Re: Yogurt and night sweats

May 2, 2010

If you bake the cheese in the oven at 350 degrees, you are essentially pasteurizing it. It's better to cook the food, and then add the cheese to to it while it's still warm so that it melts that way. I know, I was bummed out about that too, as casseroles with melted cheese used to be a staple for me! Now, instead, I make the food and we serve the cheese shredded on the side to mix in with it. It's still yummy. Subject: Re: Yogurt and night sweatsTo: BTVC-SCD Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 4:50 PM

Until then we continue to enjoy our raw milk yogurt and cheeses. (when I make my yogurt, I omit the "sterilization" process.)I've been only having raw cheeses since I introduced them again, and I think I may be tolerating them better than the pasteurized ones. My question is: should I not eat the raw cheese melted or heated? I know it will destroy enzymes, but I'm wondering if heating the cheese would change the protein just like pasteurization does or not. I'm HOPING pasteurization is much more severe than just melting

cheese, because melted cheese is pretty darn yummy =)Thanks! Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC

April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

May 3, 2010

You folks in the U.S. are so fortunate if you can get your hands on raw milk. In Canada it is illegal and farmers that do sell it can actually go to prison. It is infuriating and a denial of our basic rights by government interference and suppression. For how many millenia have people been drinking raw milk??!! Anyway, if one can find a farmer out here and actually buy into a cow so that you have part ownership, then you can do as you wish with that milk. But how many of us have access to that? DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 10 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 3:17:33 PMSubject: Re: Yogurt and night sweats

For those who think they have dairy insensitivities, you might want to consider changing to only raw milk. Most people blame dairy for their problems, but most often it is the pasteurization process which changes the milk entirely into something that our bodies do not recognize and reject. Before beginning this diet even, we were able to tolerate raw milk, homemade icecream made with raw milk, raw milk kefir, raw milk yogurts and cheeses...you get the point well. It also has improved our allergies overall and improved my son's asthma. I know that liquid milk is not legal on this diet, but I think perhaps that only pasteurized milk was taken into consideration. Raw milk also has a much lower lactose content, because the enzymes in raw milk are alive so they consume a lot of the lactose before we even drink it. We are adhering to the diet's requirements of abstaining from liquid milk, (I thought that kefir was ok as

long as it was well tolerated) but we think that perhaps in time we might be able to add it back in. Until then we continue to enjoy our raw milk yogurt and cheeses. (when I make my yogurt, I omit the "sterilization" process.)Anyone interested in learning more about raw unpasteurized milk, this is a great place to start!http://www.westonap rice.org/

Just wanted to give an update to those who suffer from night sweats and eat milk yogurtâ€¦ 3 days after switching from milk yogurt to coconut yogurt, my night sweats stopped completely. I believe the reason is because of all the cowâ€™s hormones that are in the milk. I also am less constipated because of stopping milk yogurt.

GERDS and chronic C.

SCD 2 yrs

May 3, 2010

I've been only having raw cheeses since I introduced them again, and

I think I may be tolerating them better than the pasteurized ones. My question is: should I not eat the raw cheese melted or heated? I know it will destroy enzymes, but I'm wondering if heating the cheese

would change the protein just like pasteurization does or not. I'm HOPING pasteurization is much more severe than just melting cheese, because melted cheese is pretty darn yummy =)

Ayssa,

Melted cheese IS yummy, isn't it? I don't really know but I think

it should be OK, even if it kills a few good bacteria. It isn't as though

you are boiling it for awhile!

May 3, 2010

At 03:00 PM 5/2/2010, you wrote:

Just wanted to give an update to those who suffer from night sweats and

eat milk yogurt… 3 days after switching from milk yogurt to coconut

yogurt, my night sweats stopped completely. I believe the reason is

because of all the cow’s hormones that are in the milk. I also am

less constipated because of stopping milk

yogurt.

That might be the case for some -- but if people are using hormone-free

milk, that shouldn't be an issue.

I'm glad you got rid of your night sweats. I never had them through

menopause, even though I was having cow milk yogurt regularly. But after

my cancer surgery... yow! They're there whether or not I have

yogurt!

