Bad reaction: organic cheddar or too much shrimp?

[Guest guest]

Hi group,

I've been on SCD 48 days. I haven't tried the yogurt yet but have been eating

stage 2 and some stage 3 foods without any problem. However, yesterday I ate

about a teaspoon of organic cheddar cheese with enzymes and no rennet. Afterward

I felt a little off and had a headache, and this morning my BM was very loose

after being more toward medium, and some even close to normal, for the last few

weeks, and I was nauseous for the first half of today.

My husband doesn't think such a small piece of cheese could cause such a bad

reaction. But then, he doesn't have IBS. I didn't eat anything else out of the

ordinary, just more shrimp than usual with dinner last night, but I've had

shrimp in the last few weeks and it didn't bother me. But I did eat a LOT of

shrimp last night!

So could such a small piece of cheese cause that kind of reaction, or could it

be that I ate too much shrimp? I haven't had cheese, milk or any dairy product

except cultured butter in the last 18 months because cheese especially had made

me sick. I'm leaning toward the cheese, but my husband thinks it's the shrimp.

Not that I want to settle an argument or anything, I'd just like to know so I

won't make the same mistake.

Tamra in Gilroy

SCD Day 48

LDN Day 224

[Guest guest]

In my experience it could be either. I've once had a bad reaction to very small

quantity of home made goat cheese. (I've never had goat cheese since then). I

know for sure that if I over eat, the next day I will have loose bm.

Sorry to not have a definite answer but I think experimenting is the only way to

find out for sure.

Take care,

Raj

UC 2+ years

SCD 4 months

>

> Hi group,

>

> I've been on SCD 48 days. I haven't tried the yogurt yet but have been eating

stage 2 and some stage 3 foods without any problem. However, yesterday I ate

about a teaspoon of organic cheddar cheese with enzymes and no rennet. Afterward

I felt a little off and had a headache, and this morning my BM was very loose

after being more toward medium, and some even close to normal, for the last few

weeks, and I was nauseous for the first half of today.

>

> My husband doesn't think such a small piece of cheese could cause such a bad

reaction. But then, he doesn't have IBS. I didn't eat anything else out of the

ordinary, just more shrimp than usual with dinner last night, but I've had

shrimp in the last few weeks and it didn't bother me. But I did eat a LOT of

shrimp last night!

>

> So could such a small piece of cheese cause that kind of reaction, or could it

be that I ate too much shrimp? I haven't had cheese, milk or any dairy product

except cultured butter in the last 18 months because cheese especially had made

me sick. I'm leaning toward the cheese, but my husband thinks it's the shrimp.

Not that I want to settle an argument or anything, I'd just like to know so I

won't make the same mistake.

>

> Tamra in Gilroy

> SCD Day 48

> LDN Day 224

>

[Guest guest]

Tamra,Given that you haven't eaten dairy in the last 18 months, I would suspect the cheese as well. Also given that you have been on SCD for a little while and have not taken the yogurt (and I assume no acidophilus capsules either), then you might have a slight yeast issue and when eating something like cheddar cheese you are getting a bit of mold from the aging which could set off the yeast a bit. I have heard of people receiving minute amounts of wheat through cross contamination who have very definite reactions, so don't let small quantities fool you. Your husband has a point that it could have been the shrimp, but not because it was shrimp in and of itself, it is possible that your gut didn't like more food than normal at one time. My husband is like that. Can't eat

too much at one meal because the actual weight of the food causes him problems.AmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 5:00:45 AMSubject: Bad reaction: organic cheddar or too much shrimp?

Hi group,

I've been on SCD 48 days. I haven't tried the yogurt yet but have been eating stage 2 and some stage 3 foods without any problem. However, yesterday I ate about a teaspoon of organic cheddar cheese with enzymes and no rennet. Afterward I felt a little off and had a headache, and this morning my BM was very loose after being more toward medium, and some even close to normal, for the last few weeks, and I was nauseous for the first half of today.

