Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Hi Mara, I'm interested to see how you do with allergy shots if you decide to take them. I have bad seasonal allergies and have wanted to try the allergy shots, but now that I'm on immunosuppressants, I don't know if that would work. My boss has really bad allergies and has gone the allergy shot route. He said they have helped him a lot, though he doesn't have gut issues, so I'm not sure how it would go over with someone who does. He said the shots taper off. In the beginning you have to get them very often to start building up your immunity to the allergen, but as you do you go less and less. Though he says it has helped, he is still taking allergy meds, but I guess he's seen improvement. Keep us posted on what you decide to do, and good luck! Take care, Amber > > So I went to the allergist - an extremely Western Med conventional one - > and apparently I reacted to a bunch of stuff and she suggested I get > allergy shots. > > Has anyone here had allergy shots and do they help or cause other problems? > You seem to need a whole lot of them and I'm suspicious. > > She's the kind of doctor who wants to load you up with drugs and gives out > all these samples - and part of my brain is like, yay! free drugs. And then > after that, the more critical faculty finally awakes and says - um, maybe > I don't want to start up on all of these things. Yeah, just maybe. > > Anyway, I'm having some allergies this spring - it's supposed to be a bad > year for it because of the wonky weather - but they are not so bad, but I > suppose some of these things could be internal reactions. So it's possible > I could feel better. But I am not at all sure. > > Anyway, advice anyone? > > Mara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Mara, I started allergy shots in February of 2008, right after I got the flu and came out of it allergic to everything (and extremely so, at that). Allergy shots are conceptually similar to homeopathy...like cures like. It is simply the introduction of a minute amount of the allergen into your body to allow your body to formulate a normal and healthy response and not an allergic one. I'm pretty anti-med (and adamantly anti-big pharma), but I can get behind the concept of the allergy shot (known as immunotherapy), and even more so because of their benefit to my situation. One of the benefits is I no longer have to take any sort of allergy pill, which, as much as I love my neti pot, was pretty much required about half the year. I was horrifyingly sick when I got over that flu, along with the allergies that had developed, and the doc thought that my feeling so bad was the allergies and that the shots would not only relieve the allergy symptoms but also the illness factor. They didn't do squat for the illness (which they wouldn't because the illness derived from my unhealthy gut and, I believe, toxic exposures, including mercury), but they helped almost immediately with the allergies. I have a great clinic that provides a serum that does not contain preservatives. She makes her serums from scratch and uses a saline solution. Most doctors offices use commercial serums that are mass manufactured and use (if I remember correctly) a 0.2% phenol solution as a preservative. If you are phenol sensitive, this may be an issue (the docs office will say that it is too low to affect you, but we are much more sensitive than normal). I've got to head to work, but let me know if I can provide an other information. Be patient...I live rurally, and my internet connection is satellite. It goes down when the wind blows, it snows, etc., so I'm fequently off-line for multiple days before it comes back up. Ellen > > So I went to the allergist - an extremely Western Med conventional one - > and apparently I reacted to a bunch of stuff and she suggested I get > allergy shots. > > Has anyone here had allergy shots and do they help or cause other problems? > You seem to need a whole lot of them and I'm suspicious. > > She's the kind of doctor who wants to load you up with drugs and gives out > all these samples - and part of my brain is like, yay! free drugs. And then > after that, the more critical faculty finally awakes and says - um, maybe > I don't want to start up on all of these things. Yeah, just maybe. > > Anyway, I'm having some allergies this spring - it's supposed to be a bad > year for it because of the wonky weather - but they are not so bad, but I > suppose some of these things could be internal reactions. So it's possible > I could feel better. But I am not at all sure. > > Anyway, advice anyone? > > Mara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Dear Mara: I have lurked on this list for about 7 or 8 years and learned much and am grateful. I suffered from allergies for most of my life. I have had every kind of treatment, including shots, for years. The triggers would change but I never had any real resolution until I went on SCD and treated a severe yeast problem. When the yeast was finally under control the allergy symptoms were almost totally eliminated. I suspect that yeast is your real problem. If I had the money I spent on allergy treatments for more than 50 years I would be a rich woman. Jane Allergy shots So I went to the allergist - an extremely Western Med conventional one -and