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

May 3, 2010

At 04:17 PM 5/2/2010, you wrote:

For those who think they have

dairy insensitivities, you might want to consider changing to only raw

milk. Most people blame dairy for their problems, but most often it

is the pasteurization process which changes the milk entirely into

something that our bodies do not recognize and reject. Before

beginning this diet even, we were able to tolerate raw milk, homemade

icecream made with raw milk, raw milk kefir, raw milk yogurts and

cheeses...you get the point well. It also has improved our allergies

overall and improved my son's asthma. I know that liquid milk is

not legal on this diet, but I think perhaps that only pasteurized milk

was taken into consideration. Raw milk also has a much lower lactose

content, because the enzymes in raw milk are alive so they consume a lot

of the lactose before we even drink it. We are adhering to the

diet's requirements of abstaining from liquid milk, (I thought that kefir

was ok as long as it was well tolerated) but we think that perhaps in

time we might be able to add it back in. Until then we continue to enjoy

our raw milk yogurt and cheeses. (when I make my yogurt, I omit the

" sterilization " process.)

While I'm all in favor of Real Milk, raw milk is not a good idea when

beginning SCD.

Our guts are screwed up, and the odd wild bacteria which might be

introduced if we do not pasteurize the milk can cause major

issues.

Elaine did take raw milk into consideration when she said no fluid

milk.

For that matter, raw milk was quite a bit more common in Dr. Haas' day,

and HE said no fluid milk.

Milk must be pasteurized and cooled before making SCD yogurt.

Later, after significant healing has taken place, it may be possible to

move in the direction of raw milk yogurt.

Please do not recommend that people violate the tenets of SCD.

You'll find that many of us have read quite a bit of the Weston Price

information, and reference it regularly. I myself am a supporting

member.

But milk MUST be pasteurized to make yogurt. And no fluid milk, raw or

pasteurized, is permitted.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

May 3, 2010

At 06:34 PM 5/2/2010, you wrote:

I guess I'm more worried about

the heat changing the casein into a protein that's much harder to

digest.

Remember that the process of fermenting the yogurt denatures the casein

into a much more easily digestible form, as well as getting rid of the

lactose.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

May 4, 2010

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm wrote:

At 03:00 PM 5/2/2010, you wrote:

Just wanted to give an update to those who suffer from night sweats and

eat milk yogurt… 3 days after switching from milk yogurt to coconut

yogurt, my night sweats stopped completely. I believe the reason is

because of all the cow’s hormones that are in the milk. I also am

less constipated because of stopping milk

yogurt.

>That might be the case for some -- but if people are using hormone-free

milk, that shouldn't >be an issue.Hopefully, but not necessarily. There are actually lots of hormones like growth hormones in dairy, which is why it is a good idea to abstain from all dairy if you have a tumor. The hormones that encourage growth in a baby animal, can stimulate growth in tumors. Everyone should know that just because some milk does not have added hormones, does not mean that it will still not have dangerous hormonal effects.

Best

I'm glad you got rid of your night sweats. I never had them through

menopause, even though I was having cow milk yogurt regularly. But after

my cancer surgery... yow! They're there whether or not I have

yogurt!

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

May 4, 2010

Hey Alyssa,Well, just so you know, all enzymes are actually proteins. So, if you know that the enzymes are being altered, you also know that proteins are being altered.I have found raw eggs and rare beef extremely easier to digest than more cooked versions, and far far more nourishing to me. I could not recommend that route more highly. I am not messing with cheese right now, and don't think I've ever experimented with raw cheese.

However, it is true that cooked cheese is SCD legal. And, I would encourage you to do what you need to to get the nourishment you need.That said, I think less cooked proteins will be more nourishing to you, and I also believe that given a proper opportunity, you may become accustomed to lesser cooked versions, and maybe even prefer them.

Yes - I think melted cheese is delicious too. However, i stopped eating it awhile ago, and honestly I don't miss it at all, nor do I remotely desire to consume it again. I feel better without it, and my body has learned that. it's very smart - your body, and your unconscious. It can learn what is best for you, given the proper chance.

Best

You get plenty of enzymes in your green smoothies.

Yep, that's definitely true =) I guess I'm more worried about the heat changing the casein into a protein that's much harder to digest. I suspect it was the pasteurized cheese that I reacted so badly to last time I tried it, and I can't really judge my reactions well when on prednisone, so it's hard to tell if the raw really is better.

Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)

Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

May 4, 2010

> I don't really know but I think

it should be OK, even if it kills a few good bacteria. It isn't as > though

you are boiling it for awhile!Just FYI " Pasteurization typically uses temperatures below boiling since at very high temperatures, casein micelles will irreversibly aggregate (or " curdle " ) "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurizationoh, also, for Alyssa: " When cheese is heated, the butterfat starts to melt at around 90 degrees

Fahrenheit and the cheese softens. Then, as the temperature enters the 105 to 120 degrees Fahrenheit range, the cheese’s protein structure changes, and depending on what kind of cheese it is, it may begin to flow slowly like lava (think of the oozing Jack cheese in a quesadilla),

or it might become stringy and elastic (think of the stretchy mozzarella on a pizza …). " http://www.chow.com/blog/2006/11/ill-stop-the-world-and-melt-with-numerous-types-of-cheese/

Best

I've been only having raw cheeses since I introduced them again, and

I think I may be tolerating them better than the pasteurized ones. My question is: should I not eat the raw cheese melted or heated? I know it will destroy enzymes, but I'm wondering if heating the cheese

would change the protein just like pasteurization does or not. I'm HOPING pasteurization is much more severe than just melting cheese, because melted cheese is pretty darn yummy =)

Ayssa,

Melted cheese IS yummy, isn't it? I don't really know but I think

it should be OK, even if it kills a few good bacteria. It isn't as though

you are boiling it for awhile!

May 4, 2010

Hi ,

I'm curious how you eat your raw eggs. I've heard that raw eggs are good for

you, but I'm at a loss for how to eat them and have them appeal to me.

Thanks!

Amber

>

> >

> > You get plenty of enzymes in your green smoothies.

> >

> > Yep, that's definitely true =) I guess I'm more worried about the heat

> > changing the casein into a protein that's much harder to digest. I suspect

> > it was the pasteurized cheese that I reacted so badly to last time I tried

> > it, and I can't really judge my reactions well when on prednisone, so it's

> > hard to tell if the raw really is better.

> >

> > Peace =)

> > Alyssa 16 yo

> > UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> > SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> > Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day

> > Prednisone 30 mg 1x per day

> >

>

May 4, 2010

Well, just so you know, all enzymes are actually proteins. So, if you know that the enzymes are being altered, you also know that proteins are being altered.Oh, duh =) How quickly I've forgotten everything I learned in biology! Thanks for reminding me. Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

May 4, 2010

"When cheese is heated, the butterfat starts to melt at around 90 degrees Fahrenheit and the cheese softens. Then, as the temperature enters the 105 to 120 degrees Fahrenheit range, the cheese’s protein structure changes, and depending on what kind of cheese it is, it may begin to flow slowly like lavaWoot! 118* is still raw. So if I'm careful I can have raw melted cheese =) Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

May 4, 2010

I'm curious how you eat your raw eggs. I've heard that raw eggs are good for you, but I'm at a loss for how to eat them and have them appeal to me.You could use raw eggs in mayo, or in that pecan satin recipe Marilyn just posted. I heard raw egg yolks were supposed to be healthy, but that you should never eat raw egg whites. Is this another crazy myth? Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

May 4, 2010

Remember that the process of fermenting the

yogurt denatures the casein into a much more

easily digestible form, as well as getting rid of the lactose.

— Marilyn

The same would be true of the legal cheeses,

then, too? Or are they only rid of the lactose?

May 4, 2010

Alyssa,Somewhere in Nourishing Traditions Sally Fallon comments that the egg white is much more difficult to digest than the yolk, and that eggs should be eaten whole. If I can find the section I'll post the page # later. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:41:37 -0400To: <BTVC-SCD >Subject: Re: Re: Yogurt and night sweats I'm curious how you eat your raw eggs. I've heard that raw eggs are good for you, but I'm at a loss for how to eat them and have them appeal to me.You could use raw eggs in mayo, or in that pecan satin recipe Marilyn just posted. I heard raw egg yolks were supposed to be healthy, but that you should never eat raw egg whites. Is this another crazy myth? Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

May 4, 2010

Somewhere in Nourishing Traditions Sally Fallon comments that the egg white is much more difficult to digest than the yolk, and that eggs should be eaten whole. If I can find the section I'll post the page # later. Thanks! Unfortunately I don't have the book though =( I just checked it out of the library for a while, but had to return it. Does eating the egg whole neutralize the bad effects of the white or somehting? I'm guessing it does. It IS a whole food, although arguably not originally intended for human consumption =) Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