My husband doesn't think such a small piece of cheese could cause such a bad reaction. But then, he doesn't have IBS. I didn't eat anything else out of the ordinary, just more shrimp than usual with dinner last night, but I've had shrimp in the last few weeks and it didn't bother me. But I did eat a LOT of shrimp last night!

So could such a small piece of cheese cause that kind of reaction, or could it be that I ate too much shrimp? I haven't had cheese, milk or any dairy product except cultured butter in the last 18 months because cheese especially had made me sick. I'm leaning toward the cheese, but my husband thinks it's the shrimp. Not that I want to settle an argument or anything, I'd just like to know so I won't make the same mistake.

Tamra in Gilroy

SCD Day 48

LDN Day 224

[Guest guest]

If there is no rennet, does that mean it wasn't aged or cultured?  That could be the problem.

 

Did you boil your own shrimp?  I recently bought some at the meat counter that had been boiled there and packaged.  So I held a piece down for the elder cat and he immediately started going into some breathing reaction (he's very very picky, only eats fresh plain chicken and sometimes shrimp).  He wouldn't touch the shrimp and after seeing his reaction I decided to make my own.  It is fast, easy and tastes better anyway.

 

Tamra,Given that you haven't eaten dairy in the last 18 months, I would suspect the cheese as well.  Also given that you have been on SCD for a little while and have not taken the yogurt (and I assume no acidophilus capsules either), then you might have a slight yeast issue and when eating something like cheddar cheese you are getting a bit of mold from the aging which could set off the yeast a bit.  I have heard of people receiving minute amounts of wheat through cross contamination who have very definite reactions, so don't let small quantities fool you.  Your husband has a point that it could have been the shrimp, but not because it was shrimp in and of itself, it is possible that your gut didn't like more food than normal at one time.  My husband is like that.  Can't eat too much at one meal because the actual weight of the food causes him problems.

Amelia

To: BTVC-SCD

Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 5:00:45 AMSubject: Bad reaction: organic cheddar or too much shrimp? 

Hi group,I've been on SCD 48 days. I haven't tried the yogurt yet but have been eating stage 2 and some stage 3 foods without any problem. However, yesterday I ate about a teaspoon of organic cheddar cheese with enzymes and no rennet. Afterward I felt a little off and had a headache, and this morning my BM was very loose after being more toward medium, and some even close to normal, for the last few weeks, and I was nauseous for the first half of today.

My husband doesn't think such a small piece of cheese could cause such a bad reaction. But then, he doesn't have IBS. I didn't eat anything else out of the ordinary, just more shrimp than usual with dinner last night, but I've had shrimp in the last few weeks and it didn't bother me. But I did eat a LOT of shrimp last night!

So could such a small piece of cheese cause that kind of reaction, or could it be that I ate too much shrimp? I haven't had cheese, milk or any dairy product except cultured butter in the last 18 months because cheese especially had made me sick. I'm leaning toward the cheese, but my husband thinks it's the shrimp. Not that I want to settle an argument or anything, I'd just like to know so I won't make the same mistake.

Tamra in GilroySCD Day 48LDN Day 224

[Guest guest]

Yes, I definitely have a yeast problem because I've had oral thrush for nearly 3

years. I've been taking the SCDophilus for about a month now. I ate more shrimp

yesterday (just to check) and didn't have a headache or nausea yesterday or this

morning, and had more toward normal BM this morning, so I'm thinking it was the

cheese and I'm just not ready for it.

I've got my non-dairy yogurt starter in the fridge, but haven't made the drive

to Trader Joes to buy some goat milk yet. I'm thinking I should try to get used

to eating yogurt before trying cheese. Is this correct?

I ordered the Walmart yogurt maker yesterday so it should arrive in about a

week. I used to love yogurt so I'm looking forward to that, even though I won't

be able to add honey to it since I have the yeast issues. Plain yogurt is still

good!

