Re: Vitamins OT

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Wow.Yeah, I think these people are messing with you.sure - molybdenum, amongst many vitamins and minerals, probably helps with iron stores. The amount you would get from their multivitamin is probably not very significant, especially compared to any other multivitamin including molybdenum. For instance, the multivitamin they sell I found on their website, the only product on their website with molybdenum, had 25 mcg. Freeda's SCD legal has 12.5 mcg. Not a very large difference at all.

hmmm..........Well, I would not take an iron supplement. Elaine advises strongly against it. Back in the day, I in desperation went against this advice. Foolishly. Caused me a bad flare.2. iron supplements are lousy anyways. It's not a good form of iron, and it doesn't absorb well.

well, cheers to you buying beets.What else have you tried?Are you aware of the interactions of Heme and Non-Heme iron?Heme iron is only in meat. It aborbs great. Non-heme is more abundant, but does not absorb as well. It is only availible in vegetables.

BUT, if you combine heme with non-heme, the heme improves the absorbtion of the non-hemeThus, combining meat with non-meat iron foods is best.Also, vitamin C enhances the absorbtion of iron.Thus, a meal like chili - meat, beans, and vitamin c from tomatoes, is described as an ideal iron builder.

Vitamin C degrades fast, it is best when fresh. It is availible in a wide variety of fruits and vegetables, like cooked carrots. Oranges are a very good source, whole oranges are usually better than juice, if you juice them I hear you have to drink it real fast to get the full benefits of the vitamin C (it degrades real fast)

Can you eat lentils? I use these when my iron gets low. I just buy a can of organic lentils, I don't think it's cooked but you can eat them straight out of the can. That's what Ido. I can't tolerate them right now, but when I can I like to eat a can a day, at least a half a can, usually 1/2 can in a meal. It's probably far cheaper to cook them up from dried lentils though that's what I used to do when I was less busy.

Also, are you getting enough b12? This can be a major factor with iron. b12 can only be gotten sufficiently from foods from red meat. Otherwise, it needs to be supplemented sublingually (hard if not impossible for a SCDer) or with shots (I sometimes give them to myself, it's easy)

Spinach is great. Organic is best. Always, with minerals, organic is best. conventional farming completely strips soils of minerals. I think when I was comparing spinach products the frozen organic had like 12% or 14% RDA per serving (which is good for an iron food), whereas the conventional had like 2%-3%..

There are lots of other nutrients that help with iron building. I think actually alfalfa is recommended. I know chlorophyll is.Vitamin A is also greatly recommended for rebuilding iron stores. Are you getting enough vitamin A? it's sometimes hard for IBDers with vitamin A. I would definitely recommend a vitamin A supplement while you are trying to increase iron. Be careful - do not take too much vitamin A. I recommend supplementing it from fish oil since you are IBD, beta-carotene might not convert as well. Unless you know that you have a significant vitamin A deficiency and are carefully treating that, I would NOT go over 10,000 IUs of vitamin A a day. That should be plenty. Careful - when taking a vitamin A supplement from animal form (fish form) (retinol etc.), it depletes vitamin D, you'll need to supplement that too - for 10,000 IUs vitamin A you need 5,000 IUs vitamin D. You can buy 1000 IU vitamin D fish oil pills (I _DEF_ recommend a 'wet' or fish oil vitamin D), or you can use vitamin D liquid drops, 1000 IU per drop, they are great and completely flavorless you can just put 5 drops on your tongue, I would recommend that.

There are other cofactors/improvers. I wouldn't sweat it too much I would focus on eating a variety of whole foods that have lots of iron, they usually have cofactors in them.Have you tried marrow bone/marrow bone broth? This is a great source of minerals. I highly recommend it.

How come you expressed interest in avoiding vitamin K? vitamin K is very good for you, frequently deficient in IBDer's due to dysbiosis. It's also a great general blood builder..Are you taking a multivitamin? Does it have minerals?

Supplementing minerals like molybdenum is always a little dicey... minerals from supplement form are never quite the same as food form. They don't absorb as well, and they can actually cause problems sometimes. I've done it, I do it sometimes, but only because I am totally desperate, and I'm aware that it's not a good idea. i do not do it very often.

for an extreme example, copper is actually helpful with building iron. But people say you should really never touch supplemental copper, it's very different from foods, works differently, absorbs terribly (and goes into other areas of your body as a result), and can cause massive massive problems.

Supplementing minerals is also problematic in so many ways, such as they have so many cofactors that have to be present for proper absorption. For example, the classic case is calcium. Calcium NEEDS magnesium to absorb. If you don't take magnesium with your calcium, the calcium goes into other areas of your body - can cause arthritis, hyperactivity, and alzheimer's.

Most calcium supplements have some magnesium as a result. Good ones also have vitamin D for proper absorption. Really good calcium supplements have more minerals, like boron, because those are necessary for proper absorption and integration as well. Freeda makes a pretty good calcium supplement, one of if not the best SCD legal ones. It also has mangenese, which is important.

Calcium supplements should also be taken at night - they absorb better at night.Another example, zinc supplements should have some copper or they can cause problems. Also, you should not take more than 30 mg zinc a day or else it will start interfering with your immune system.

My point is, minerals have very complex cofactors and interactions, and it's inherently not a good idea supplementing them anyways. Molybdenum is handy, I wouldn't try supplementing it outside of a good multivitamin. Good ones have it anyways.

Again, I would focus on whole foods, with maybe some vitamin supplementation as with vitamin A (and D). A wide variety of foods is best. Fruits, vegetables, and tolerable legumes. Variety and diversity ensures sources of the many vitamins and minerals etc. you need. For example, apricots are a great source of copper. Strawberries are good for some iron too, although not as good as beets/spinach/lentils. Green peas are good too

Freeda's multivitamin is pretty good. If you want a better one, i don't know how to find a better SCD legal one, because better multivitamins usually source their nutrients from foods more, including those foods in small amounts(!) in the vitamin, which usually makes them SCD illegal fast. I am very impressed with the quality of Freeda's SCD vitamins though.

I'm sorry you had that terrible experience with those people. It makes me angry too!!! bullshitters and exploiters :POh yeah, with iron, always watch out for iron absorption inhibitors - those are dairy, soy (heh), and eggs. This is why most Americans (especially women) who are iron deficient are iron deficient - too much iron inhibitors in the small quantities of iron meals that they are eating. cheese on spinach may taste good, but don't expect to absorb any iron from it heh.

And of course liver is a really really great iron source/builder.I really don't think any special multivitamin of any kind is going to be helpful in restoring your iron. Good multivitamins are all pretty equally useful in this sense, you can't really get them enhanced to be very helpful with iron. Those people are seriously messing with you.

Which SCD legal vitamins do you have trouble tolerating? What happens, are the quantities too high, or is it a different issue?Well, again I'm sorry you ran into those people. Best wishes on your restoring your iron. I hope I've been somewhat helpful at all.

Best :)p.s. Parsley's helpful too oh, and if you can tolerate dried fruit, raisins

 

Ok... what?I was most curious to see why you were interested in molybdenum

The catalog and the sales rep said it helped with iron stores.

