Guest guest Posted October 24, 2001 Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 In a message dated 10/24/01 6:46:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, marym@... writes: > Just once, just one time I would love someone to say that they had a > surgeon they loved but they know s/he is human and like other humans, > may have lapses in judgment and imperfect skills. > > Hmmmm...I love my surgeon, but I know he's not perfect...close but noone is perfect. I don't think i could say he may have lapses in judgement or imperfect skills...but I will say sometimes no matter how good, things can go wrong. It happens to every dr and surgeon at some point...its inevitable. I understand what you are saying, and can appreicate it....I think we hero worship the man or woman that gave us back our lives...which is understandable as long as you don't make them up to be bigger than life...they are human and as a human, will make a mistake or just not have the answers they need to fix something sooner or later! ~*~ AJ ~*~ Bellingham, WA Age 37 5'8'' Open DS self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! 09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches 10/23/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs! -50.0 inches My profile: http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956 My website: www.wls4aj.homestead.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2001 Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 Thank You M!!!! I had been thinking the same thing only I would have never said it as well as you did! I know I am one of the ones who will rhapsodize about Dr. Macura. I can't lie the fact that I came out of my surgery alive and that I am losing the weight makes me feel like he can walk on water. Now if someone were to come on here and say that Dr. Macura caused them irreprable (I cant spell) harm. I would have to listen and acknowledge that someone was harmed. That as great as a surgeon might be as nice as surgeon might be that does not mean that one morning the surgeon woke up and didnt have that second cup of coffee to function or wasnt feeling well or whatever and somehow caused someone harm, or may not have advised someone on the right cause of action. I think that our weights may have been a very emotional issue for some of us and that the surgery may swing the pendulum in the opposite directions. As a result I can understand an emotional attachment to the surgeon, " this person gave me life back syndrome " (hell I know I have it) because in a sense the surgeon brought us back from an unliveable life....I also think that one of the reasons that we get the heebeejeebies when someone has a bad result from the surgery we put ourselves in that persons shoes we start to ask ourselves " this could have been me " Or " how do I know I am not going to run into those problems " and that is why I think people get defensive....Of course I am thinking of this the way I have experienced it and I am not saying this applies to anyone but Me...Plus as confused and as tortured as this post is I doubt there is much that is intelligible here. (sorry I am still kinda sleeping as I right this) Lisbeth (who is an email addict) Dr. Macura June 25, 2001 254-->198 marym@... wrote: One of the most interesting phenomenon for me in this whole WLS business is the way that so many post ops seem to become emotionally enmeshed with their surgeon. They respond to a criticism of the surgeon as though it were a criticism of them, they tout the surgeon's presumed perfections as though these were their own. Should amyone question the thinking of their surgeon, their surgeon's motives or behavior.. they usually reply with a huge " ouch " as though they were the one being questioned. The ability to appreciate a medical professional, such as a surgeon, who has used their professional skills to make positive changes in the life of a person, and to accept criticism of that person, to recognize that that surgeon is *not* perfect, is indeed human in every way, is a sign of a level of emotional maturity I see little of in the many WLS lists I participate in. To be human means that every surgeon, every physician, every nurse, etc, makes decisions, at times, for less than the most ethical reasons. They may try and hide their motives, they may attempt to defend or rationalize their failures or lapses in judgment. They may make decisions based on what their malpractice lawyer says, or their lover thinks, or what will make them the most money. However, to suggest that anyone here had a surgeon, especially if that surgeon did a DS surgery, has behaved in ways that may rightfully be viewed with legitimate criticism is to set yourself up to listen to support, defense, and perhaps outrage at your words. Just once, just one time I would love someone to say that they had a surgeon they loved but they know s/he is human and like other humans, may have lapses in judgment and imperfect skills. I'm *not* holding my breath. , Seattle Happy DS post op patient of the delightful and very human Dr Welker > God, this whole thing makes my blood boil and to think > that her patients take her side in all this and > justify it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2001 Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 , Once again you are so right! We may differ on some views but I respect your wisdom and commonsense. Yes, Dr. Ren did a superb job on my DS. Yes, she is a superb surgeon. No, I don't, personally understand her decision. And, yes, she is human, with all a human's faults and foibles. And since has removed her from the list of surgeons offering DS, this whole thread has become moot. Let's all get back to providing support, encouragement, and information to members of the group. I will personally delete any posts relating to Dr. Ren, without reading, as the subject is no longer relevant. Best wishes to you, Marcia Re: Bashing? One of the most interesting phenomenon for me in this whole WLS business is the way that so many post ops seem to become emotionally enmeshed with their surgeon. They respond to a criticism of the surgeon as though it were a criticism of them, they tout the surgeon's presumed perfections as though these were their own. Should amyone question the thinking of their surgeon, their surgeon's motives or behavior.. they usually reply with a huge " ouch " as though they were the one being questioned. The ability to appreciate a medical professional, such as a surgeon, who has used their professional skills to make positive changes in the life of a person, and to accept criticism of that person, to recognize that that surgeon is *not* perfect, is indeed human in every way, is a sign of a level of emotional maturity I see little of in the many WLS lists I participate in. To be human means that every surgeon, every physician, every nurse, etc, makes decisions, at times, for less than the most ethical reasons. They may try and hide their motives, they may attempt to defend or rationalize their failures or lapses in judgment. They may make decisions based on what their malpractice lawyer says, or their lover thinks, or what will make them the most money. However, to suggest that anyone here had a surgeon, especially if that surgeon did a DS surgery, has behaved in ways that may rightfully be viewed with legitimate criticism is to set yourself up to listen to support, defense, and perhaps outrage at your words. Just once, just one time I would love someone to say that they had a surgeon they loved but they know s/he is human and like other humans, may have lapses in judgment and imperfect skills. I'm *not* holding my breath. , Seattle Happy DS post op patient of the delightful and very human Dr Welker > God, this whole thing makes my blood boil and to think > that her patients take her side in all this and > justify it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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