apparently I reacted to a bunch of stuff and she suggested I getallergy shots.Has anyone here had allergy shots and do they help or cause other problems?You seem to need a whole lot of them and I'm suspicious. She's the kind of doctor who wants to load you up with drugs and gives outall these samples - and part of my brain is like, yay! free drugs. And thenafter that, the more critical faculty finally awakes and says - um, maybeI don't want to start up on all of these things. Yeah, just maybe. Anyway, I'm having some allergies this spring - it's supposed to be a badyear for it because of the wonky weather - but they are not so bad, but Isuppose some of these things could be internal reactions. So it's possibleI could feel better. But I am not at all sure. Anyway, advice anyone? Mara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Mara, I have a love hate relationship with allergy shots. Have you looked into allergy drops (they can make it in saline- same concept as shots you just put it under your tongue) It can really help, which it did for me for a while until I upped the dosage too much (I followed the instructions but my body just didn't need that much exposure) and I flared as a result. Really bad flare actually. Happened twice. Nice thing about the saline drops is it doesn't have all the crap ingredients that the other stuff. Allergy season has been rough on me this year. I had to take some of those drugs you be speaking about! LOL. I think many of us go a little cuckoo when we see " Samples and it's FREE!! Heh.. I'm all over that! " Jodi > > So I went to the allergist - an extremely Western Med conventional one - > and apparently I reacted to a bunch of stuff and she suggested I get > allergy shots. > > Has anyone here had allergy shots and do they help or cause other problems? > You seem to need a whole lot of them and I'm suspicious. > > She's the kind of doctor who wants to load you up with drugs and gives out > all these samples - and part of my brain is like, yay! free drugs. And then > after that, the more critical faculty finally awakes and says - um, maybe > I don't want to start up on all of these things. Yeah, just maybe. > > Anyway, I'm having some allergies this spring - it's supposed to be a bad > year for it because of the wonky weather - but they are not so bad, but I > suppose some of these things could be internal reactions. So it's possible > I could feel better. But I am not at all sure. > > Anyway, advice anyone? > > Mara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't hesitate if I actually thought I had bad allergies - but even this year, which has been worse than any in several years, I've only been taking allegra inconsistently, maybe 5-8 times. That's why I'm not sure if it is worth it for me or not. OTOH, I did have all those episodes with head filling up with fluid on the left side, which I've now diagnosed as being an auto-immune allergy response. (Which means, among other things, that I totally didn't need those stupid steroids that messed me up with yeast and yeast die off for months, which makes my opinion of doctors even lower except after I pushed it and pushed my understanding of what was going on with him, he finally recommended I go see an allergist - so he did do one thing right.). So, the fluid in head thing turns out to be like a dust mite, mold, other allergy/pollen, maybe dairy auto-immune response. I guess the allergy shots could help with that some - but I'm wondering if it is just overkill with the remedy - especially as the doctor seemed very willing to push prescriptions I didn't think were totally necessary. And I don't know if there will be a downside or not. On another note, do people have to go in weekly for the sublingual stuff, or can it be self administering? Mara > Mara, > > I have a love hate relationship with allergy shots. > Have you looked into allergy drops (they can make it in saline- same concept as shots you just put it under your tongue) > It can really help, which it did for me for a while until I upped the dosage too much (I followed the instructions but my body just didn't need that much exposure) and I flared as a result. Really bad flare actually. Happened twice. Nice thing about the saline drops is it doesn't have all the crap ingredients that the other stuff. > > Allergy season has been rough on me this year. > I had to take some of those drugs you be speaking about! > LOL. > > I think many of us go a little cuckoo when we see " Samples and it's FREE!! Heh.. I'm all over that! " > > Jodi > > >> >> So I went to the allergist - an extremely Western Med conventional one - >> and apparently I reacted to a bunch of stuff and she suggested I get >> allergy shots. >> >> Has anyone here had allergy shots and do they help or cause other problems? >> You seem to need a whole lot of them and I'm suspicious. >> >> She's the kind of doctor who wants to load you up with drugs and gives out >> all these samples - and part of my brain is like, yay! free drugs. And then >> after that, the more critical faculty finally awakes and says - um, maybe >> I don't want to start up on all of these things. Yeah, just maybe. >> >> Anyway, I'm having some allergies this spring - it's supposed to be a bad >> year for it because of the wonky weather - but they are not so bad, but I >> suppose some