I went to the nutrilite homesite and searched molybdenum (most companies don't make a straight one anyways....)

It's part of the multi-vitamin.

the only product that came up was this:

NUTRILITE® DOUBLE X® Vitamin/Mineral/Phytonutrient – Case and 31-day SupplyI couldn't find an ingredient list on their website.Neither could I and I also have the catalogue.

 

i found one here:http://www.healthline.com/natstandardcontent/double-x-vitamin-mineral-phytonutrient

not only is this product loaded with gums, maltodextrin (Yikes!!!), corn starch, and sucrose etc, it has alfalfa... leaf and stem. which you said it didn't.The catalogue has a multi that specifically says it does not contain Vitamin K and alfalfa--yeast, etc.  All natural.

 

 

I am most confused.Is this the product you were referring to??I'm not sure.  There's two multi's.  One claims to be 'extremely legal' but has watercress extract.

 

 

Not many people make straight molybdenum. i doubt these people do. I couldn't find one.It's part of a multi-vitamin.

 

I've also never heard of a straight watercress supplement. But this multivitamin/mineral does have watercress..Yes, that's why I asked about legality.

 

 

So....... no. Not legal. Don't take this. what are you up to?I'm not taking it because I couldn't get enough information on it.  The person who offered me samples brought me a huge box and wanted me to just pay for it.  I had already (endlessly) tried to ask about what was in it and was told about a money-back guarantee.  I have a lot of trouble tolerating even SCD legal vitamins so I didn't want to spend that kind of money not knowing if I could even take it.

 

What am I up to?  Trying to get my iron up without killing myself with these generic iron pills they have me on.  Right now I'm taking beetroot 'blood building' vitamins that appear to be legal except the last ingredient which says 'vegetable lubricant'.  Sounds gross, right?  So I'm trying to eat spinach again along with beets and other iron foods.  I don't eat everything loaded with iron but I try to gear it that way.

 

I was in the vitamin aisle at Wal-Mart and this guy started asking me questions.  Then the wife showed up.  She stayed with me the entire time while he went to get me a catalogue and samples.  After all that--half a day wasted--ok it felt that way because I have 'x' amount of energy and it was wasted anyway.  He hit me up for money so I decided it was no better than Melaleuca or Molecure or all the other crap people hit you up with when they sense a weakness.  They try to sell you cure-alls or work-at-home rip-offs.

 

Sorry, soapbox ;-).

 

Debbie 41 cd houston

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best

 

Has anyone ever heard of Nutrilite Vitamins?

 

These are supposed to be wheat, sugar, iron, alfalfa, vitamin K-free.

 

The two questions I have are watercress concentrate and Molybdenum.

 

Insolitol is in a different vitamin--the multi, is that legal?

 

Thanks,

Debbie

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oh yeah - I think oysters are a good source of iron too

Wow.Yeah, I think these people are messing with you.sure - molybdenum, amongst many vitamins and minerals, probably helps with iron stores. The amount you would get from their multivitamin is probably not very significant, especially compared to any other multivitamin including molybdenum. For instance, the multivitamin they sell I found on their website, the only product on their website with molybdenum, had 25 mcg. Freeda's SCD legal has 12.5 mcg. Not a very large difference at all.

hmmm..........Well, I would not take an iron supplement. Elaine advises strongly against it. Back in the day, I in desperation went against this advice. Foolishly. Caused me a bad flare.2. iron supplements are lousy anyways. It's not a good form of iron, and it doesn't absorb well.

well, cheers to you buying beets.What else have you tried?Are you aware of the interactions of Heme and Non-Heme iron?Heme iron is only in meat. It aborbs great. Non-heme is more abundant, but does not absorb as well. It is only availible in vegetables.

BUT, if you combine heme with non-heme, the heme improves the absorbtion of the non-hemeThus, combining meat with non-meat iron foods is best.Also, vitamin C enhances the absorbtion of iron.Thus, a meal like chili - meat, beans, and vitamin c from tomatoes, is described as an ideal iron builder.

Vitamin C degrades fast, it is best when fresh. It is availible in a wide variety of fruits and vegetables, like cooked carrots. Oranges are a very good source, whole oranges are usually better than juice, if you juice them I hear you have to drink it real fast to get the full benefits of the vitamin C (it degrades real fast)

Can you eat lentils? I use these when my iron gets low. I just buy a can of organic lentils, I don't think it's cooked but you can eat them straight out of the can. That's what Ido. I can't tolerate them right now, but when I can I like to eat a can a day, at least a half a can, usually 1/2 can in a meal. It's probably far cheaper to cook them up from dried lentils though that's what I used to do when I was less busy.

Also, are you getting enough b12? This can be a major factor with iron. b12 can only be gotten sufficiently from foods from red meat. Otherwise, it needs to be supplemented sublingually (hard if not impossible for a SCDer) or with shots (I sometimes give them to myself, it's easy)

Spinach is great. Organic is best. Always, with minerals, organic is best. conventional farming completely strips soils of minerals. I think when I was comparing spinach products the frozen organic had like 12% or 14% RDA per serving (which is good for an iron food), whereas the conventional had like 2%-3%..

There are lots of other nutrients that help with iron building. I think actually alfalfa is recommended. I know chlorophyll is.Vitamin A is also greatly recommended for rebuilding iron stores. Are you getting enough vitamin A? it's sometimes hard for IBDers with vitamin A. I would definitely recommend a vitamin A supplement while you are trying to increase iron. Be careful - do not take too much vitamin A. I recommend supplementing it from fish oil since you are IBD, beta-carotene might not convert as well. Unless you know that you have a significant vitamin A deficiency and are carefully treating that, I would NOT go over 10,000 IUs of vitamin A a day. That should be plenty. Careful - when taking a vitamin A supplement from animal form (fish form) (retinol etc.), it depletes vitamin D, you'll need to supplement that too - for 10,000 IUs vitamin A you need 5,000 IUs vitamin D. You can buy 1000 IU vitamin D fish oil pills (I _DEF_ recommend a 'wet' or fish oil vitamin D), or you can use vitamin D liquid drops, 1000 IU per drop, they are great and completely flavorless you can just put 5 drops on your tongue, I would recommend that.

There are other cofactors/improvers. I wouldn't sweat it too much I would focus on eating a variety of whole foods that have lots of iron, they usually have cofactors in them.Have you tried marrow bone/marrow bone broth? This is a great source of minerals. I highly recommend it.

How come you expressed interest in avoiding vitamin K? vitamin K is very good for you, frequently deficient in IBDer's due to dysbiosis. It's also a great general blood builder..Are you taking a multivitamin? Does it have minerals?

Supplementing minerals like molybdenum is always a little dicey... minerals from supplement form are never quite the same as food form. They don't absorb as well, and they can actually cause problems sometimes. I've done it, I do it sometimes, but only because I am totally desperate, and I'm aware that it's not a good idea. i do not do it very often.

for an extreme example, copper is actually helpful with building iron. But people say you should really never touch supplemental copper, it's very different from foods, works differently, absorbs terribly (and goes into other areas of your body as a result), and can cause massive massive problems.

