

disgusting iron capsule. Come to think of it, all the other D/Sers I

know with iron problems were just like me pre-op . . . "

For my part, I have made a deal with my body that it is not

allowed " to pull any shit " after surgery: I will lose quickly; I

will drink plenty of milk with " tolerance " ; I will do exceptionally

well with a regular multi-vitamin; my poo won't stink or want to come

out during times not pre-authorized, and it must have a " regular " and

firm consistency. I've told this body of mine that if it gets any

ideas about acting to the contrary, I will punish it by " pulling

some " medieval-hairshirt-beatings-in-the-closet kind of thing. Who

remembers Hawthorne? ;}

Love to all,

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[Guest guest]

At 2:45 PM +0000 10/26/01, mkf5t@... wrote:

>You know, there must be SOME way to predict who will be a good loser

>and who will not; who will have lactose intolerance and who will not;

>who will need lots of additional supplements and who will not; who

>will have stinky, loose, and irregularly-timed BMs and who will not.

>

>I will not, cannot, believe that these are just random occurances.

>Nobody knows how your body will react until it happens? ...

>

>Do any of you have any of these minor problems/inconvenient side

>effects that you IMAGINE might be tied to something that you know

>about yourself or a pre-op condition????????????

>

Yes, , my poo stinks. I think that I inherited that from my

father, because I can distinctly recall my mom always yelling at my

dad and telling my dad that he was a big stinker. I have a lactose

intolerance now. I did not have one before the surgery. I think

that happened because one of my over-zealous friends was swinging a

cow to get a good outcome for me--bad Karma, my friend! And, I am

losing weight slowly. That, undoubtedly, is because I have such big

feet (Size 13), and if I were to lose weight faster, I could get all

caught up in those feet if I were to try to run...or something. It

could also be an environmental thing: you see, I saved all those

clothes on the way up, so maybe I have to get them all dirty on the

way down, and that takes time...who knows ALL the mysteries of the

Universe? Now, I get a lot of gas, but that must be related to the

fermentation of the Bull$#!^ that I sling.

--Steve (switched in mind and body!)

--

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Before surgery I was highly iron deficient to the point my gyno

wanted to do a hysterectomy. (I didn't). I had high cholesterol,

high triglycerides, high blood pressure, vitamin deficient all

across the board. I was taking a daily multivitamin & calcium as

suggested by my doc.

After surgery, my iron levels have come up, my cholesterol has gone

down, along with my blood pressure and triglycerides. I still take

a multiviatamin & calcium.

Those are the " what's " . I'm not qualified to know the " why's. "

Anybody?

heidi

http://www.myWLS.com

[Guest guest]

Hi ;

I'm only going to address two questions.

It has ocurred to me that 'age at time of surgery' is a

factor that I've never seen addressed here. Yet, age

is a well known factor in simple dieting without the

surgery. As one reaches 30 years of age, it starts

becoming more difficult each year to lose weight.

Why should this be any different after WLS? I would

love to know the age of those who have had an

effortless time dropping their weight post surgery.

Before I had my surgery, I recall reading of others

who dropped 30 pounds a month, then 20 pounds

a month. That made me feel like a failure. I've just

now lost 48 pounds and it's been 15 weeks. That's

just 3.2 pounds per week average. I'm 49 years old.

If I factor in my 'advanced age' ;-} that's actually not

so bad.

So, I'm guessing that age absolutely effects how

quickly we lose and probably also, how vigilant we

must be in watching what we eat.

As to the lactose intolerance? If you have a parent or

a sibling who is already lactose intolerant, you can pretty

much take that as a giant hint that you will too. I was

lactose intolerant PRIOR to surgery, but do not seem

to suffer from it now. Go Figure! I still drink lactose-free

milk as a safe-guard.

gobo

Dr.

Lap DGB/(DS)

July 9, 2001

Starting Wt. 307

Current Wt. 259

> You know, there must be SOME way to predict who will be a good

loser

> and who will not; who will have lactose intolerance and who will

not;

>

> Love to all,

>

[Guest guest]

OK, I was going to respond with something that I would have hoped to

be equally witty, but your smart-assed power truly does exceed my

own, as evidenced particularly with your last sentence. I bow and

humbly submit to the master of smart-assedness.

Eternally yours,

> >You know, there must be SOME way to predict who will be a good

loser

> >and who will not; who will have lactose intolerance and who will

not;

> >who will need lots of additional supplements and who will not; who

> >will have stinky, loose, and irregularly-timed BMs and who will

not.

> >

> >I will not, cannot, believe that these are just random occurances.

> >Nobody knows how your body will react until it happens? ...

> >

> >Do any of you have any of these minor problems/inconvenient side

> >effects that you IMAGINE might be tied to something that you know

> >about yourself or a pre-op condition????????????

> >

> Yes, , my poo stinks. I think that I inherited that from

my

> father, because I can distinctly recall my mom always yelling at my

> dad and telling my dad that he was a big stinker. I have a lactose

> intolerance now. I did not have one before the surgery. I think

> that happened because one of my over-zealous friends was swinging a

> cow to get a good outcome for me--bad Karma, my friend! And, I am

> losing weight slowly. That, undoubtedly, is because I have such

big

> feet (Size 13), and if I were to lose weight faster, I could get

all

> caught up in those feet if I were to try to run...or something. It

> could also be an environmental thing: you see, I saved all those

> clothes on the way up, so maybe I have to get them all dirty on the

> way down, and that takes time...who knows ALL the mysteries of the

> Universe? Now, I get a lot of gas, but that must be related to

the

> fermentation of the Bull$#!^ that I sling.

>

> --Steve (switched in mind and body!)

> --

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . You gotta know when to fold . . . --Steve

At 7:19 PM +0000 10/26/01, mkf5t@... wrote:

>OK, I was going to respond with something that I would have hoped to

>be equally witty, but your smart-assed power truly does exceed my

>own, as evidenced particularly with your last sentence. I bow and

>humbly submit to the master of smart-assedness.

>Eternally yours,

>

>

>...Now, I get a lot of gas, but that must be related to

>the

>> fermentation of the Bull$#!^ that I sling.

>>

>> --Steve (switched in mind and body!)

> > --

--

[Guest guest]

I think it is a miracle that all DS post ops don't have lactose

intolerance (LI).

You may find many of your questions asnwered at the following sites:

The Lactose Intolerant Clearinghouse

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/welcome.htm

The NIH site about what LI is.

http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/digest/pubs/lactose/lactose.htm

National LI Page

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/4664/lactose.html

http://www.gastro.com/lactose.html

Digestive Diseases Information Clearinghouse

in Seattle

> You know, there must be SOME way to predict who will be a good

loser

> and who will not; who will have lactose intolerance and who will

not;