May 4, 2010

Alyssa,Here's what I found:"It's fine to eat raw egg yolks of fresh eggs, but raw egg whites should be consumed only on occasion. Raw egg whites contain a substance called aviden, which interferes with the absorption of Biotin, a B vitamin; they also contain inhibitors, which interfere with protein digestion. These antinutrients are neutralized by light cooking."Nourishing TraditionsSally Fallon with Enig"Eggs" Page 436, last paragraph"The whites should mostly be eaten cooked, as they contain enzyme inhibitors that interfere with protein digestion. Although many diet books advise you to eat "egg white omelets" we don't recommend this, because you need the Vitamin A in the yolks to assimilate the protein in the whites. In fact it's better to eat the yolks without the whites than vice versa."Eat Fat Lose FatDr Enig and Sally FallonPage 81, last paragraphI took a quick look at the recipes in both books and noticed that for ice cream, raw milk tonic, various sauces, and raw meat appetizers the recipes all call for egg yolks only. Mayonnaise is the only recipe that I found that calls for 1 whole egg and 1 yolk. I guess the extra yolk helps digest the white. I also found that in the recipes that used just egg whites (like meringues) that they were cooked. I find both books to be invaluable resources. And even though we don't eat many of the foods presented it is so interesting to just read!BTW, I noticed on Oliver's website that his recipe for aioli calls for egg yolk only. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:39:11 -0400To: <BTVC-SCD >Subject: Re: Re: Yogurt and night sweats Somewhere in Nourishing Traditions Sally Fallon comments that the egg white is much more difficult to digest than the yolk, and that eggs should be eaten whole. If I can find the section I'll post the page # later. Thanks! Unfortunately I don't have the book though =( I just checked it out of the library for a while, but had to return it. Does eating the egg whole neutralize the bad effects of the white or somehting? I'm guessing it does. It IS a whole food, although arguably not originally intended for human consumption =) Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

May 4, 2010

I believe not just because I’m on the edge

of full blown menopause. I have been

dairy intolerant for a very long time but I’ve never had night sweats as a

symptom.

GERDS and chronic C.

SCD 2 yrs

Re: Yogurt and

night sweats

Yay you!!

But could it just be a dairy response, not a cow

hormone response?

I've given up all dairy recently because of it

creating an auto-immune response

in my system - maybe the night sweats is another

version?

Mara

Just wanted to give an

update to those who suffer from night sweats and eat milk yogurt… 3 days after

switching from milk yogurt to coconut yogurt, my night sweats stopped

completely. I believe the

reason is because of all the cow’s hormones that are in the milk. I also am less constipated because of

stopping milk yogurt.

GERDS and chronic C.

SCD 2 yrs

May 4, 2010

At 03:16 AM 5/4/2010, you wrote:

Hopefully, but not necessarily.

There are actually lots of hormones like growth hormones in dairy, which

is why it is a good idea to abstain from all dairy if you have a tumor.

The hormones that encourage growth in a baby animal, can stimulate growth

in tumors. Everyone should know that just because some milk does not have

added hormones, does not mean that it will still not have dangerous

hormonal effects.

,

Some people choose to abstain from dairy, for one reason or

another. That's their choice.

However, since cheese, dry curd cottage cheese, butter, and properly made

yogurt are all SCD legal, I think it is wrong, on an SCD list, to be

telling people that these highly nutritious foods are dangerous is not

appropriate.

Although we do have vegetarians on the list, SCD is not specifically a

vegetarian diet.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

May 4, 2010

At 02:41 PM 5/4/2010, you wrote:

You could use raw eggs in mayo,

or in that pecan satin recipe Marilyn just posted. I heard raw egg yolks

were supposed to be healthy, but that you should never eat raw egg

whites. Is this another crazy myth?

You just don't want to eat a bunch of raw whites without the yolks. The

whites have a biotin binder in them which can cause a problem if you are

using nothing buy raw whites. Funnily enough, the yolk has more than

enough biotin to deal with the binder. Again, whole foods are

better.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

May 4, 2010

At 02:59 PM 5/4/2010, you wrote:

The same would be true of the

legal cheeses,

then, too? Or are they only rid of the lactose?

I believe so, although I have not researched it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

May 5, 2010

Yes, thanks everyone for the information and ideas. I had remembered reading

something on Mercola's website about not eating one part of the egg raw- but my

memory is bad about details. Thanks for clearing it up.

Alyssa, that's how I like my eggs too- fried with the egg yolk runny, so I guess

I'm doing OK!

Amber

>

> > Here's what I found:

>

> Thanks so much for all the info! That's what I remember reading a

> while back, and I'm glad I remembered correctly. Raw egg white seems a

> little blech to me anyways though =) I guess if you fry an egg and

> leave the yolk runny you get the best of both worlds!

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 16 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day

> Prednisone 30 mg 1x per day

>

May 5, 2010

I ditto Marilyn on the it's OK to eat raw egg white, there's the biotin issue, so it helps to eat the yolk. I would not go throwing out egg white. Raw egg white is good stuff. it is actually known to have benefits that the yolk doesn't.