Supplementing minerals is also problematic in so many ways, such as they have so many cofactors that have to be present for proper absorption. For example, the classic case is calcium. Calcium NEEDS magnesium to absorb. If you don't take magnesium with your calcium, the calcium goes into other areas of your body - can cause arthritis, hyperactivity, and alzheimer's.

Most calcium supplements have some magnesium as a result. Good ones also have vitamin D for proper absorption. Really good calcium supplements have more minerals, like boron, because those are necessary for proper absorption and integration as well. Freeda makes a pretty good calcium supplement, one of if not the best SCD legal ones. It also has mangenese, which is important.

Calcium supplements should also be taken at night - they absorb better at night.Another example, zinc supplements should have some copper or they can cause problems. Also, you should not take more than 30 mg zinc a day or else it will start interfering with your immune system.

My point is, minerals have very complex cofactors and interactions, and it's inherently not a good idea supplementing them anyways. Molybdenum is handy, I wouldn't try supplementing it outside of a good multivitamin. Good ones have it anyways.

Again, I would focus on whole foods, with maybe some vitamin supplementation as with vitamin A (and D). A wide variety of foods is best. Fruits, vegetables, and tolerable legumes. Variety and diversity ensures sources of the many vitamins and minerals etc. you need. For example, apricots are a great source of copper. Strawberries are good for some iron too, although not as good as beets/spinach/lentils. Green peas are good too

Freeda's multivitamin is pretty good. If you want a better one, i don't know how to find a better SCD legal one, because better multivitamins usually source their nutrients from foods more, including those foods in small amounts(!) in the vitamin, which usually makes them SCD illegal fast. I am very impressed with the quality of Freeda's SCD vitamins though.

I'm sorry you had that terrible experience with those people. It makes me angry too!!! bullshitters and exploiters :POh yeah, with iron, always watch out for iron absorption inhibitors - those are dairy, soy (heh), and eggs. This is why most Americans (especially women) who are iron deficient are iron deficient - too much iron inhibitors in the small quantities of iron meals that they are eating. cheese on spinach may taste good, but don't expect to absorb any iron from it heh.

And of course liver is a really really great iron source/builder.I really don't think any special multivitamin of any kind is going to be helpful in restoring your iron. Good multivitamins are all pretty equally useful in this sense, you can't really get them enhanced to be very helpful with iron. Those people are seriously messing with you.

Which SCD legal vitamins do you have trouble tolerating? What happens, are the quantities too high, or is it a different issue?Well, again I'm sorry you ran into those people. Best wishes on your restoring your iron. I hope I've been somewhat helpful at all.

Best :)p.s. Parsley's helpful too oh, and if you can tolerate dried fruit, raisins

 

Ok... what?I was most curious to see why you were interested in molybdenum

The catalog and the sales rep said it helped with iron stores.

I went to the nutrilite homesite and searched molybdenum (most companies don't make a straight one anyways....)

It's part of the multi-vitamin.

the only product that came up was this:

NUTRILITE® DOUBLE X® Vitamin/Mineral/Phytonutrient – Case and 31-day SupplyI couldn't find an ingredient list on their website.Neither could I and I also have the catalogue.

 

i found one here:http://www.healthline.com/natstandardcontent/double-x-vitamin-mineral-phytonutrient

not only is this product loaded with gums, maltodextrin (Yikes!!!), corn starch, and sucrose etc, it has alfalfa... leaf and stem. which you said it didn't.The catalogue has a multi that specifically says it does not contain Vitamin K and alfalfa--yeast, etc.  All natural.

 

 

I am most confused.Is this the product you were referring to??I'm not sure.  There's two multi's.  One claims to be 'extremely legal' but has watercress extract.

 

 

Not many people make straight molybdenum. i doubt these people do. I couldn't find one.It's part of a multi-vitamin.

 

I've also never heard of a straight watercress supplement. But this multivitamin/mineral does have watercress..Yes, that's why I asked about legality.

 

 

So....... no. Not legal. Don't take this. what are you up to?I'm not taking it because I couldn't get enough information on it.  The person who offered me samples brought me a huge box and wanted me to just pay for it.  I had already (endlessly) tried to ask about what was in it and was told about a money-back guarantee.  I have a lot of trouble tolerating even SCD legal vitamins so I didn't want to spend that kind of money not knowing if I could even take it.

 

What am I up to?  Trying to get my iron up without killing myself with these generic iron pills they have me on.  Right now I'm taking beetroot 'blood building' vitamins that appear to be legal except the last ingredient which says 'vegetable lubricant'.  Sounds gross, right?  So I'm trying to eat spinach again along with beets and other iron foods.  I don't eat everything loaded with iron but I try to gear it that way.

 

I was in the vitamin aisle at Wal-Mart and this guy started asking me questions.  Then the wife showed up.  She stayed with me the entire time while he went to get me a catalogue and samples.  After all that--half a day wasted--ok it felt that way because I have 'x' amount of energy and it was wasted anyway.  He hit me up for money so I decided it was no better than Melaleuca or Molecure or all the other crap people hit you up with when they sense a weakness.  They try to sell you cure-alls or work-at-home rip-offs.

 

Sorry, soapbox ;-).

 

Debbie 41 cd houston

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best

 

Has anyone ever heard of Nutrilite Vitamins?

 

These are supposed to be wheat, sugar, iron, alfalfa, vitamin K-free.

 

The two questions I have are watercress concentrate and Molybdenum.

 

Insolitol is in a different vitamin--the multi, is that legal?

 

Thanks,

Debbie

[Guest guest]

 

Wow.Yeah, I think these people are messing with you.

 

They are probably good vitamins, just not SCD.

sure - molybdenum, amongst many vitamins and minerals, probably helps with iron stores. The amount you would get from their multivitamin is probably not very significant, especially compared to any other multivitamin including molybdenum. For instance, the multivitamin they sell I found on their website, the only product on their website with molybdenum, had 25 mcg. Freeda's SCD legal has 12.5 mcg. Not a very large difference at all.

hmmm..........Well, I would not take an iron supplement. Elaine advises strongly against it. Back in the day, I in desperation went against this advice. Foolishly. Caused me a bad flare.

They constipate me rather than flaring me.  They are extremely hard to tolerate on my stomach also.

2. iron supplements are lousy anyways. It's not a good form of iron, and it doesn't absorb well.

The prescription ones originally worked great but they stopped manufacturing them so I had to go to a generic which kills my gut.

 

well, cheers to you buying beets.What else have you tried?

Several things, food and supplements, blood transfusions, etc.

Are you aware of the interactions of Heme and Non-Heme iron?Heme iron is only in meat. It aborbs great. Non-heme is more abundant, but does not absorb as well. It is only availible in vegetables.

BUT, if you combine heme with non-heme, the heme improves the absorbtion of the non-hemeThus, combining meat with non-meat iron foods is best.Also, vitamin C enhances the absorbtion of iron.Thus, a meal like chili - meat, beans, and vitamin c from tomatoes, is described as an ideal iron builder.