Thanks for everything! :-)

Tamra in Gilroy

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> Tamra,

>

> Given that you haven't eaten dairy in the last 18 months, I would suspect the

cheese as well. Also given that you have been on SCD for a little while and

have not taken the yogurt (and I assume no acidophilus capsules either), then

you might have a slight yeast issue and when eating something like cheddar

cheese you are getting a bit of mold from the aging which could set off the

yeast a bit. I have heard of people receiving minute amounts of wheat through

cross contamination who have very definite reactions, so don't let small

quantities fool you. Your husband has a point that it could have been the

shrimp, but not because it was shrimp in and of itself, it is possible that your

gut didn't like more food than normal at one time. My husband is like that.

Can't eat too much at one meal because the actual weight of the food causes him

problems.

>

> Amelia

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> To: BTVC-SCD

> Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 5:00:45 AM

> Subject: Bad reaction: organic cheddar or too much shrimp?

>

>

> Hi group,

>

> I've been on SCD 48 days. I haven't tried the yogurt yet but have been eating

stage 2 and some stage 3 foods without any problem. However, yesterday I ate

about a teaspoon of organic cheddar cheese with enzymes and no rennet. Afterward

I felt a little off and had a headache, and this morning my BM was very loose

after being more toward medium, and some even close to normal, for the last few

weeks, and I was nauseous for the first half of today.

>

> My husband doesn't think such a small piece of cheese could cause such a bad

reaction. But then, he doesn't have IBS. I didn't eat anything else out of the

ordinary, just more shrimp than usual with dinner last night, but I've had

shrimp in the last few weeks and it didn't bother me. But I did eat a LOT of

shrimp last night!

>

> So could such a small piece of cheese cause that kind of reaction, or could it

be that I ate too much shrimp? I haven't had cheese, milk or any dairy product

except cultured butter in the last 18 months because cheese especially had made

me sick. I'm leaning toward the cheese, but my husband thinks it's the shrimp.

Not that I want to settle an argument or anything, I'd just like to know so I

won't make the same mistake.

>

> Tamra in Gilroy

> SCD Day 48

> LDN Day 224

>

[Guest guest]

I think the enzymes in it cultured it, but I don't remember that much about how

cheese is made. I watched a show on it last year, and I think I remember it was

the enzymes that did the culturing....? Anybody know for sure? I'm not sure if

the cheese was aged properly tho because it doesn't say anything on the package

about how long they age it. It just says " organic pasturized milk, salt and

microbial enzymes " .

The shrimp was raw and frozen with nothing added and my husband grilled it on

our grill. We eat it pretty often so the only thing that was different was that

I ate like twice as much as usual, so that could have contributed to the

problem, but since I had a headache and was a little nauseous before eating the

shrimp I think it was the cheese that set me off.

Anyway, I'm pretty much recovered so I'm just going to be careful and not eat

cheese till I'm much more ready, and also not eat quite so much of any food at

one time.

Thanks,

Tamra in Gilroy

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> >

> >

> > Tamra,

> >

> > Given that you haven't eaten dairy in the last 18 months, I would suspect

> > the cheese as well. Also given that you have been on SCD for a little while

> > and have not taken the yogurt (and I assume no acidophilus capsules either),

> > then you might have a slight yeast issue and when eating something like

> > cheddar cheese you are getting a bit of mold from the aging which could set

> > off the yeast a bit. I have heard of people receiving minute amounts of

> > wheat through cross contamination who have very definite reactions, so don't

> > let small quantities fool you. Your husband has a point that it could have

> > been the shrimp, but not because it was shrimp in and of itself, it is

> > possible that your gut didn't like more food than normal at one time. My

> > husband is like that. Can't eat too much at one meal because the actual

> > weight of the food causes him problems.

