Re: Ren, and ancecdotal information

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/21/01 10:18:33 PM, duodenalswitch

writes:

<<

As to Dr. , she too lacks sufficient personal experience to allow

her to share her personal statistics as a valid study.

Neither of the doctors appear to be giving their patients the straight

scoop. They have a skewed view of the surgery for whatever reason.

>>

Nick: I did e-mail my surgeon (Dr. Gagner) about this issue and he confirmed

that the DS was superior (in terms of improvements) over the BPD. He said

there were studies comparing the two (mainly by Marceau) and the DS does have

less disadvantages and better nutritional results all around. IF one had the

CHOICE, the DS would be preferable. He also mentioned that both Dr.

and Dr. REn do not have sufficient experience to really make such a

decision (i.e. - telling patients that they think the BPD is a 'better

surgery', etc.) and he said that the BPD is definately an easier surgery (for

the surgeon, not the patient).

As most people probably know, he is the pioneer of one form of the

laparoscopic BPD/DS and one of the foremost surgeons in the field. He is

DEFINATELY still performing the DS and is in no way taking the stance that

the BPD is 'better' for the patient by any means.

all the best,

Noverr-Chin

co-moderator, duodenal switch

Lap BPD/DS with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

nine months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 207 (hey - I lost 100 lbs!!! YAHOO!!!!)

[Guest guest]

Hi -

Thanks for the information. So much for just looking at this as a matter of

personal choices among equal options. Dr. Ren plain misled when she said

that the BPD was better. For those of you who thought I was off-base in my

disagreement with Dr. Ren, add Dr. Gagner to that same list along with me!

Best -

Nick in Sage

Re: Ren, and ancecdotal information

>

> In a message dated 10/21/01 10:18:33 PM, duodenalswitch

> writes:

>

> <<

> As to Dr. , she too lacks sufficient personal experience to allow

> her to share her personal statistics as a valid study.

>

> Neither of the doctors appear to be giving their patients the straight

> scoop. They have a skewed view of the surgery for whatever reason.

> >>

>

> Nick: I did e-mail my surgeon (Dr. Gagner) about this issue and he

confirmed

> that the DS was superior (in terms of improvements) over the BPD. He said

> there were studies comparing the two (mainly by Marceau) and the DS does

have

> less disadvantages and better nutritional results all around. IF one had

the

> CHOICE, the DS would be preferable. He also mentioned that both Dr.

> and Dr. REn do not have sufficient experience to really make

such a

> decision (i.e. - telling patients that they think the BPD is a 'better

> surgery', etc.) and he said that the BPD is definately an easier surgery

(for

> the surgeon, not the patient).

>

> As most people probably know, he is the pioneer of one form of the

> laparoscopic BPD/DS and one of the foremost surgeons in the field. He is

> DEFINATELY still performing the DS and is in no way taking the stance that

> the BPD is 'better' for the patient by any means.

>

> all the best,

> Noverr-Chin

> co-moderator, duodenal switch

> Lap BPD/DS with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

> Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

>

> nine months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

>

> preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> now: 207 (hey - I lost 100 lbs!!! YAHOO!!!!)

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

,

Looking good looking good looking good!!!!!! Congrats on the reaching the

century mark ya big loser!!!!

*hugs*

Lisbeth

all the best,

Noverr-Chin

co-moderator, duodenal switch

Lap BPD/DS with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

nine months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 207 (hey - I lost 100 lbs!!! YAHOO!!!!)

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Ren never said that the BPD was better than the DS. If you want

info regarding Dr. Ren's philosophy or what you think she may have

said or told someone, etc. just e-mail her directly at:

christine.ren@... She answers her e-mail and you can then

get your info firsthand instead of heresay. Dr. Ren is

straightforward and to say that she misleads her patients is

absolutely false. The worse part is that the folks that keep up

the " rumor mill " have never even spoken to her directly about this

BPD and DS issue and therefore do not have firsthand knowledge.

Jane J.

<<Dr. Ren plain misled when she said that the BPD was better.>>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if Drs and Ren think we just fell off the cabbage

wagon and don't have the resources to cover the globe with inquiries

to folks who know a whole lot *more* than they do (with less than 2

years practice under their individual belts)???

Good grief, Ren and are busy setting themselves up to lose

the respect of the DS surgeons. Wonder how Dr Gagner feels having two

of his former fellows off spreading such total junk about the DS.

As far as I'm concerned, they are busted. I have no problem with any

surgeon deciding not to do one procedure or another. It's the total

BS they are using to justify the decision that galls me. Any first

year grad student ought to be able to read the research literature

and blow their claims out of the water.

I think there is an assumption here that we are idiots. Fat and

stupid. NOT

, Seattle

> Hi -

>

> Thanks for the information. So much for just looking at this as a

matter of

> personal choices among equal options. Dr. Ren plain misled when

she said

> that the BPD was better. For those of you who thought I was off-

base in my

> disagreement with Dr. Ren, add Dr. Gagner to that same list along

with me!

>

> Best -

>

> Nick in Sage

[Guest guest]

> Good grief, Ren and are busy setting themselves up to lose

> the respect of the DS surgeons. Wonder how Dr Gagner feels having two

> of his former fellows off spreading such total junk about the DS.

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Hi (Seattle version)

You give them too much the benefit of the doubt. I imagine that the respect

from the other DS surgeons has already evaporated. You can be sure that

Gagner is more surprised than pleased.

Best-

Nick in Sage