Vitamin C degrades fast, it is best when fresh. It is availible in a wide variety of fruits and vegetables, like cooked carrots. Oranges are a very good source, whole oranges are usually better than juice, if you juice them I hear you have to drink it real fast to get the full benefits of the vitamin C (it degrades real fast)

I take a vitamin c 500mg after I eat.  I also put fresh lemon juice on just about everything I cook or eat.

Can you eat lentils? I use these when my iron gets low. I just buy a can of organic lentils, I don't think it's cooked but you can eat them straight out of the can. That's what Ido. I can't tolerate them right now, but when I can I like to eat a can a day, at least a half a can, usually 1/2 can in a meal. It's probably far cheaper to cook them up from dried lentils though that's what I used to do when I was less busy.

Not so good with lentils.  I eat baby limas, azuki, purple hull, kidney, white beans, black beans and hummus made 1000 ways.

Also, are you getting enough b12? This can be a major factor with iron. b12 can only be gotten sufficiently from foods from red meat. Otherwise, it needs to be supplemented sublingually (hard if not impossible for a SCDer) or with shots (I sometimes give them to myself, it's easy)

I have a patch that seems legal.  Goes behind the ear for 24 hours once per week.  I think it's at b12patch.com or something like that.  I can feel it and really would like to have a new one by the third day (mid-way between patches).

 

Spinach is great. Organic is best. Always, with minerals, organic is best. conventional farming completely strips soils of minerals. I think when I was comparing spinach products the frozen organic had like 12% or 14% RDA per serving (which is good for an iron food), whereas the conventional had like 2%-3%..

It actually goes straight through undigested so I'm re-trying it after not being able to eat it in years.

There are lots of other nutrients that help with iron building. I think actually alfalfa is recommended. I know chlorophyll is.

I checked the Vitamin Shoppe and it wasn't with the iron or blood building section.  It was being touted as a detox kind of.  I didn't like what I read on most of those bottles.

Vitamin A is also greatly recommended for rebuilding iron stores. Are you getting enough vitamin A? it's sometimes hard for IBDers with vitamin A. I would definitely recommend a vitamin A supplement while you are trying to increase iron. Be careful - do not take too much vitamin A. I recommend supplementing it from fish oil since you are IBD, beta-carotene might not convert as well. Unless you know that you have a significant vitamin A deficiency and are carefully treating that, I would NOT go over 10,000 IUs of vitamin A a day. That should be plenty. Careful - when taking a vitamin A supplement from animal form (fish form) (retinol etc.), it depletes vitamin D, you'll need to supplement that too - for 10,000 IUs vitamin A you need 5,000 IUs vitamin D. You can buy 1000 IU vitamin D fish oil pills (I _DEF_ recommend a 'wet' or fish oil vitamin D), or you can use vitamin D liquid drops, 1000 IU per drop, they are great and completely flavorless you can just put 5 drops on your tongue, I would recommend that.

I have a great vitamin for A, B, C, E, D and I think that's it but I have been unable to find it lately.  So I've been out for about a week.  Hopefully I'll find it again.

There are other cofactors/improvers. I wouldn't sweat it too much I would focus on eating a variety of whole foods that have lots of iron, they usually have cofactors in them.Have you tried marrow bone/marrow bone broth? This is a great source of minerals. I highly recommend it.

Yes, whenever I can find decent medium cut beef shanks I get them.

How come you expressed interest in avoiding vitamin K? vitamin K is very good for you, frequently deficient in IBDer's due to dysbiosis. It's also a great general blood builder..

I'm a natural clumper so the doctors advised me to avoid vitamin K as I seem to produce too much ;-).

Are you taking a multivitamin? Does it have minerals?

Yes, I take a multi and then some atm.  With minerals.

Supplementing minerals like molybdenum is always a little dicey... minerals from supplement form are never quite the same as food form. They don't absorb as well, and they can actually cause problems sometimes. I've done it, I do it sometimes, but only because I am totally desperate, and I'm aware that it's not a good idea. i do not do it very often.

for an extreme example, copper is actually helpful with building iron. But people say you should really never touch supplemental copper, it's very different from foods, works differently, absorbs terribly (and goes into other areas of your body as a result), and can cause massive massive problems.

Supplementing minerals is also problematic in so many ways, such as they have so many cofactors that have to be present for proper absorption. For example, the classic case is calcium. Calcium NEEDS magnesium to absorb. If you don't take magnesium with your calcium, the calcium goes into other areas of your body - can cause arthritis, hyperactivity, and alzheimer's.

Most calcium supplements have some magnesium as a result. Good ones also have vitamin D for proper absorption. Really good calcium supplements have more minerals, like boron, because those are necessary for proper absorption and integration as well. Freeda makes a pretty good calcium supplement, one of if not the best SCD legal ones. It also has mangenese, which is important.

Calcium supplements should also be taken at night - they absorb better at night.

I hopefully get a lot of calcium from cheese, DCCC and yogurt.  I'll look into it when I put some other fires out.  I had chewables 3x per day but they aren't legal so I haven't used them since 2005.

Another example, zinc supplements should have some copper or they can cause problems. Also, you should not take more than 30 mg zinc a day or else it will start interfering with your immune system.My point is, minerals have very complex cofactors and interactions, and it's inherently not a good idea supplementing them anyways. Molybdenum is handy, I wouldn't try supplementing it outside of a good multivitamin. Good ones have it anyways.

Again, I would focus on whole foods, with maybe some vitamin supplementation as with vitamin A (and D).

Right, the diet is focused towards iron in whole foods.  That's why my family thinks I eat 'weird' foods.  Some people don't like liver, beets and spinach--especially all at one sitting.  The think potatoes are a food group ;-).

A wide variety of foods is best. Fruits, vegetables, and tolerable legumes. Variety and diversity ensures sources of the many vitamins and minerals etc. you need. For example, apricots are a great source of copper. Strawberries are good for some iron too, although not as good as beets/spinach/lentils. Green peas are good too

I'm a strawberry fiend--have to watch lentils (btw, canned is illegal unless you canned it so they have to be dried).  Green peas, unless they are very young, tiny baby green peas, I avoid completely.  Don't ask why.  Every once in awhile I'll find the miniature baby frozen peas which are ok for me.

Freeda's multivitamin is pretty good. If you want a better one, i don't know how to find a better SCD legal one, because better multivitamins usually source their nutrients from foods more, including those foods in small amounts(!) in the vitamin, which usually makes them SCD illegal fast. I am very impressed with the quality of Freeda's SCD vitamins though.

I'm sorry you had that terrible experience with those people. It makes me angry too!!! bullshitters and exploiters

 

There's a lot of people pushing wellness products.

Oh yeah, with iron, always watch out for iron absorption inhibitors - those are dairy, soy (heh), and eggs. This is why most Americans (especially women) who are iron deficient are iron deficient - too much iron inhibitors in the small quantities of iron meals that they are eating. cheese on spinach may taste good, but don't expect to absorb any iron from it heh.

