Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 > Quite > honestly, I personally would not have had a BPD/DS and I would have > opted for a LapBand instead IF I absolutely desired to have more > children (I have two children already, a boy 10 and a girl 8). I > have thought about a 3rd baby but I don't really think that I will > have one at this point. If I absolutely wanted a child or more > children, I would be leery of the BPD/DS (I think of Joe Frost and > others with severe complications). I would be afraid to take the > chance that I would by physically sound to sustain a pregnancy, if > pregnancy was that important to me (IMHO). Just to show how very differently people view things. I'm choosing the BPD/DS BECAUSE I want to have more children. None of the other options even sounded remotely appealing or workable to me or my lifestyle or producing healty children. My weight hasn't impacted my ability to get pregnant but I know it's affected my ability to get them back out. I know I'm taking a risk from the nutrition stand point but I don't feel it is any greater than the risk I having the extra weight and the complications that brings while being pregnant. But I totally understnad those who don't want that risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Jane, I had the BPD/DS so that I could lose the weight so that I could some day have children. The other surgeries do not allow for the quality of life that the DS does on a long-term basis. But I guess the proof is in the pudding or in this case " the bun in the oven " ...I think that the important thing is regardless of what surgery you have is to be open with your ob/gyn and let them know so that adjustments can be made during the pregnancy. Of course I don't have any information regarding pregnant woman and the DS so I may be wrong. Lisbeth Jane wrote: Dear Nick, I was very well researched before I had my Lap BPD/DS. Quite honestly, I personally would not have had a BPD/DS and I would have opted for a LapBand instead IF I absolutely desired to have more children (I have two children already, a boy 10 and a girl 8). I have thought about a 3rd baby but I don't really think that I will have one at this point. If I absolutely wanted a child or more children, I would be leery of the BPD/DS (I think of Joe Frost and others with severe complications). I would be afraid to take the chance that I would by physically sound to sustain a pregnancy, if pregnancy was that important to me (IMHO). So, different strokes for different folks. Jane J. 230/158 (-72 lbs.) Lap BPD/DS April 26, 2001 Dr. Ren > You said that the DS isn't the right surgery for everyone. Is there anyone > who doesn't want to eat normally? Is there anyone who wants more weight to > come back post op? > Please let me know just who these people are because I can't picture anyone > who is well informed picking the RNY or Gastric Band . . . or any other > weight loss surgery. > Nick in Sage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Dear Nick, From what I've read from Joe Frost's posts is that he suffers from chronically low protein levels which he is now hooked up to IV protein supplements in attempt to correct. This is the complication that I was referring too, not his infections. Also, there are several DSers that suffer from such chronically low iron levels that they need IV infusions. This too qualifies as a complication that would make pregnancy risky. Jane J. > Jane - > > Joe Frost's problem, I believe, came from a post-op infection. The risk of > that is the same for any abdominal surgery. Had he had a lap band, the same > thing could have happened. His subsequent problems arose from that original > infection. > > Next reason not to have the DS ? ? ? > > Best - > > Nick in Sage > > Re: Ren Cop Out-Nick > > > > Dear Nick, > > > > I was very well researched before I had my Lap BPD/DS. Quite > > honestly, I personally would not have had a BPD/DS and I would have > > opted for a LapBand instead IF I absolutely desired to have more > > children (I have two children already, a boy 10 and a girl 8). I > > have thought about a 3rd baby but I don't really think that I will > > have one at this point. If I absolutely wanted a child or more > > children, I would be leery of the BPD/DS (I think of Joe Frost and > > others with severe complications). I would be afraid to take the > > chance that I would by physically sound to sustain a pregnancy, if > > pregnancy was that important to me (IMHO). So, different strokes for > > different folks. > > > > Jane J. > > 230/158 (-72 lbs.) > > Lap BPD/DS > > April 26, 2001 > > Dr. Ren > > > > > > > You said that the DS isn't the right surgery for everyone. Is > > there anyone > > > who doesn't want to eat normally? Is there anyone who wants more > > weight to > > > come back post op? > > > Please let me know just who these people are because I can't > > picture anyone > > > who is well informed picking the RNY or Gastric Band . . . or any > > other > > > weight loss