of these things could be internal reactions. So it's possible >> I could feel better. But I am not at all sure. >> >> Anyway, advice anyone? >> >> Mara >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 ,Thanks you for your detailed response. I too wonder what your son's ND/biochemist meantwhen he said that allergy shots can be bad for the immune system and if you follow upwith him about that, please report it to the list. I'm sorry to hear about all of your son's various illnesses. And I hope to hear soonthat SCD has improved things for him. In many cases, children heal more promptly on SCD because they have been ill for a shorter period or becausethe body still has that very strong self healing energy, depending on the case. In any case, there is hope. Yeah - about the neti pot - my niece has severe allergies from her father's side,and she knows that he uses one in the shower, but refuses to do it herself - because of the lack of cool factor, I guess. In her case, she is barely a teen,just 12. MaraHello Mara,I am fairly new to the group and will get around to a proper intro later, but meanwhile... My son developed wicked allergies 4 years ago (he was 11) in the spring. He was having digestive problems as well (since he was 6), and things were generally so stressful here that we didn't put 2+2 together--we just thought he had a bad cold, another problem in a long line of problems. But we figured it out and that year his pediatrician prescribed allergy medication, eye drops, an inhaler, the works--he hated the meds and nothing helped at all and he missed a lot of school. The following year we tried natural remedies, and again nothing helped and again he missed a ton of school. Both years he suffered horribly--couldn't go outside, couldn't ride in the car with the window down, massively stuffed up, trouble breathing, red, itchy eyes--symptoms were so bad he couldn't sleep at night, and during the day he just laid on the sofa and watched T! V. The only places he got relief were in a swimming pool, store or theater. That summer he saw an allergist and determined which things were causing the trouble--grass, weeds, dogs, cats and one dust mite. The main allergen is grass. After suffering through the 2nd spring/summer he started getting the shots in the fall. The next spring (3rd) he was shockingly better. I couldn't believe it. He only used Claritin during the worst part of the season and not every day. He did not need to use the eye drops or inhaler. The only other thing he did was to use a netti pot--and very rarely. (Teenagers...) He was outdoors a lot with very few symptoms. He even took PE during summer school.Recently we saw his naturopathic doctor and he said that my son would benefit from a grain free diet--that allergies indicate a problem with ALL grains, and that gluten was the "mother" of all grains. So it looks like SCD is the right diet for allergies!Just some background--before he was an N.D. he was a biochemist and research scientist. He now mainly does work with cancer patients and also does studies regarding gluten and the effects on thyroid, etc. In a nutshell, he says that gluten causes malabsorbtion and advises his patients to go gluten free. He then runs a test to see if they are absorbing after going GF. He doesn't usually run food allergy tests because the tests don't always indicate that gluten is a problem and that other food allergies usually resolve after going GF and the patient starts absorbing.When I told the N.D. that my son was getting allergy shots he gently warned against them because he says they mess up the immune system.This warning has given me pause as I don't want to cause any more stress on his immune system, but when I look at the alternative with the horrible symptoms he suffers with (in addition to his digestive troubles) and based on the HUGE success of the sho! ts, I feel this is definitely the best route. This year, my son has been suffering so much with digestive problems (IBS-C) that he has been unable to go out of the house to get the shots. He has also been out of school for most of the year. I sure hope he experiences some improvement soon. Another note, we have a border collie (Molly) and although my son is allergic to dogs, this does not seem to pose a problem for him. During the years before he got the shots, Molly would go outside, come back in and my son would flip out because she was covered in grass and weed pollen. She was a carrier and it was a huge problem. Before we understood what was going on we took a day trip with them in the car. What a horrible day that was. But now, he has no problem with her at all.I have a friend who has asthma, allergies, and so does her teenage son. They both started allergy shots at the same time as my son and they are thrilled with the results.I hope this helps. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & TDate: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:28:45 -0400To: <BTVC-SCD >Subject: Allergy shotsSo I went to the allergist - an extremely Western Med conventional one -and apparently I reacted to a bunch of stuff and she suggested I getallergy shots.Has anyone here had allergy shots and do they help or cause other problems?You seem to need a whole lot of them and I'm suspicious. She's the kind of doctor who wants to load you up with drugs and gives outall these samples - and part of my brain is like, yay! free drugs. And thenafter that, the more critical faculty finally awakes and says - um, maybeI don't want to start up on all of these things. Yeah, just maybe. Anyway, I'm having some allergies this spring - it's supposed to be a badyear for it because of the wonky weather - but they are not so bad, but Isuppose some of these things could be internal reactions. So it's possibleI could feel better. But I am not at all sure. Anyway, advice anyone? 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Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Hi Loopylafae,Yes, our bodies are complex! If we only took care of them properly from the start--and if people only knew what that was many generations ago we'd all be in much better shape!I'm very glad to hear that your children have responded well. Children ARE so resilient. (Except mine so far.) And I think they have less stress than adults--generally speaking of course. Maybe that is a factor as well.You and my son do have similar issues. I hope your health situation improves soon. I have heard that the combination of tyrosine and iodine are very helpful for thyroid support. Maybe your ND has heard of this? What a wonderful work environment for you!I'll post the info when I speak to our ND about allergy shots and his comment about it challenging the immune system. My son has not been feeling well and we've cancelled 2 appointments. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Sat, 01 May 2010 16:53:08 -0000To: <BTVC-SCD >Subject: Re: Allergy shots no worries re:the name! & true that--they are all practicing! & my boss even admits he's still learning ( after 15 years of practicing!) & he sometimes gets " stumped " by a patient ( ie: tries everything, to no avail!) there is so much about the complexities of the miraculous human body that we haven't figured out yet!! Interesting that I am quite similar to your son in that I also have thyroid issues ( as well as airborne allergies, copious food allergies & celiac/ibs/constipation!) My ND had me on time-release t3 which worked great for about 7 months --then my hair started faling out!! ( lost my previousely bushy eyebrows almost completely!!) ...so now am on l-tyrosine & selenium as thyroid support ...who knows how long before that gives me grief lol ...apparently my immune system has ADD! all part of the journey i guess! I hope your son heals more completely than I have ...my 2 kids have healed very well -- i think kids are more resilient than 40+ folk like me! > > > That summer he saw an allergist and determined which things were causing the trouble--grass, weeds, dogs, cats and one dust mite. The main allergen is grass. > > > > After suffering through the 2nd spring/summer he started getting the shots in the fall. The next spring (3rd) he was shockingly better. I couldn't believe it.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Amen Marilyn!Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Sat, 01 May 2010 12:40:35 -0500To: <BTVC-SCD >Subject: Re: Re: Allergy shots At 01:51 AM 5/1/2010, you wrote:As far as I can tell, they'reall " practicing " or we'd all be healed. Keep in mind that at least as far as some in the medical field areconcerned, they want a treatment, not a cure. A treatment yieldscontinued income. A cure means you won't need them any more. There are some genuinely caring medical types out there, but frankly, myvote is for an old Chinese system: patients paid the doctor only so longas they were well!—Marilyn NewOrleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Babette the Foundling Beagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Holly,The shot protocol starts with 2 per week, then 1 per week, then 1 every other week, then once per month. This occurs over the course of a year. It's not too bad really--it only takes about 30 minutes. You take zyrtec or claritin before the shot, get the shot, wait 30 minutes to make sure there is no reaction, the nurse measures the size of the bump on your arm--and then you're outa there. I tried honey and claritin for my son, it didn't help at all. That is excellent that it works for you. Your immune system must be in pretty good shape!Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Sat, 01 May 2010 21:08:29 -0000To: <BTVC-SCD >Subject: Re: Allergy shots My allergist wants me to get the shots too, but for now, the time commitment is just too much. I think it was twice a week for 3 months, and then once a week thereafter. Zyrtec and eating local honey keeps my allergies under control, so for now, I'll just stick with those.HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08>> So I went to the allergist - an extremely Western Med conventional one -> and apparently I reacted to a bunch of stuff and she suggested I get> allergy shots.> > Has anyone here had allergy shots and do they help or cause other problems?