And of course liver is a really really great iron source/builder.I really don't think any special multivitamin of any kind is going to be helpful in restoring your iron. Good multivitamins are all pretty equally useful in this sense, you can't really get them enhanced to be very helpful with iron. Those people are seriously messing with you.

Repliva 21/7 which is illegal really built me up fast.  It's no longer and prescription but the generic versions are not as good and harder to tolerate.

 

Which SCD legal vitamins do you have trouble tolerating? What happens, are the quantities too high, or is it a different issue?

They seem to come right back up.  I can't keep them down.  Even splitting them doesn't help.  I think it may be because they are 'straight' vitamins and uncoated.  Very potent to me.  I'll try them again later.

Well, again I'm sorry you ran into those people. Best wishes on your restoring your iron. I hope I've been somewhat helpful at all.

Yep, thanks.  Cherries and shrimp are also high in iron.  I really like pan fried chicken liver with lots and lots of garlic so it's not all bad ;-).Best :)p.s. Parsley's helpful too oh, and if you can tolerate dried fruit, raisins

 

Believe it or not, I just planted some parsley on the patio and it looks great (dried oregano too) so I'll be using lots of it.  Dried raisins--very sparingly.

 

Ok, back under the heating pad for a few before my boss comes later--!

[Guest guest]

Believe it or not, I just planted some parsley on the patio and it looks great (dried oregano too) so I'll be using lots of it.  Dried raisins--very sparingly.

 Greek oregano--not dried ;-).  Basil hasn't popped and chives look a little puny.   Going to have lots of peppers I think.

[Guest guest]

I just buy a can of

organic lentils,

Otherwise good advise here, but commercially canned vegetables are not

SCD legal.

All legumes must be fresh, fresh frozen, or properly prepared from dried

legumes, per the directions in BTVC.

All other vegetables must be fresh or fresh frozen (unless you canned

them yourself, or dehydrated them yourself).

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

I've heard of nutrilite. They're made by the Amway/Quixtar corporation, and I

used to the vitamins years ago, when my parents were Amway resellers. (I'm not a

fan of Amway by the way). In the past, people were required to buy the vitamins

from an Amway reseller, not sure if that's still the case though.

The vitamins are okay, but I'm not sure how well they would fit into the SCD.

They're high-quality vitamins, that much I know, and very expensive. Most people

are required to take two a day, along with their meals. They're also organic,

and made out of " live " ingredients/plant materials.

But, again, not sure how well this would fit into an SCD diet, when I took the

vitamins back in the 1990s. Nor, what ingredients they have now.

>

> Has anyone ever heard of Nutrilite Vitamins?

>

> These are supposed to be wheat, sugar, iron, alfalfa, vitamin K-free.

>

> The two questions I have are watercress concentrate and Molybdenum.

>

> Insolitol is in a different vitamin--the multi, is that legal?

>

> Thanks,

> Debbie

>

[Guest guest]

They are still required to be purchased from a reseller from what I can tell.  There seems to be *something* illegal in all of them but I've had a hard time locating exact ingredients.  It looks great on the surface--but it's kind of like Starbucks--good luck finding all the nutritional info needed to make a decision.

 

The multi's are expensive.  The individuals are not any worse than WF. 

 

I've heard good and bad about Amway.  And Melaleuca.  They seem similar.  I guess it depends on if you make money at it or not.  Some products are better than others too.

 

There's a cheap, inexpensive vitamin I like and it looks legal if I could just find everytime.  It is full of A, B, E and some others.  A good multi minus the k and iron.  I take C separately.

I will check into these down the road when more information is put on the web.  Eventually all the secrets turn up.  I was very disappointed to find one that looked perfect had rice bran as a filler after the guy said he guaranteed it was all vegetable based and I could even drop it into water and watch it dissolve.  Not that rice bran would stop me if it would be this great, awesome product but what else is in it that I don't know about?

 

I can eat spinach, acorn squash, pork rinds now.  (Amazing).  Maybe I'll retry the SCDVitamins soon.

 

Debbie 41 cd

 

I've heard of nutrilite. They're made by the Amway/Quixtar corporation, and I used to the vitamins years ago, when my parents were Amway resellers. (I'm not a fan of Amway by the way). In the past, people were required to buy the vitamins from an Amway reseller, not sure if that's still the case though.

The vitamins are okay, but I'm not sure how well they would fit into the SCD. They're high-quality vitamins, that much I know, and very expensive. Most people are required to take two a day, along with their meals. They're also organic, and made out of " live " ingredients/plant materials.

But, again, not sure how well this would fit into an SCD diet, when I took the vitamins back in the 1990s. Nor, what ingredients they have now.

>> Has anyone ever heard of Nutrilite Vitamins?>

> These are supposed to be wheat, sugar, iron, alfalfa, vitamin K-free.> > The two questions I have are watercress concentrate and Molybdenum.> > Insolitol is in a different vitamin--the multi, is that legal?

> > Thanks,> Debbie>

[Guest guest]

I've never heard of Melaleuca before. What is it? And what types of things does

it sell?

Amway, I'm not a fan of for various reasons. My parents were in it for years,

and although they push their products, (in my opinion) I think that those at the

" top " make the most money by selling their tapes and books at Amway conventions

all over the country.

BTW. this might be helpful. I found it on a National Institutes of Health site

listing Nutrilite's ingredients:

http://dietarysupplements.nlm.nih.gov/dietary/detail.jsp?contain=01002019 & name=N\

utrilite+Daily+Multivitamin+and+Multimineral & pageD=brand

INGREDIENTS:

Nutrilite Concentrate [Tricalcium Phosphate, Magnesium Oxide, Alfalfa

Concentrate (Leaf And Stem), Alfalfa/Watercress/Parsley Concentrate, Kelp,

Acerola Concentrate (Malpighia Glabra) (Fruit), Spinach Dehydrate (Spinacia

Oleracea) (Leaf And Stem), Electrolytic Iron,

Carrot Pulp Powder (Daucus Carota) (Root), Vitamin B-12], Calcium Carbonate,

Ascorbic Acid, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Dicalcium Phosphate,

D-Alpha-Tocopheryl Acid Succinate, Niacinamide, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Fumarate,

Copper Gluconate, Sodium Carboxymethylcellulose, Calcium Pantothenate, Sucrose,

Acacia, Magnesium Stearate, Corn Starch, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose,

Maltodextrin, Manganese Sulfate, Starch, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride,

Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Acetate, Gelatin, Dextrose, Beta Carotene,

Glycerin Resin, Folic Acid, Chromium Chloride, Biotin, Sodium Molybdate,

Potassium Iodide, D-Alpha-Tocopherol, Sodium Selenite, Carnauba Wax,

Phytonadione, Vitamin D3.

[Guest guest]

At 02:40 PM 5/2/2010, you wrote:

INGREDIENTS:

Nutrilite Concentrate [Tricalcium Phosphate, Magnesium Oxide, Alfalfa

Concentrate (Leaf And Stem), Alfalfa/Watercress/Parsley Concentrate,

Kelp, Acerola Concentrate (Malpighia Glabra) (Fruit), Spinach Dehydrate

(Spinacia Oleracea) (Leaf And Stem), Electrolytic Iron,

Carrot Pulp Powder (Daucus Carota) (Root), Vitamin B-12], Calcium

Carbonate, Ascorbic Acid, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Dicalcium

Phosphate, D-Alpha-Tocopheryl Acid Succinate, Niacinamide, Zinc Oxide,

Ferrous Fumarate, Copper Gluconate, Sodium Carboxymethylcellulose,

Calcium Pantothenate, Sucrose,

Acacia, Magnesium Stearate, Corn

Starch, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose,

Maltodextrin, Manganese Sulfate,

Starch, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine

Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Acetate, Gelatin,

Dextrose, Beta Carotene, Glycerin Resin, Folic Acid, Chromium Chloride,

Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Potassium Iodide, D-Alpha-Tocopherol, Sodium

Selenite, Carnauba Wax, Phytonadione, Vitamin D3.

There's probably more, but sucrose, corn starch, starch, and maltodextrin

leap out at me. THis product is emphatically not legal.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Agreed.  And the subject has gotten way OT.

 

Sorry,

debbie 41 cd

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm wrote:

 

At 02:40 PM 5/2/2010, you wrote:

INGREDIENTS:Nutrilite Concentrate [Tricalcium Phosphate, Magnesium Oxide, Alfalfa Concentrate (Leaf And Stem), Alfalfa/Watercress/Parsley Concentrate, Kelp, Acerola Concentrate (Malpighia Glabra) (Fruit), Spinach Dehydrate (Spinacia Oleracea) (Leaf And Stem), Electrolytic Iron,

Carrot Pulp Powder (Daucus Carota) (Root), Vitamin B-12], Calcium Carbonate, Ascorbic Acid, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Dicalcium Phosphate, D-Alpha-Tocopheryl Acid Succinate, Niacinamide, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Fumarate, Copper Gluconate, Sodium Carboxymethylcellulose, Calcium Pantothenate, Sucrose, Acacia, Magnesium Stearate, Corn Starch, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Maltodextrin, Manganese Sulfate, Starch, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Acetate, Gelatin, Dextrose, Beta Carotene, Glycerin Resin, Folic Acid, Chromium Chloride, Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Potassium Iodide, D-Alpha-Tocopherol, Sodium Selenite, Carnauba Wax, Phytonadione, Vitamin D3.

There's probably more, but sucrose, corn starch, starch, and maltodextrin leap out at me. THis product is emphatically not legal.

— Marilyn    New Orleans, Louisiana, USA    Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001    Darn Good SCD Cook

    No Human Children    Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund     Babette the Foundling Beagle       

[Guest guest]

I haven't used Nutrilite in years...

But one question Marilyn, is Gelatin a legal ingredient? I have several vitamins

that claim they free of different ingredients but list Gelatin as an

ingredient...

Could a gelatin contain a starch?

> >INGREDIENTS:

> >Nutrilite Concentrate [Tricalcium Phosphate,

> >Magnesium Oxide, Alfalfa Concentrate (Leaf And

> >Stem), Alfalfa/Watercress/Parsley Concentrate,

> >Kelp, Acerola Concentrate (Malpighia Glabra)

> >(Fruit), Spinach Dehydrate (Spinacia Oleracea)

> >(Leaf And Stem), Electrolytic Iron,

> >Carrot Pulp Powder (Daucus Carota) (Root),

> >Vitamin B-12], Calcium Carbonate, Ascorbic Acid,

> >Microcrystalline Cellulose, Dicalcium Phosphate,

> >D-Alpha-Tocopheryl Acid Succinate, Niacinamide,

> >Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Fumarate, Copper Gluconate,

> >Sodium Carboxymethylcellulose, Calcium

> >Pantothenate, Sucrose, Acacia, Magnesium

> >Stearate, Corn Starch, Hydroxypropyl

> >Methylcellulose, Maltodextrin, Manganese

> >Sulfate, Starch, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine

> >Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A

> >Acetate, Gelatin, Dextrose, Beta Carotene,

> >Glycerin Resin, Folic Acid, Chromium Chloride,

> >Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Potassium Iodide,

> >D-Alpha-Tocopherol, Sodium Selenite, Carnauba Wax, Phytonadione, Vitamin D3.

>

>

> There's probably more, but sucrose, corn starch,

> starch, and maltodextrin leap out at me. THis

> product is emphatically not legal.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> Babette the Foundling Beagle

>

[Guest guest]

Gelatin is legal.  It's on the intro.  Knox has plain gelatin and digestivewellness.com has a kosher gelatin.

 

Debbie 41 cd

 

I haven't used Nutrilite in years...But one question Marilyn, is Gelatin a legal ingredient? I have several vitamins that claim they free of different ingredients but list Gelatin as an ingredient...

Could a gelatin contain a starch?

> >INGREDIENTS:> >Nutrilite Concentrate [Tricalcium Phosphate, > >Magnesium Oxide, Alfalfa Concentrate (Leaf And > >Stem), Alfalfa/Watercress/Parsley Concentrate, > >Kelp, Acerola Concentrate (Malpighia Glabra)

> >(Fruit), Spinach Dehydrate (Spinacia Oleracea) > >(Leaf And Stem), Electrolytic Iron,> >Carrot Pulp Powder (Daucus Carota) (Root), > >Vitamin B-12], Calcium Carbonate, Ascorbic Acid,

> >Microcrystalline Cellulose, Dicalcium Phosphate, > >D-Alpha-Tocopheryl Acid Succinate, Niacinamide, > >Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Fumarate, Copper Gluconate, > >Sodium Carboxymethylcellulose, Calcium

> >Pantothenate, Sucrose, Acacia, Magnesium > >Stearate, Corn Starch, Hydroxypropyl > >Methylcellulose, Maltodextrin, Manganese > >Sulfate, Starch, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine > >Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A

> >Acetate, Gelatin, Dextrose, Beta Carotene, > >Glycerin Resin, Folic Acid, Chromium Chloride, > >Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Potassium Iodide, > >D-Alpha-Tocopherol, Sodium Selenite, Carnauba Wax, Phytonadione, Vitamin D3.

> > > There's probably more, but sucrose, corn starch, > starch, and maltodextrin leap out at me. THis > product is emphatically not legal.> > > — Marilyn> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001> Darn Good SCD Cook> No Human Children> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund> Babette the Foundling Beagle>

[Guest guest]

At 08:30 PM 5/2/2010, you wrote:

Marilyn, is Gelatin a legal

ingredient?

Yes, so long as it's just gelatin -- look at lots of the recipes. They

have gelatin in them. <g> And how to you make juice gelatin without

gelatin?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

> >Marilyn, is Gelatin a legal ingredient?

>

> Yes, so long as it's just gelatin -- look at lots

> of the recipes. They have gelatin in them. <g>

> And how to you make juice gelatin without gelatin?