> >

> > Amelia

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > *From:* Tamra

> > *To:* BTVC-SCD

> > *Sent:* Sat, April 24, 2010 5:00:45 AM

> > *Subject:* Bad reaction: organic cheddar or too much shrimp?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi group,

> >

> > I've been on SCD 48 days. I haven't tried the yogurt yet but have been

> > eating stage 2 and some stage 3 foods without any problem. However,

> > yesterday I ate about a teaspoon of organic cheddar cheese with enzymes and

> > no rennet. Afterward I felt a little off and had a headache, and this

> > morning my BM was very loose after being more toward medium, and some even

> > close to normal, for the last few weeks, and I was nauseous for the first

> > half of today.

> >

> > My husband doesn't think such a small piece of cheese could cause such a

> > bad reaction. But then, he doesn't have IBS. I didn't eat anything else out

> > of the ordinary, just more shrimp than usual with dinner last night, but

> > I've had shrimp in the last few weeks and it didn't bother me. But I did eat

> > a LOT of shrimp last night!

> >

> > So could such a small piece of cheese cause that kind of reaction, or could

> > it be that I ate too much shrimp? I haven't had cheese, milk or any dairy

> > product except cultured butter in the last 18 months because cheese

> > especially had made me sick. I'm leaning toward the cheese, but my husband

> > thinks it's the shrimp. Not that I want to settle an argument or anything,

> > I'd just like to know so I won't make the same mistake.

> >

> > Tamra in Gilroy

> > SCD Day 48

> > LDN Day 224

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It doesn't always take a lot of a food to cause quite a reaction if you

aren't ready for it yet. I'd cut the cheese for awhile. My husband

had trouble validating my food reactions, at least back when they

started, but he seems to have a stainless steel gut and nothing bothers

it, so it was hard for him to realize how much trouble WE can have. I

waited 7 months before I felt it was OK to try dairy, and it was

OK. But most people probably don't have to wait this long.

My husband doesn't think such a small piece of cheese could cause

such a bad reaction.

[Guest guest]

I've got my non-dairy yogurt starter in the fridge, but haven't made the drive to Trader Joes to buy some goat milk yet. I'm thinking I should try to get used to eating yogurt before trying cheese. Is this correct? I personally tolerated the yogurt much better than the cheese. I think in general it's probably easier to digest, since it isn't such a concentrated form of casein and it's fermented. Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

[Guest guest]

At 11:45 AM 4/24/2010, you wrote:

It just says " organic

pasturized milk, salt and microbial enzymes " .

The microbial enzymes are what's needed to make a properly aged cheese

lactose free, so that would normally be OK.

The shrimp sound like they should have been okay, but eating too much of

anything, even something which was previously tolerated, can put a stress

on the digestive system.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi group,

>

> I've been on SCD 48 days. I haven't tried the yogurt yet but have been eating

stage 2 and some stage 3 foods without any problem. However, yesterday I ate

about a teaspoon of organic cheddar cheese with enzymes and no rennet. Afterward

I felt a little off and had a headache, and this morning my BM was very loose

after being more toward medium, and some even close to normal, for the last few

weeks, and I was nauseous for the first half of today.

>

> My husband doesn't think such a small piece of cheese could cause such a bad

reaction. But then, he doesn't have IBS. I didn't eat anything else out of the

ordinary, just more shrimp than usual with dinner last night, but I've had

shrimp in the last few weeks and it didn't bother me. But I did eat a LOT of

shrimp last night!

>

> So could such a small piece of cheese cause that kind of reaction, or could it

be that I ate too much shrimp? I haven't had cheese, milk or any dairy product

except cultured butter in the last 18 months because cheese especially had made

me sick. I'm leaning toward the cheese, but my husband thinks it's the shrimp.

Not that I want to settle an argument or anything, I'd just like to know so I

won't make the same mistake.

Oh yes. After having eaten as much yogurt and cheese as I liked for the first 2

years on the diet, I had a baby, and she did not tolerate me eating dairy. I

gave it up and took probiotics (and butter). Some months ago, I tried about 1/4

teaspoon of cheese, and I had a very clearcut reaction to it.

We're all different in our tolerances, and at different times. You seem to know

the answer - now trust yourself!

Licia

colitis/SCD feb 2006

no meds since july 2006