Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hi everyone - I have begun my research as we have to make a decision if we go along with Dr. Harbison's recommendation to place on Arimidex, which is an aromatase inhibitor. This medicine blocks the production of estrogen, which then would, crossing our fingers, slow down her rapid acceleration in bone age, thus allowing her more time to grow in height. As I wrote before, I had learned from Harbison and Stanhope in London that this product is being studied right now by different groups, and by the FDA, but is NOT FDA approved in the US at this time. I know that the products are very commonly used at this time in the fight against breast cancer. But these are adult women. Clearly, the long-term side effects will not be known, and Steve and I are going to have to take a leap of faith, if we decide to try this drug. However, I did find a brand new article just published, and a follow up. First off, there are three types of aromatase inhibitors. Letrozole, anastrozole (Arimidex) and Exemestane. Dr. H told me that Letrozole is very very strong and she would not personally use it in pediatric cases. However, I do have a study already in our library using Letrozole in short boys in an attempt to postpone adrenarche, slow bone age, and get greater height. The study was positive. But I want to know about Arimidex. A 12-month pilot trial was completed in US and just published in the Journal of Pediatric Endocrin. Metabolism in Dec. 2004. They investigated whether anastrozole (Arimidex) used for 12-months " can achieve sustained suppression of estrogen production and delay epiphyseal fusion in GHD adolescent males. " The study was only of 20 young GHD males but it did have a control group and a treatment group. So although the numbers are small, it is critical that a control group was used. The study found that E2 (estrogen) concentrations declined 60% in the treatment group but increased in the control group (I remember Dr. H saying that Letrozole blocks estrogen completely, and Arimidex partially blocked but that she felt that the partial was better than complete). Testosterone obviously increased in the treatment group, and somewhat in the controls. Bone markers, plasma lipids, insulin, glucose, and liver function tests were THANKFULLY all unchanged between groups with no differneces either in bodh composition or bone mineral density accrual. However, in summary, it said that 12 months of treatment did not increase predicted adult height. That further studies are needed to look at longer treatment time. Another study in 2002 refers to a " pioneering study " so I have to find that. But refers to the recognition of the pivotal role of estrogens in skeletal maturation and subsequent growth arrest. So clearly we're on the right path. The question becomes personal for us, do we try it and see if we can slow the bone age acceleration. Salem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hi , has been on Aromasin for about a year now (xxemestane). I often wondered what the difference was between this an Arimidex. After reading your post, I did a little online searching, and found a website that lists another type of aromatase inhibitor: Megace (megestrol). I was quite shocked to find this, because when , my non-RSS daughter was hospitalized earlier this year for severe reflux, she saw a different GI doctor than the one has seen his whole life. He seemed quite interested in 's case, and asked me if I ever tried Megace when he was younger to stimulate appetite. I had never even heard of this, and has been on TONS of medications throughout the course of his lifetime. Now that I see it is listed as an aromatase inhibitor used to treat various conditions, I wonder if this could be a medicine that would kill 2 birds with one stone (so to speak) for our RSS kids. Is it possible it could work as an aromatase inhibitor to stop bone age advancement and as an appetite stimulant in lieu of Periactin? I don't have the energy to look into this further right now as our entire household has a bad stomach flu (6 people!). I thought you might be interested in this though. Check these websites: http://imaginis.com/breasthealth/drugs.asp#aromatase Look under classes of drugs to treat breast cancer. Then, click on Megace. It says " in addition to treating advanced breast cancer, Megace may also be used to treat advanced stages of endometrial cancer (cancer of the uterine lining) or to increase appetite in HIV patients. Because Megace is considered non-toxic, there are few documented side effects associated with the drug. The most common side effect is fluid retention. Then, I looked at the following pdf. file: journals.endocrinology.org/erc/006/0259/0060259.pdf In it, it mentions this about Megace: Vorozole has also been compared with megace in tamoxifen-treated patients; complete and partial response rates were seen in 10.5% of vorozole and 7.6% of patients receiving megace but weight gain occurred in 14% of patients receiving megace compared with only 1% of those receiving vorozole (Goss et al. 1997). Anastrozole was assessed in an early clinical study (Plourde et al. 1994) and this showed considerable suppression at doses between 1 and 20 mg. No other endocrine changes were observed. A study reported by Buzdar et al. (1997) compared anastrozole 1 mg, anastrozole 10 mg and megace 160 mg in 386 tamoxifentreated patients. No differences in response rate were seen. However, side effects differed, with weight gain being more prevalent in megace-treated patients and gastrointestinal side effects in anastrozole-treated patients. Here are the articles in which the Megace information came from: Goss P, Wine E, Tannock I, Schwartz IH & Kremer AB for the North American Vorozole Study Group 1997 Vorozole versus Megace in postmenopausal patients with metastatic breast carcinoma who had relapsed following tamoxifen. Proceedings of American Society of Clinical Oncology No. 542. Buzdar AU, SE, Vogel CL, Wolter J, Plourde P & Webster A for the Arimidex Study Group 1997 A Phase III trial comparing anastrozole (1 and 10 milligrams), a potent and selective aromatase inhibitor, with megestrol acetate in postmenopausal women with advanced breast carcinoma. Cancer 79 730-739. Dombernowsky P, I, Leonard R, Panasci L, Bellmunt J, Bezwoda W, Gardin G, Gudgeon A, M, Fornasiero A, Hoffman W, Michel J, Hatscheck T, Tjabbes T, Chaudri HA, Hornberger U & Trunet PF 1998 Letrozole, a new oral aromatase inhibitor for advanced breast cancer: double-blind randomised trial showing a dose effect and improved efficacy Endocrine-Related Cancer (1999) 6 259-263 263 and tolerability compared with megestrol acetate. Journal of Clinical Oncology 16 453-461. I'd be interested to hear what you think about this. Sorry this posting was so long! Kim C. > Hi everyone - > > I have begun my research as we have to make a decision if we go > along with Dr. Harbison's recommendation to place on > Arimidex, which is an aromatase inhibitor. This medicine blocks the > production of estrogen, which then would, crossing our fingers, slow > down her rapid acceleration in bone age, thus allowing her more time > to grow in height. > > As I wrote before, I had learned from Harbison and Stanhope in > London that this product is being studied right now by different > groups, and by the FDA, but is NOT FDA approved in the US at this > time. I know that the products are very commonly used at this time > in the fight against breast cancer. But these are adult women. > > Clearly, the long-term side effects will not be known, and Steve and > I are going to have to take a leap of faith, if we decide to try > this drug. However, I did find a brand new article just published, > and a follow up. > > First off, there are three types of aromatase inhibitors. > Letrozole, anastrozole (Arimidex) and Exemestane. Dr. H told me > that Letrozole is very very strong and she would not personally use > it in pediatric cases. However, I do have a study already in our > library using Letrozole in short boys in an attempt to postpone > adrenarche, slow bone age, and get greater height. The study was > positive. But I want to know about Arimidex. > > A 12-month pilot trial was completed in US and just published in the > Journal of Pediatric Endocrin. Metabolism in Dec. 2004. They > investigated whether anastrozole (Arimidex) used for 12-months " can > achieve sustained suppression of estrogen production and delay > epiphyseal fusion in GHD adolescent males. " The study was only of > 20 young GHD males but it did have a control group and a treatment > group. So although the numbers are small, it is critical that a > control group was used. > > The study found that E2 (estrogen) concentrations declined 60% in > the treatment group but increased in the control group (I remember > Dr. H saying that Letrozole blocks estrogen completely, and Arimidex > partially blocked but that she felt that the partial was better than > complete). > > Testosterone obviously increased in the treatment group, and > somewhat in the controls. Bone markers, plasma lipids, insulin, > glucose, and liver function tests were THANKFULLY all unchanged > between groups with no differneces either in bodh composition or > bone mineral density accrual. > > However, in summary, it said that 12 months of treatment did not > increase predicted adult height. That further studies are needed to > look at longer treatment time. > > Another study in 2002 refers to a " pioneering study " so I have to > find that. But refers to the recognition of the pivotal role of > estrogens in skeletal maturation and subsequent growth arrest. So > clearly we're on the right path. The question becomes personal for > us, do we try it and see if we can slow the bone age acceleration. > > Salem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Kim - I will investigate further, because my heart stopped when I read in your email that Megace was an arimitase inhibitor. Both Dr. Harbison and our geneticist out here both said NO WAY to Megace -- said something about the fluid retention and some other side effect being very dangerous for RSS/SGA children -- and that Megace had not yet been tested on pediatric cases of any kind. Now, that was about 3 years ago... maybe things have changed? I have not read of Megace being used in any of the 4-5 pediatric growth disorder studies that other arimitase inhibitors were discussed. I will find out some more. > > Hi , > > has been on Aromasin for about a year now (xxemestane). I often wondered > what the difference was between this an Arimidex. After reading your post, I did a little > online searching, and found a website that lists another type of aromatase inhibitor: > Megace (megestrol). I was quite shocked to find this, because when , my non-RSS > daughter was hospitalized earlier this year for severe reflux, she saw a different GI doctor > than the one has seen his whole life. He seemed quite interested in 's > case, and asked me if I ever tried Megace when he was younger to stimulate appetite. I > had never even heard of this, and has been on TONS of medications throughout > the course of his lifetime. Now that I see it is listed as an aromatase inhibitor used to treat > various conditions, I wonder if this could be a medicine that would kill 2 birds with one > stone (so to speak) for our RSS kids. Is it possible it could work as an aromatase inhibitor > to stop bone age advancement and as an appetite stimulant in lieu of Periactin? I don't > have the energy to look into this further right now as our entire household has a bad > stomach flu (6 people!). I thought you might be interested in this though. Check these > websites: > > http://imaginis.com/breasthealth/drugs.asp#aromatase > > Look under classes of drugs to treat breast cancer. Then, click on Megace. It says " in > addition to treating advanced breast cancer, Megace may also be used to treat advanced > stages of endometrial cancer (cancer of the uterine lining) or to increase appetite in HIV > patients. Because Megace is considered non-toxic, there are few documented side effects > associated with the drug. The most common side effect is fluid retention. > > Then, I looked at the following pdf. file: > > journals.endocrinology.org/erc/006/0259/0060259.pdf > > In it, it mentions this about Megace: > > Vorozole has also been compared with megace in > tamoxifen-treated patients; complete and partial response > rates were seen in 10.5% of vorozole and 7.6% of patients > receiving megace but weight gain occurred in 14% of > patients receiving megace compared with only 1% of > those receiving vorozole (Goss et al. 1997). > Anastrozole was assessed in an early clinical study > (Plourde et al. 1994) and this showed considerable > suppression at doses between 1 and 20 mg. No other > endocrine changes were observed. A study reported by > Buzdar et al. (1997) compared anastrozole 1 mg, > anastrozole 10 mg and megace 160 mg in 386 tamoxifentreated > patients. No differences in response rate were seen. > However, side effects differed, with weight gain being > more prevalent in megace-treated patients and gastrointestinal > side effects in anastrozole-treated patients. > > Here are the articles in which the Megace information came from: > > Goss P, Wine E, Tannock I, Schwartz IH & Kremer AB for the > North American Vorozole Study Group 1997 Vorozole versus > Megace in postmenopausal patients with metastatic breast > carcinoma who had relapsed following tamoxifen. > Proceedings of American Society of Clinical Oncology No. > 542. > > Buzdar AU, SE, Vogel CL, Wolter J, Plourde P & Webster > A for the Arimidex Study Group 1997 A Phase III trial > comparing anastrozole (1 and 10 milligrams), a potent and > selective aromatase inhibitor, with megestrol acetate in > postmenopausal women with advanced breast carcinoma. > Cancer 79 730-739. > > Dombernowsky P, I, Leonard R, Panasci L, Bellmunt J, > Bezwoda W, Gardin G, Gudgeon A, M, Fornasiero A, > Hoffman W, Michel J, Hatscheck T, Tjabbes T, Chaudri HA, > Hornberger U & Trunet PF 1998 Letrozole, a new oral > aromatase inhibitor for advanced breast cancer: double-blind > randomised trial showing a dose effect and improved efficacy > Endocrine-Related Cancer (1999) 6 259-263 > 263 and tolerability compared with megestrol acetate. Journal of > Clinical Oncology 16 453-461. > > I'd be interested to hear what you think about this. Sorry this posting was so long! > > Kim C. > > > > > Hi everyone - > > > > I have begun my research as we have to make a decision if we go > > along with Dr. Harbison's recommendation to place on > > Arimidex, which is an aromatase inhibitor. This medicine blocks the > > production of estrogen, which then would, crossing our fingers, slow > > down her rapid acceleration in bone age, thus allowing her more time > > to grow in height. > > > > As I wrote before, I had learned from Harbison and Stanhope in > > London that this product is being studied right now by different > > groups, and by the FDA, but is NOT FDA approved in the US at this > > time. I know that the products are very commonly used at this time > > in the fight against breast cancer. But these are adult women. > > > > Clearly, the long-term side effects will not be known, and Steve and > > I are going to have to take a leap of faith, if we decide to try > > this drug. However, I did find a brand new article just published, > > and a follow up. > > > > First off, there are three types of aromatase inhibitors. > > Letrozole, anastrozole (Arimidex) and Exemestane. Dr. H told me > > that Letrozole is very very strong and she would not personally use > > it in pediatric cases. However, I do have a study already in our > > library using Letrozole in short boys in an attempt to postpone > > adrenarche, slow bone age, and get greater height. The study was > > positive. But I want to know about Arimidex. > > > > A 12-month pilot trial was completed in US and just published in the > > Journal of Pediatric Endocrin. Metabolism in Dec. 2004. They > > investigated whether anastrozole (Arimidex) used for 12- months " can > > achieve sustained suppression of estrogen production and delay > > epiphyseal fusion in GHD adolescent males. " The study was only of > > 20 young GHD males but it did have a control group and a treatment > > group. So although the numbers are small, it is critical that a > > control group was used. > > > > The study found that E2 (estrogen) concentrations declined 60% in > > the treatment group but increased in the control group (I remember > > Dr. H saying that Letrozole blocks estrogen completely, and Arimidex > > partially blocked but that she felt that the partial was better than > > complete). > > > > Testosterone obviously increased in the treatment group, and > > somewhat in the controls. Bone markers, plasma lipids, insulin, > > glucose, and liver function tests were THANKFULLY all unchanged > > between groups with no differneces either in bodh composition or > > bone mineral density accrual. > > > > However, in summary, it said that 12 months of treatment did not > > increase predicted adult height. That further studies are needed to > > look at longer treatment time. > > > > Another study in 2002 refers to a " pioneering study " so I have to > > find that. But refers to the recognition of the pivotal role of > > estrogens in skeletal maturation and subsequent growth arrest. So > > clearly we're on the right path. The question becomes personal for > > us, do we try it and see if we can slow the bone age acceleration. > > > > Salem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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