surgery. > > > > > Nick in Sage > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Jane - I am well aware of Joe's current problem with protein. That is a problem that was caused by his original hospitalization for the infection. Nick Re: Ren Cop Out-Nick > > > > > > > Dear Nick, > > > > > > I was very well researched before I had my Lap BPD/DS. Quite > > > honestly, I personally would not have had a BPD/DS and I would > have > > > opted for a LapBand instead IF I absolutely desired to have more > > > children (I have two children already, a boy 10 and a girl 8). I > > > have thought about a 3rd baby but I don't really think that I will > > > have one at this point. If I absolutely wanted a child or more > > > children, I would be leery of the BPD/DS (I think of Joe Frost and > > > others with severe complications). I would be afraid to take the > > > chance that I would by physically sound to sustain a pregnancy, if > > > pregnancy was that important to me (IMHO). So, different strokes > for > > > different folks. > > > > > > Jane J. > > > 230/158 (-72 lbs.) > > > Lap BPD/DS > > > April 26, 2001 > > > Dr. Ren > > > > > > > > > > You said that the DS isn't the right surgery for everyone. Is > > > there anyone > > > > who doesn't want to eat normally? Is there anyone who wants > more > > > weight to > > > > come back post op? > > > > Please let me know just who these people are because I can't > > > picture anyone > > > > who is well informed picking the RNY or Gastric Band . . . or > any > > > other > > > > weight loss surgery. > > > > > > > Nick in Sage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Nick, How can his current problem be due to an infection? When, where, and by whom did he have surgery? Is this a common problem? I've looked through most of Hull's abstracts and none of them seem to indicate that those who take their vitamins/nutrients have problems. What's up with this case? Regards, P.S. Enjoying your posts! > > > Jane - > > > > > > Joe Frost's problem, I believe, came from a post-op infection. The > > risk of > > > that is the same for any abdominal surgery. Had he had a lap band, > > the same > > > thing could have happened. His subsequent problems arose from that > > original > > > infection. > > > > > > Next reason not to have the DS ? ? ? > > > > > > Best - > > > > > > Nick in Sage > > > > > > Re: Ren Cop Out-Nick > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nick, > > > > > > > > I was very well researched before I had my Lap BPD/DS. Quite > > > > honestly, I personally would not have had a BPD/DS and I would > > have > > > > opted for a LapBand instead IF I absolutely desired to have more > > > > children (I have two children already, a boy 10 and a girl 8). I > > > > have thought about a 3rd baby but I don't really think that I will > > > > have one at this point. If I absolutely wanted a child or more > > > > children, I would be leery of the BPD/DS (I think of Joe Frost and > > > > others with severe complications). I would be afraid to take the > > > > chance that I would by physically sound to sustain a pregnancy, if > > > > pregnancy was that important to me (IMHO). So, different strokes > > for > > > > different folks. > > > > > > > > Jane J. > > > > 230/158 (-72 lbs.) > > > > Lap BPD/DS > > > > April 26, 2001 > > > > Dr. Ren > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said that the DS isn't the right surgery for everyone. Is > > > > there anyone > > > > > who doesn't want to eat normally? Is there anyone who wants > > more > > > > weight to > > > > > come back post op? > > > > > Please let me know just who these people are because I can't > > > > picture anyone > > > > > who is well informed picking the RNY or Gastric Band . . . or > > any > > > > other > > > > > weight loss surgery. > > > > > > > > > Nick in Sage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Hi - Joe was hospitalized for several weeks and was in an induced coma for several of them. He developed a leak right out of the hospital and returned for several subsequent surgeries. He also had peritonitis. He was fed through an IV (according to my recollection). His protein level subsequently dropped and he had difficulty bringing it back up. He was making good progress when I last heard. His surgeon was Dr. Welker. This is not a common problem and is unrelated to any supplementation. Best- Nick in Sage Re: Ren Cop Out-Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nick, > > > > > > > > > > I was very well researched before I had my Lap BPD/DS. Quite > > > > > honestly, I personally would not have had a BPD/DS and I would > > > have > > > > > opted for a LapBand instead IF I absolutely desired to have > more > > > > > children (I have two children already, a boy 10 and a girl > 8). I > > > > > have thought about a 3rd baby but I don't really think that I > will > > > > > have one at this point. If I absolutely wanted a child or > more > > > > > children, I would be leery of the BPD/DS (I think of Joe > Frost and > > > > > others