> You seem to need a whole lot of them and I'm suspicious. > > She's the kind of doctor who wants to load you up with drugs and gives out> all these samples - and part of my brain is like, yay! free drugs. And then> after that, the more critical faculty finally awakes and says - um, maybe> I don't want to start up on all of these things. Yeah, just maybe. > > Anyway, I'm having some allergies this spring - it's supposed to be a bad> year for it because of the wonky weather - but they are not so bad, but I> suppose some of these things could be internal reactions. So it's possible> I could feel better. But I am not at all sure. > > Anyway, advice anyone? > > Mara> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Hi Mara,Yes, I'll be sure to report the info about our ND's comment that allergy shots challenge the immune system.Thank you for your comments about children healing fairly quickly. It seems like it's never going to end. I'm sure others on this list must feel this way too.My son actually does fine with the netti pot, he just won't take the time to do it unless I make him. I guess he'd rather suffer?!Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Sun, 02 May 2010 20:09:16 -0400To: <BTVC-SCD >Subject: Re: Allergy shots ,Thanks you for your detailed response. I too wonder what your son's ND/biochemist meantwhen he said that allergy shots can be bad for the immune system and if you follow upwith him about that, please report it to the list. I'm sorry to hear about all of your son's various illnesses. And I hope to hear soonthat SCD has improved things for him. In many cases, children heal more promptly on SCD because they have been ill for a shorter period or becausethe body still has that very strong self healing energy, depending on the case. In any case, there is hope. Yeah - about the neti pot - my niece has severe allergies from her father's side,and she knows that he uses one in the shower, but refuses to do it herself - because of the lack of cool factor, I guess. In her case, she is barely a teen,just 12. MaraHello Mara,I am fairly new to the group and will get around to a proper intro later, but meanwhile... My son developed wicked allergies 4 years ago (he was 11) in the spring. He was having digestive problems as well (since he was 6), and things were generally so stressful here that we didn't put 2+2 together--we just thought he had a bad cold, another problem in a long line of problems. But we figured it out and that year his pediatrician prescribed allergy medication, eye drops, an inhaler, the works--he hated the meds and nothing helped at all and he missed a lot of school. The following year we tried natural remedies, and again nothing helped and again he missed a ton of school. Both years he suffered horribly--couldn't go outside, couldn't ride in the car with the window down, massively stuffed up, trouble breathing, red, itchy eyes--symptoms were so bad he couldn't sleep at night, and during the day he just laid on the sofa and watched T! V. The only places he got relief were in a swimming pool, store or theater. That summer he saw an allergist and determined which things were causing the trouble--grass, weeds, dogs, cats and one dust mite. The main allergen is grass. After suffering through the 2nd spring/summer he started getting the shots in the fall. The next spring (3rd) he was shockingly better. I couldn't believe it. He only used Claritin during the worst part of the season and not every day. He did not need to use the eye drops or inhaler. The only other thing he did was to use a netti pot--and very rarely. (Teenagers...) He was outdoors a lot with very few symptoms. He even took PE during summer school.Recently we saw his naturopathic doctor and he said that my son would benefit from a grain free diet--that allergies indicate a problem with ALL grains, and that gluten was the "mother" of all grains. So it looks like SCD is the right diet for allergies!Just some background--before he was an N.D. he was a biochemist and research scientist. He now mainly does work with cancer patients and also does studies regarding gluten and the effects on thyroid, etc. In a nutshell, he says that gluten causes malabsorbtion and advises his patients to go gluten free. He then runs a test to see if they are absorbing after going GF. He doesn't usually run food allergy tests because the tests don't always indicate that gluten is a problem and that other food allergies usually resolve after going GF and the patient starts absorbing.When I told the N.D. that my son was getting allergy shots he gently warned against them because he says they mess up the immune system.This warning has given me pause as I don't want to cause any more stress on his immune system, but when I look at the alternative with the horrible symptoms he suffers with (in addition to his digestive troubles) and based on the HUGE success of the sho! ts, I feel this is definitely the best route. This year, my son has been suffering so much with digestive problems (IBS-C) that he has been unable to go out of the house to get the shots. He has also been out of school for most of the year. I sure hope he experiences some improvement soon. Another note, we have a border collie (Molly) and although my son is allergic to dogs, this does not seem to pose a problem for him. During the years before he got the shots, Molly would go outside, come back in and my son would flip out because she was covered in grass and weed pollen. She was a carrier and it was a huge problem. Before we understood what was going on we took a day trip with them in the car. What a horrible day that was. But now, he has no problem with her at all.I have a friend who has asthma, allergies, and so does her teenage son. They both started allergy shots at the same time as my son and they are thrilled with the results.I hope this helps. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & TFrom: Mara Schiffren <alcibiades (AT) rcn (DOT) com>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:28:45 -0400To: <BTVC-SCD >Subject: Allergy shotsSo I went to the allergist - an extremely Western Med conventional one -and apparently I reacted to a bunch of stuff and she suggested I getallergy shots.Has anyone here had allergy shots and do they help or cause other problems?You seem to need a whole lot of them and I'm suspicious. She's the kind of doctor who wants to load you up with drugs and gives outall these samples - and part of my brain is like, yay! free drugs. And thenafter that, the more critical faculty finally awakes and says - um, maybeI don't want to start up on all of these things. Yeah, just maybe. Anyway, I'm having some allergies this spring - it's supposed to be a badyear for it because of the wonky weather - but they are not so bad, but Isuppose some of these things could be internal reactions. So it's possibleI could feel better. But I am not at all sure. Anyway, advice anyone? Mara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 Mara, Weekly sub-lingual can be self administering that's the beauty! It's good for allergens but I am unsure of food allergens (don't really believe in food allergies unless it is hardcore anaphylaxisis which in that case no shot will help with that) Have they cleaned your ears out? Jodi > >> > >> So I went to the allergist - an extremely Western Med conventional one - > >> and apparently I reacted to a bunch of stuff and she suggested I get > >> allergy shots. > >> > >> Has anyone here had allergy shots and do they help or cause other problems? > >> You seem to need a whole lot of them and I'm suspicious. > >> > >> She's the kind of doctor who wants to load you up with drugs and gives out > >> all these samples - and part of my brain is like, yay! free drugs. And then > >> after that, the more critical faculty finally awakes and says - um, maybe > >> I don't want to start up on all of these things. Yeah, just maybe. > >> > >> Anyway, I'm having some allergies this spring - it's supposed to be a bad > >> year for it because of the wonky weather - but they are not so bad, but I > >> suppose some of these things could be internal reactions. So it's possible > >> I could feel better. But I am not at all sure. > >> > >> Anyway, advice anyone? > >> > >> Mara > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Unfortunately, it's in government policy now too it's all over our social structure :( food industry, health industry, education, government, medical establishment, media, etc. :(Even " advocacy " groups like ACS (American Cancer Society) are corrupt. They raise fund for " curing " cancer, but have also been extremely active in Congress lobbying AGAINST legislation that would restrict pesticides, certain pesticides, or pesticides levels. They are a lobby group for the pesticide industry, cleverly hiding behind whitewash. They don't believe in preventing cancer (even the USDA website will tell you that pesticides on fruits and vegetables are the leading cause of childhood leukemia), they believe in treating/curing it. I liken that to promoting the treatment/cure of gunshot wounds to the head, and opposing any sort of safety prevention. It's completely insane. Stop shooting yourself in the head. Best,p.s. don't get me started, I could go on and on about this. Well, if you want to get me started, I will go on. On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm wrote:  At 01:51 AM 5/1/2010, you wrote: As far as I can tell, they're all " practicing " or we'd all be healed. Keep in mind that at least as far as some in the medical field are concerned, they want a treatment, not a cure. A treatment yields continued income. A cure means you won't need them any more. There are some genuinely caring medical types out there, but frankly, my vote is for an old Chinese system: patients paid the doctor only so long as they were well! — Marilyn    New Orleans, Louisiana, USA    Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001    Darn Good SCD Cook    No Human Children    Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund    Babette the Foundling Beagle        Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 My doc gave me a different schedule. It was twice a week for 3 months, then once a week for the remainder of the year. Year 2 was once every other week, and year 3 was once every 3 weeks. Yuck! Holly Crohn's SCD 12/01/08 > > > Holly, > > The shot protocol starts with 2 per week, then 1 per week, then 1 every other week, then once per month. This occurs over the course of a year. It's not too bad really--it only takes about 30 minutes. You take zyrtec or claritin before the shot, get the shot, wait 30 minutes to make sure there is no reaction, the nurse measures the size of the bump on your arm--and then you're outa there. > > I tried honey and claritin for my son, it didn't help at all. That is excellent that it works for you. Your immune system must be in pretty good shape! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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