>

I think you would have to find out more about the source of the gelatin, as they

don't inform you whether its from an animal or vegetable source. Some gelatin

is made from seaweed, and we are not permitted that on SCD. If its from an

animal source, then it is OK.

Licia

UC/SCD feb 2006

no meds since 2006

[Guest guest]

Thanks Debbie and Marilyn for the reminder on canned lentils. It's been awhile since I read BTVC, I forgot :(Debbie:If you're avoiding vitamin K, I would not get heavily into alfalfa.. it's a great source

>Spinach ...

>It actually goes straight through undigested so I'm re-trying

it after not being able to eat it in >years.doh! hmm.. have you tried pureeing it after steaming? that might help a little.. makes a difference for me>There are lots of other nutrients that help with iron building. I think actually alfalfa is >recommended. I know chlorophyll is.

>I checked the Vitamin Shoppe and it wasn't with the iron or blood building section.  It was being >touted as a detox kind of.  I didn't like what I read on most of those bottles.Not sure if you are referring to alfalfa, or chlorophyll. Again, I would watch the alfalfa if you are watching vitamin K. As to their uses, most nutrients, especially more food derived, or even just foods, have multiple uses.

I would _not_ consider the vitamin shoppe in any way shape or form a good source of research information. Vitamin sellers in general I try not to use as research sources, especially big mainstream ones. I always try, and advise everyone else, to get there research information somewhere else. They are focusing on sales (and marketing). They will say anything to sell you something, which includes overemphasizing information at times and completely leaving out other information, and spinning things, at the very least. At the least, Is there a good, local health food store in your town that has a supplement section, hopefully with an expert staff member? beyond that, I would not get info from stores. I think you mentioned going to whole foods. The whole foods supplement staff I have encountered in California and New York have been woefully and dangerously ignorant, and full of terribly partial information and bad advice.

Most chlorophyll supplements I have seen are alfalfa derived. I don't know how much vitamin K goes through, in the isolation processing.Everytime I find myself in a WF supplement section, i find myself getting very, very angry, very very fast.

>Are you taking a multivitamin? Does it have minerals?

>Yes, I take a multi and then some atm.  With minerals.What is atm.? >I really don't think any special multivitamin of any kind is going to be helpful in restoring your >iron. Good multivitamins are all pretty equally useful in this sense, you can't really get them >enhanced to be very helpful with iron. Those people are seriously messing with you.

>Repliva 21/7 which is illegal really built me up fast.  It's no longer and prescription but the >generic versions are not as good and harder to tolerate.Yeah, but Repliva is an iron specific supplement, _not_ a multivitamin. Anyone who tries selling a multivitamin as an iron deficiency cure is out of their head.>Which SCD legal vitamins do you have trouble tolerating? What happens, are the quantities too >high, or is it a different issue?

>They seem to come right back up.  I can't keep them down.  Even splitting them doesn't help.  I >think it may be because they are 'straight' vitamins and uncoated.  Very potent to me.  I'll try >them again later.hmm.. have you tried a vitamin powder, commonly used with kids, mixed with food? You can try as little as you want at a time, in as large a quantity of food. Might help.I am not surprised that you find SCD legal vitamins more potent. The Freeda ones I've tried are high quality, much better than most stuff you can buy at the store.

But, you said  you are taking a  multivitamin now, but you said not taking a SCD legal one? Does that mean you are taking an SCD illegal one? That would concern me.I would also not mess with rice bran. I did that unwittingly, I was lied to by a incompetent representive on a specialty supplement that listed no inactives. She assured me it was pure, except for an unlisted capsule, which she assured me was just cellulose. it bore a small painful hole in my colon lining Later they started listing their inactives on their labels, and there was  rice bran filler.

best,

 

 

Wow.Yeah, I think these people are messing with you.

 

They are probably good vitamins, just not SCD.

sure - molybdenum, amongst many vitamins and minerals, probably helps with iron stores. The amount you would get from their multivitamin is probably not very significant, especially compared to any other multivitamin including molybdenum. For instance, the multivitamin they sell I found on their website, the only product on their website with molybdenum, had 25 mcg. Freeda's SCD legal has 12.5 mcg. Not a very large difference at all.

hmmm..........Well, I would not take an iron supplement. Elaine advises strongly against it. Back in the day, I in desperation went against this advice. Foolishly. Caused me a bad flare.

They constipate me rather than flaring me.  They are extremely hard to tolerate on my stomach also.

2. iron supplements are lousy anyways. It's not a good form of iron, and it doesn't absorb well.

The prescription ones originally worked great but they stopped manufacturing them so I had to go to a generic which kills my gut.

 

well, cheers to you buying beets.What else have you tried?

Several things, food and supplements, blood transfusions, etc.

Are you aware of the interactions of Heme and Non-Heme iron?Heme iron is only in meat. It aborbs great. Non-heme is more abundant, but does not absorb as well. It is only availible in vegetables.

BUT, if you combine heme with non-heme, the heme improves the absorbtion of the non-hemeThus, combining meat with non-meat iron foods is best.Also, vitamin C enhances the absorbtion of iron.Thus, a meal like chili - meat, beans, and vitamin c from tomatoes, is described as an ideal iron builder.

Vitamin C degrades fast, it is best when fresh. It is availible in a wide variety of fruits and vegetables, like cooked carrots. Oranges are a very good source, whole oranges are usually better than juice, if you juice them I hear you have to drink it real fast to get the full benefits of the vitamin C (it degrades real fast)

I take a vitamin c 500mg after I eat.  I also put fresh lemon juice on just about everything I cook or eat.

Can you eat lentils? I use these when my iron gets low. I just buy a can of organic lentils, I don't think it's cooked but you can eat them straight out of the can. That's what Ido. I can't tolerate them right now, but when I can I like to eat a can a day, at least a half a can, usually 1/2 can in a meal. It's probably far cheaper to cook them up from dried lentils though that's what I used to do when I was less busy.

Not so good with lentils.  I eat baby limas, azuki, purple hull, kidney, white beans, black beans and hummus made 1000 ways.

Also, are you getting enough b12? This can be a major factor with iron. b12 can only be gotten sufficiently from foods from red meat. Otherwise, it needs to be supplemented sublingually (hard if not impossible for a SCDer) or with shots (I sometimes give them to myself, it's easy)

I have a patch that seems legal.  Goes behind the ear for 24 hours once per week.  I think it's at b12patch.com or something like that.  I can feel it and really would like to have a new one by the third day (mid-way between patches).

 

Spinach is great. Organic is best. Always, with minerals, organic is best. conventional farming completely strips soils of minerals. I think when I was comparing spinach products the frozen organic had like 12% or 14% RDA per serving (which is good for an iron food), whereas the conventional had like 2%-3%..

It actually goes straight through undigested so I'm re-trying it after not being able to eat it in years.

There are lots of other nutrients that help with iron building. I think actually alfalfa is recommended. I know chlorophyll is.

I checked the Vitamin Shoppe and it wasn't with the iron or blood building section.  It was being touted as a detox kind of.  I didn't like what I read on most of those bottles.