with severe complications). I would be afraid to take > the > > > > > chance that I would by physically sound to sustain a > pregnancy, if > > > > > pregnancy was that important to me (IMHO). So, different > strokes > > > for > > > > > different folks. > > > > > > > > > > Jane J. > > > > > 230/158 (-72 lbs.) > > > > > Lap BPD/DS > > > > > April 26, 2001 > > > > > Dr. Ren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said that the DS isn't the right surgery for everyone. > Is > > > > > there anyone > > > > > > who doesn't want to eat normally? Is there anyone who wants > > > more > > > > > weight to > > > > > > come back post op? > > > > > > Please let me know just who these people are because I can't > > > > > picture anyone > > > > > > who is well informed picking the RNY or Gastric Band . . . > or > > > any > > > > > other > > > > > > weight loss surgery. > > > > > > > > > > > Nick in Sage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Jane, I am curious as to what medical or statistical data would make you fear in getting pregnant post DS surgery over any other bariatric surgery? Both the RNY and Scopinaro have malabsorptive factors and many patients have successfully carried thier babies to full term. Where I agree that the LapBand is the only " potentially " fully reversable procedure I would have to be of the opinion that I only wanted the band to get thin enough in order to get pregnant, and then post partum find a new way to lose the additional weight I gained from the pregnancy. Theresa > Dear Nick, > > I was very well researched before I had my Lap BPD/DS. Quite > honestly, I personally would not have had a BPD/DS and I would have > opted for a LapBand instead IF I absolutely desired to have more > children (I have two children already, a boy 10 and a girl 8). I > have thought about a 3rd baby but I don't really think that I will > have one at this point. If I absolutely wanted a child or more > children, I would be leery of the BPD/DS (I think of Joe Frost and > others with severe complications). I would be afraid to take the > chance that I would by physically sound to sustain a pregnancy, if > pregnancy was that important to me (IMHO). So, different strokes for > different folks. > > Jane J. > 230/158 (-72 lbs.) > Lap BPD/DS > April 26, 2001 > Dr. Ren > > > > You said that the DS isn't the right surgery for everyone. Is > there anyone > > who doesn't want to eat normally? Is there anyone who wants more > weight to > > come back post op? > > Please let me know just who these people are because I can't > picture anyone > > who is well informed picking the RNY or Gastric Band . . . or any > other > > weight loss surgery. > > > Nick in Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2001 Report Share Posted October 26, 2001 In a message dated 10/22/01 12:26:33 PM, duodenalswitch writes: << If I absolutely wanted a child or more children, I would be leery of the BPD/DS (I think of Joe Frost and others with severe complications). I would be afraid to take the chance that I would by physically sound to sustain a pregnancy, if pregnancy was that important to me (IMHO). So, different strokes for different folks. >> Jane: I wanted to have a third at the time of surgery (but have since settled that I may only have these two and that's fine! LOL). I was told by my surgeon that I should not encounter any serious difficulties at all as a post-op BPD/DS patient becoming pregnant or throughout pregnancy. I think a lot of this depends on one's labs and protein levels, etc. before gettting prego. IF these levels are kept up, then I think a 'normal' and healthy pregnancy is totally possible. If there were deficiencies beforehand, etc., then one may be more prone to encountering such during pregnancy? I can totally understand your point of view and see where one might be leery of the DS if one wanted to become pregnant in the future. HOwever, I don't think there is solid evidence that women would experience severe deficiencies as a post-op DS with pregnancy. Nor do I think that this is a likely possibility IF one has good labwork and keeps up with the supplementation, protein, etc. and continues such (making adjustments as needed and getting proper prenatal care for a post-op DS). I think it is certainly up to the individual to determine whether the DS would possibily present future problems in a desired pregnancy but I just wanted to point out that such issues were not/are not a major concern for me personally. I think that the pregnancy issue is a valid concern when discussing the lapband. Future pregnancy seems to be a major issue for those who do choose this surgery. all the best, lap ds with gallbladder removal January 25, 2001 Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC nine months post-op and still feelin' fabu preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45 now: 207 (100 lbs gone forever! Yahoo!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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