I just break my eggs into a glass and drink them by themselves, with whatever else I'm eating. I think it goes well with yogurt, very complimentary, nutritionally too. I've gotten used it, I like it now

Marilyn - I am aware dairy is SCD legal and I advocate for the consumption of yogurt highly on the diet. However, I think it is important to be aware that there are hormones in dairy, unlike your claim that there was 'hormone free' milk, and if someone happens to have a tumor while on SCD, it may save their life if they abstain from dairy until that issue is resolved. hence, I think it is essential that information like that is availible on this list, where people are asking questions about SCD foods and health. I did not mean to mislead anyone to think that I was trying to discourage SCDers from consuming dairy, especially yogurt. But I wanted to make sure everyone knew that your statement regarding hormones was incorrect, and that there is sometimes a health concern related to that issue

Best,

Yes, thanks everyone for the information and ideas. I had remembered reading something on Mercola's website about not eating one part of the egg raw- but my memory is bad about details. Thanks for clearing it up.

Alyssa, that's how I like my eggs too- fried with the egg yolk runny, so I guess I'm doing OK!

Amber

>

> > Here's what I found:

>

> Thanks so much for all the info! That's what I remember reading a

> while back, and I'm glad I remembered correctly. Raw egg white seems a

> little blech to me anyways though =) I guess if you fry an egg and

> leave the yolk runny you get the best of both worlds!

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 16 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day

> Prednisone 30 mg 1x per day

>

May 5, 2010

At 01:35 PM 5/5/2010, you wrote:

Marilyn - I am aware dairy is

SCD legal and I advocate for the consumption of yogurt highly on the

diet. However, I think it is important to be aware that there are

hormones in dairy, unlike your claim that there was 'hormone free' milk,

and if someone happens to have a tumor while on SCD, it may save their

life if they abstain from dairy until that issue is resolved. hence, I

think it is essential that information like that is availible on this

list, where people are asking questions about SCD foods and health. I did

not mean to mislead anyone to think that I was trying to discourage

SCDers from consuming dairy, especially yogurt. But I wanted to make sure

everyone knew that your statement regarding hormones was incorrect, and

that there is sometimes a health concern related to that

issue

,

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you.

One of the premier alternative cancer treatments is the Budwig Protocol

-- which involves eating cottage cheese mixed with flax oil. A medical

practitioner whom I consulted (in addition to my oncologist) said that

using unsalted dry curd cottage cheese and flax oil without high lignins

should work within the parameters of the SCD, and it has.

So abstinence from dairy is not necessarily required.

Keep in mind: I had surgery for a hormone related cancer two years ago.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

May 5, 2010

>,>

>I'm afraid I have to disagree with you.>>One of the premier alternative cancer treatments is the Budwig Protocol

-- which involves eating >cottage cheese mixed with flax oil. A medical

practitioner whom I consulted (in addition to my >oncologist) said that

using unsalted dry curd cottage cheese and flax oil without high lignins

>should work within the parameters of the SCD, and it has.>

>So abstinence from dairy is not necessarily required.Hey, I am aware of the anti-cancer protocol using (originally) low fat milk or (better liked by patients) cottage cheese with flax oil, and have in fact consumed low fat milk with flax oil for non-cancer purposes.

Cancer treatments come in a wide variety of forms. There is much out there, I have heard of no regime that is 100%. Choosing amongst them, and combinations, is quite a decision.the Budwig Protocol is fairly mainstream, developed in mainstream medical establishments, though not widely accepted in the mainstream.

it's positive results with some cancers does not change the fact that hormones in dairy can cause tumors to grow. I refer people to the book " Your Health, Your Hands " . I liken it to eating stage 1 foods after 5 days on intro, when all symptoms have not resolved - you have to eat foods that will cause more symptoms, because you have to eat more or you will become malnourished, and also have more trouble healing at all. Healing is not always a perfect path.

IMHO, the budwig protocol is primitive. I, today, in no way shape or form would advise someone on their choices on the decision of cancer treatment, when choosing between alternative treatments. That is why, i think it is so important that everyone is as informed about the decision as they can be. There seems to be no definitive source with a complete treatment answer - no cancer version of the BTVC. it's a horrible decision to make, a hell of a research project. In that position, the more information, the better.

>Keep in mind: I had surgery for a hormone related cancer two years ago. I am sorry your cancer needed surgery. Due to a severe subclinical vitamin A deficiency i sustained for over 7 years on my mistravels, I am now significantly and disturbingly at higher risk for similar cancers to yours. When better, I must go drag myself to get screened and start dealing with that. I hope that I will not have to have surgery as well.

Best wishes to all,On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm wrote: