Re: Confused newbie- questions. re. supplements, leaky gut, biliary inssuficiency

April 18, 2010

Hey,SCD can help with some liver problems, in terms of naturally detoxing, and stopping your damaged colon from overworking/clogging your liver, but I'm not at all sure that it would really necessarily solve bilary insufficiency. i don't know. However, I would not mess with illegal supplements. The fanatical adherence thing is a pretty big deal. I would take it as far as you can. Also, besides, there is probably an SCD legal way to treat bilary insufficiency, I would check that out.

Best,

Ok, so I'm 12 days into SCD and I've run into some issues for which I need your help and opinions.

First off, my medical doctor originally suspected that I have ulcerative colitis based on my symptoms, however, I have decided to seek naturopathic care for my problems and have since found enough improvement to forgo the colonoscopy at least for the time being.

That said, my naturopath suspects that I have other issues as well (leaky gut, biliary insufficiency, low stomach acid & candida overgrowth). My problem is this, she would like me to take supplements that aren't SCD compliant. For the leaky gut she'd like me to take a supplement that contains jerusalem artichoke (illegal) and for the biliary insufficiency she would like me to take a supplement that contains bile salts, but which contains " food glaze " (and according to the pecanbread site, this also seems to be illegal).

I would like to know if anyone out there is aware if SCD can help over time with leaky gut issues? (I also have a lot of food sensitivities/intolerances...). If this is the case, I will forgo that supplement.

Now in terms of the supplement for the biliary insufficiency, I'm not sure what to do. In the book's appendix where Elaine talks about vitamin supplements, she clearly says, " If you take vitamins with starch and other forbidden carbohydrates, you lose the benefit of the diet. " So I assume in taking the supplement with the food glaze, I'd be sabotaging my SCD efforts. So I guess I should not take it? I'm just wondering how far we take this fanatical adherence? Like I'm not on my death bed, nor in pain with this biliary insufficiency issue (TMI warning- my main symptom is just white stools). If I eat yogurt (I've completely stopped for now) and eat too much fat, I have the symptom, but I can more or less control it by eating less fat and upping my intake of vegetables like dandelion (which I'll try juicing). Is there anyone else out there with biliary insufficiency or liver/gallbladder problems that could maybe give me their insight as to whether I should forgo this supplement?

Not sure if this is too highly specific information, but anyone's insight into this whole debate as to whether to take or not take supplements/meds for issues that are unrelated to SCD would be appreciated. (then again, maybe gallbladder/liver issues are something that SCD can help???).

Thanks!

Meli

April 18, 2010

wait, what did your medical doctor say about the white stools? it might be important to get a good idea of exactly what's causing it. some causes can be quite serious. did he do any tests?best,

Hey,SCD can help with some liver problems, in terms of naturally detoxing, and stopping your damaged colon from overworking/clogging your liver, but I'm not at all sure that it would really necessarily solve bilary insufficiency. i don't know. However, I would not mess with illegal supplements. The fanatical adherence thing is a pretty big deal. I would take it as far as you can. Also, besides, there is probably an SCD legal way to treat bilary insufficiency, I would check that out.

Best,

Ok, so I'm 12 days into SCD and I've run into some issues for which I need your help and opinions.

First off, my medical doctor originally suspected that I have ulcerative colitis based on my symptoms, however, I have decided to seek naturopathic care for my problems and have since found enough improvement to forgo the colonoscopy at least for the time being.

That said, my naturopath suspects that I have other issues as well (leaky gut, biliary insufficiency, low stomach acid & candida overgrowth). My problem is this, she would like me to take supplements that aren't SCD compliant. For the leaky gut she'd like me to take a supplement that contains jerusalem artichoke (illegal) and for the biliary insufficiency she would like me to take a supplement that contains bile salts, but which contains " food glaze " (and according to the pecanbread site, this also seems to be illegal).

I would like to know if anyone out there is aware if SCD can help over time with leaky gut issues? (I also have a lot of food sensitivities/intolerances...). If this is the case, I will forgo that supplement.

Now in terms of the supplement for the biliary insufficiency, I'm not sure what to do. In the book's appendix where Elaine talks about vitamin supplements, she clearly says, " If you take vitamins with starch and other forbidden carbohydrates, you lose the benefit of the diet. " So I assume in taking the supplement with the food glaze, I'd be sabotaging my SCD efforts. So I guess I should not take it? I'm just wondering how far we take this fanatical adherence? Like I'm not on my death bed, nor in pain with this biliary insufficiency issue (TMI warning- my main symptom is just white stools). If I eat yogurt (I've completely stopped for now) and eat too much fat, I have the symptom, but I can more or less control it by eating less fat and upping my intake of vegetables like dandelion (which I'll try juicing). Is there anyone else out there with biliary insufficiency or liver/gallbladder problems that could maybe give me their insight as to whether I should forgo this supplement?

Not sure if this is too highly specific information, but anyone's insight into this whole debate as to whether to take or not take supplements/meds for issues that are unrelated to SCD would be appreciated. (then again, maybe gallbladder/liver issues are something that SCD can help???).

Thanks!

Meli

April 20, 2010

Mara,

When you say a box of gelatin do you mean a full box with the little separate packets inside? You use all the packets?DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 8 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 6:28:52 PMSubject: Re: Re: Confused newbie- questions. re. supplements, leaky gut, biliary inssuficiency

Make coconut milk - but add honey and or dates - I use both - so thebacteria have something to eat. Then add starter to coconut milk as you would for regular yogurt - onlydon't boil the milk first or anything - just make it right after you haveseaparated out the milk and ferment in normal fashion for about 8 hours. Shake the coconut milk up a few times during this process in a mostly vain attempt to keep it from separating while fermenting. When it is done, it will be even runnier than goat's milk - but the texture is a little different than when you started. And so is the smell. If you taste it at this point, it is not delicious, and pretty much tastes like the nut yogurt used to. Not soyum. When you are finished fermenting the yogurt, shake up the yogurt again then add the gelatin. Follow gelatin instructions - add some water to the contents of a box of gelatin and let the powder gelatinize

thoroughly, which takesa little while - when it has become gelatinous, melt it over very low heat (or on top of a double boiler if you prefer). Then add this to your yogurt - do not taste the yogurt at this point because it will discourage you (again!). Shake it up again - realizing that it will probably separate anyway. Oh well. Add some vanilla, too. Then wait a whole bunch of hours or overnight (depending when youstarted the cooling down period - I think 6-8 hours is pretty key) and taste your coconut yogurt gelatin. You'll pretty much have to mix theyogurt cream into the yogurt water, but the whole thing is really good. I eatit plain and with fruit. Mara

April 20, 2010

Here's my prior dialogue with Amelia about this:Mara,The way I tried it was making the coconut milk, putting in the proper fermenting temperature range with a tablespoon or so of honey, adding the starter powder, then fermented it for about 8 - 10 hours. Dissolve/melt the gelatin! (soak in about 1 tablespoon or so warm water 10 mins then melt over a double boiler until just melted),how much gelatin do you use? A whole package? or 1 tablespoon - or is 1 tablespoon the warm water? Depends on how much coconut milk you are using. I think most gelatin packets contain about a 1 TBSP of crystals, so use all with about 2 cups of coconut milk for a very firm yogurt or use half for a softer one. It is whatever you prefer. If you use all, you might need to use 2 tablespoons of water for the soaking.!So two packets of gelatin for a quart or slightly more coconut yogurt. If your packet contains more gelatin, don't use the whole thing. MaraMara, When you say a box of gelatin do you mean a full box with the little separate packets inside? You use all the packets?DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 8 weeksTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 6:28:52 PMSubject: Re: Re: Confused newbie- questions. re. supplements, leaky gut, biliary inssuficiencyMake coconut milk - but add honey and or dates - I use both - so thebacteria have something to eat. Then add starter to coconut milk as you would for regular yogurt - onlydon't boil the milk first or anything - just make it right after you haveseaparated out the milk and ferment in normal fashion for about 8 hours. Shake the coconut milk up a few times during this process in a mostly vain attempt to keep it from separating while fermenting. When it is done, it will be even runnier than goat's milk - but the texture is a little different than when you started. And so is the smell. If you taste it at this point, it is not delicious, and pretty much tastes like the nut yogurt used to. Not soyum. When you are finished fermenting the yogurt, shake up the yogurt again then add the gelatin. Follow gelatin instructions - add some water to the contents of a box of gelatin and let the powder gelatinize thoroughly, which takesa little while - when it has become gelatinous, melt it over very low heat (or on top of a double boiler if you prefer). Then add this to your yogurt - do not taste the yogurt at this point because it will discourage you (again!). Shake it up again - realizing that it will probably separate anyway. Oh well. Add some vanilla, too. Then wait a whole bunch of hours or overnight (depending when youstarted the cooling down period - I think 6-8 hours is pretty key) and taste your coconut yogurt gelatin. You'll pretty much have to mix theyogurt cream into the yogurt water, but the whole thing is really good. I eatit plain and with fruit. Mara

April 20, 2010

Thanks Mara!

Any tips on a method for shaking?

Jodi

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> >>> Thanks Mara for the explanation about leaky gut in relation to UC. I

didn't know all that. I did an elimination diet back when I started with my

naturopath and all dairy was revealed to be a problem for me, but of course I

just assumed I must have an intolerance to lactose. She didn't mention a

possible casein intolerance, however, after consuming the SCD homemade yogurt

and having issues, I'm thinking it's a possibility. I may try goat's milk

yogurt (homemade) many months down the road when I'll be [hopefully] feeling

better. For now, I guess it's just going to be zero dairy, except for ghee!

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> >> You can make coconut milk yogurt with gelatin - which is really delicious.

> >> In a few weeks, I've become pretty addicted to it.

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> >> At the moment, I'm in the no dairy club, too - not even ghee. So, welcome.

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> >> Mara

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April 20, 2010

Mara,

How do you add the dates and or honey?