Vitamin A is also greatly recommended for rebuilding iron stores. Are you getting enough vitamin A? it's sometimes hard for IBDers with vitamin A. I would definitely recommend a vitamin A supplement while you are trying to increase iron. Be careful - do not take too much vitamin A. I recommend supplementing it from fish oil since you are IBD, beta-carotene might not convert as well. Unless you know that you have a significant vitamin A deficiency and are carefully treating that, I would NOT go over 10,000 IUs of vitamin A a day. That should be plenty. Careful - when taking a vitamin A supplement from animal form (fish form) (retinol etc.), it depletes vitamin D, you'll need to supplement that too - for 10,000 IUs vitamin A you need 5,000 IUs vitamin D. You can buy 1000 IU vitamin D fish oil pills (I _DEF_ recommend a 'wet' or fish oil vitamin D), or you can use vitamin D liquid drops, 1000 IU per drop, they are great and completely flavorless you can just put 5 drops on your tongue, I would recommend that.

I have a great vitamin for A, B, C, E, D and I think that's it but I have been unable to find it lately.  So I've been out for about a week.  Hopefully I'll find it again.

There are other cofactors/improvers. I wouldn't sweat it too much I would focus on eating a variety of whole foods that have lots of iron, they usually have cofactors in them.Have you tried marrow bone/marrow bone broth? This is a great source of minerals. I highly recommend it.

Yes, whenever I can find decent medium cut beef shanks I get them.

How come you expressed interest in avoiding vitamin K? vitamin K is very good for you, frequently deficient in IBDer's due to dysbiosis. It's also a great general blood builder..

I'm a natural clumper so the doctors advised me to avoid vitamin K as I seem to produce too much ;-).

Are you taking a multivitamin? Does it have minerals?

Yes, I take a multi and then some atm.  With minerals.

Supplementing minerals like molybdenum is always a little dicey... minerals from supplement form are never quite the same as food form. They don't absorb as well, and they can actually cause problems sometimes. I've done it, I do it sometimes, but only because I am totally desperate, and I'm aware that it's not a good idea. i do not do it very often.

for an extreme example, copper is actually helpful with building iron. But people say you should really never touch supplemental copper, it's very different from foods, works differently, absorbs terribly (and goes into other areas of your body as a result), and can cause massive massive problems.

Supplementing minerals is also problematic in so many ways, such as they have so many cofactors that have to be present for proper absorption. For example, the classic case is calcium. Calcium NEEDS magnesium to absorb. If you don't take magnesium with your calcium, the calcium goes into other areas of your body - can cause arthritis, hyperactivity, and alzheimer's.

Most calcium supplements have some magnesium as a result. Good ones also have vitamin D for proper absorption. Really good calcium supplements have more minerals, like boron, because those are necessary for proper absorption and integration as well. Freeda makes a pretty good calcium supplement, one of if not the best SCD legal ones. It also has mangenese, which is important.

Calcium supplements should also be taken at night - they absorb better at night.

I hopefully get a lot of calcium from cheese, DCCC and yogurt.  I'll look into it when I put some other fires out.  I had chewables 3x per day but they aren't legal so I haven't used them since 2005.

Another example, zinc supplements should have some copper or they can cause problems. Also, you should not take more than 30 mg zinc a day or else it will start interfering with your immune system.My point is, minerals have very complex cofactors and interactions, and it's inherently not a good idea supplementing them anyways. Molybdenum is handy, I wouldn't try supplementing it outside of a good multivitamin. Good ones have it anyways.

Again, I would focus on whole foods, with maybe some vitamin supplementation as with vitamin A (and D).

Right, the diet is focused towards iron in whole foods.  That's why my family thinks I eat 'weird' foods.  Some people don't like liver, beets and spinach--especially all at one sitting.  The think potatoes are a food group ;-).

A wide variety of foods is best. Fruits, vegetables, and tolerable legumes. Variety and diversity ensures sources of the many vitamins and minerals etc. you need. For example, apricots are a great source of copper. Strawberries are good for some iron too, although not as good as beets/spinach/lentils. Green peas are good too

I'm a strawberry fiend--have to watch lentils (btw, canned is illegal unless you canned it so they have to be dried).  Green peas, unless they are very young, tiny baby green peas, I avoid completely.  Don't ask why.  Every once in awhile I'll find the miniature baby frozen peas which are ok for me.

Freeda's multivitamin is pretty good. If you want a better one, i don't know how to find a better SCD legal one, because better multivitamins usually source their nutrients from foods more, including those foods in small amounts(!) in the vitamin, which usually makes them SCD illegal fast. I am very impressed with the quality of Freeda's SCD vitamins though.

I'm sorry you had that terrible experience with those people. It makes me angry too!!! bullshitters and exploiters

 

There's a lot of people pushing wellness products.

Oh yeah, with iron, always watch out for iron absorption inhibitors - those are dairy, soy (heh), and eggs. This is why most Americans (especially women) who are iron deficient are iron deficient - too much iron inhibitors in the small quantities of iron meals that they are eating. cheese on spinach may taste good, but don't expect to absorb any iron from it heh.

And of course liver is a really really great iron source/builder.I really don't think any special multivitamin of any kind is going to be helpful in restoring your iron. Good multivitamins are all pretty equally useful in this sense, you can't really get them enhanced to be very helpful with iron. Those people are seriously messing with you.

Repliva 21/7 which is illegal really built me up fast.  It's no longer and prescription but the generic versions are not as good and harder to tolerate.

 

Which SCD legal vitamins do you have trouble tolerating? What happens, are the quantities too high, or is it a different issue?

They seem to come right back up.  I can't keep them down.  Even splitting them doesn't help.  I think it may be because they are 'straight' vitamins and uncoated.  Very potent to me.  I'll try them again later.

Well, again I'm sorry you ran into those people. Best wishes on your restoring your iron. I hope I've been somewhat helpful at all.

Yep, thanks.  Cherries and shrimp are also high in iron.  I really like pan fried chicken liver with lots and lots of garlic so it's not all bad ;-).Best :)p.s. Parsley's helpful too oh, and if you can tolerate dried fruit, raisins

 

Believe it or not, I just planted some parsley on the patio and it looks great (dried oregano too) so I'll be using lots of it.  Dried raisins--very sparingly.

 

Ok, back under the heating pad for a few before my boss comes later--!

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I get Candidase at Vitamin Shoppe--it's behind the counter before you go through all the run around with the sales people.  I also bought Nutiva Coconut Oil there.  I don't speak to sales people unless I'm looking desparately for something (candidase which is behind the counter).  They have better prices and more choices sometimes than WF.  It just depends on the product.  They do not have 'foods' which I sometimes have a hard time avoiding--at least not the tempting foods.

 

Repliva 21/7 (illegal) was on voluntarily recall so I was prescribed a generic.  It is definitely not as easy to tolerate.

 

Gelatin is legal, Knox plain or the brand sold by Digestivewellness.com.  I've read that one is from pork and the kosher is from fish.

 

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