Re: dream surgery/ Save the gall gladder?

[Guest guest]

Nick,

I hadn't realized that the GB is only a " holding tank " , so to speak!

I just know that several people I know,including my mother and one of

my sons-in-law, who have had their GBs removed MANY years ago, still

get deathly ill ingesting fats. Evidently their bodies didn't adapt.

Perhaps some do and some don't?

I don't want to be in THAT position after the DS for Pete's sake. And

at 54 years old, a slower weight loss would be worth it to me. I

don't want to be Mrs. America or even play her on TV,

I WANT MY bit o' CHEESECAKE, darnit!!

Any other ideas of how to keep quality of life?

Kathy sen

BMI 58, 352.5 lbs

Surgery scheduled Nov 19th

Dr. Welker

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Kathy -

Neither my wife nor I have our gallbladders and neither of us have any

problems. I don't, nor does she, consume huge quantities of fats. If you

overdo on the fats, gallbladder notwithstanding, you will have some rather

disagreeable symptoms, like the notorious " Xenical Style Oil Slick, " gas and

related pain, and diarrhea.

I know several post-ops who eat cheesecake, even without their gallbladder,

primarily because (at least in their view) it has less sugar thon many other

desserts.

You might want to discuss the issues and share your concerns relating to

gall bladder removal with your surgeon and follow his advice. I suspect

that there may be reasons that people who have had their gall bladders

removed years ago may have a different experience than people who do so

today. However, that is a question for your doctor.

As far as your age and lack of motivation to enter beauty contests are

concerned, I don't really see them as issues. You are just a young

whippersnapper! I am 60 and don't care about cosmetic appearance. However,

I do want to get to as close to normal weight as possible. Anything that

you do during your maximum weight loss window that slows that loss will mean

that you weigh that much more for the rest of your life. " Twiggy " I don't

want to be. Healthy, I do!

Best -

Nick in Sage

Re: dream surgery/ Save the gall gladder?

> Nick,

>

> I hadn't realized that the GB is only a " holding tank " , so to speak!

>

> I just know that several people I know,including my mother and one of

> my sons-in-law, who have had their GBs removed MANY years ago, still

> get deathly ill ingesting fats. Evidently their bodies didn't adapt.

> Perhaps some do and some don't?

>

> I don't want to be in THAT position after the DS for Pete's sake. And

> at 54 years old, a slower weight loss would be worth it to me. I

> don't want to be Mrs. America or even play her on TV,

>

> I WANT MY bit o' CHEESECAKE, darnit!!

>

> Any other ideas of how to keep quality of life?

>

> Kathy sen

> BMI 58, 352.5 lbs

> Surgery scheduled Nov 19th

> Dr. Welker

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

" Twiggy " I don't

> want to be. Healthy, I do!

Nick,

Agreed!!! and my bottom line is that I will do WHATEVER Dr. Welker

says!!! (he usually removes it,btw)

Thanks,

Kathy (who remembers that Twiggy's mentor/boyfriend was named )

sen

BMI 58, 352.5 lbs

Surgery scheduled Nov 19th

Dr. Welker

[Guest guest]

Hi, Nick.

Regarding this:

>Anything that you do during your maximum weight loss window that

>slows that loss will mean that you weigh that much more for the rest

>of your life.

Did you mean eating cheesecake or leaving the gall bladder in or

taking Actigall? I just did a quick search on Google and the

archives of this list but I can't find anything that might indicate

that the latter two factors would contribute to a slower weight

loss. Do you know more?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Leaving the gall bladder has nothing to do with weight loss. It prevents

complications that can be fatal.

Both the Actigall and cheesecake impact weight loss. Actigall prevents

complications, too. Cheesecake (and other simple carbohydrates) slow weight

loss during the window of maximum weight loss. Simple carbs should be

reserved for rare special occasions if you want to stabilize as close as

possible to your normal weight.

If you want to search the archives, the search function only checks a

limited number of posts at a time. You have to keep clicking on " next. " It

is slow and time consuming as my recollection is that the posts I am talking

about were made in late spring or early summer.

Best-

Nick in Sage

Re: dream surgery/ Save the gall gladder?

> Hi, Nick.

>

> Regarding this:

>

> >Anything that you do during your maximum weight loss window that

> >slows that loss will mean that you weigh that much more for the rest

> >of your life.

>

> Did you mean eating cheesecake or leaving the gall bladder in or

> taking Actigall? I just did a quick search on Google and the

> archives of this list but I can't find anything that might indicate

> that the latter two factors would contribute to a slower weight

> loss. Do you know more?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy - These are the posts related to gall bladders, Actigall, and

weight loss:

92228 Re: removing things during surgery Sherry Mon 5/14/2001

92157 Re: removing things during surgery Anita Mon 5/14/2001

92154 removing things during surgery becki becki Mon 5/14/2001

I didn't go back any further . . .

Best-

Nick

[Guest guest]

Hi!

Found the posts right before Nick let us all know where they are.

Can anyone out there verify this stuff??

Thanks,

From: " Sherry " <shelters@f...>

Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:05 am

Subject: Re: removing things during surgery

>I heard on another list (or was it this one) that actigall

>causes you to absorb a lot more more fat and can almost

>completely " negate " the malabsorptive effect of this surgery.

>One woman was on actigall for over a year and it was finally

>discovered the reason she was not losing weight was because

>of the actigall.

> Becki, near Portland, OR

> BMI 50-ish, age 42

> Hi all. Ihave Dr. , and she said that due to

> the lap DS being a fairly long procedure under

> anesthesia, she prefers not to do other things...she

> believes it's better and healthier for the MO person

> to get out from under the anesthesia as soon as

> possible. Also, she feels that removing a healthy

> gallbladder doesn't do that much good...she uses

> actigall to prevent stones during the rapid weight

> loss period.

> Along those lines, I've heard that people who have

> their gallbladders out (with or without WLS) are much

> more prone to the gaseous odors and loose BM's, so

> I've come around to that way of thinking. I recently

> had an ultrasound of my gallbladder and it's peachy,

> so I think I'll keep it.

> > One more note about gallbladders...

> on another list, someone once posted that their own

> unofficial study seemed to indicate that people lost

> more slowly without their gallbladders...food for

> thought

[Guest guest]

Glad I had it removed as boy those GB

> attacks are terribly painful.....worse than having a baby!!

>

> Hugs, Judie

My first GB attack came as I was shopping in the Northgate Mall in

1988. I was in the Bon and started to feel sick. I got to my car

and realized I was too ill to drive. Headed back to the closest

store-- Nordstroms, where I was on a little bed in a room off the

customer service area when the medics arrived.

Talk about ruining a perfectly good shopping spree! And I was skinny-

- having just completed my first (but not last) medicast type diet.

You know, the 20 minutes before I gained it all back and added a

little more on. LOL

/Seattle shopper

[Guest guest]

In a message dated Sat, 3 Nov 2001 2:55:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, " Judie

Hensel " writes:

12 yrs for me and never had any problems eating fats

> then or now.

I had my GB removed exactly 30 years before my Ds surgery. I was only 23 when I

had it removed. I have never missed it and obviously ate a high fat diet. Now,

I tend toward constipation and have never had a bit of diarrhea with my surgery.

I don't know if it's because my body already did the adjustment or not. Anyway,

I'd say get rid of the gallbladder. The GB attacks are awful!

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Same with me. I was on Medifast and lost alot but I

ended up quitting. Shortly after, I lost my

gallbladder. I had horrible runs after getting home

from the hospital but my doc gave me lomitril or

something like that and it cleared up. No problems

since except if I eat ALOT of fat/grease.

dee

1. wrote:

lived on fats pre op and had no problems at all

without a GB for my 13 years without a GB before I had

the DS.>>>>

2.Jodie wrote:

Same here, ......12 yrs for me and never had any

problems eating fats then or now. Lost 35 lbs and had

the runs for 3 weeks after GB removal but that was

it.....no problems since. Glad I had it removed as

boy those GB attacks are terribly painful.....worse

than having a baby!!

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