Re: OCD? GAPS? help?

April 2, 2010

I'm trying to get more info. The archives mentioned GAPS. I've never heard of it before. I'm familiar withpecanbread.com and the brain/gut autism connection, and their protocols. I tried to get info on gaps, there's like 200 msgs in the archives (too many to sort through I tried 20+ after going through 53 OCDs....), and I'm having real trouble parsing their website on no sleep. Any info anyone could give me would be great. I guess these means I should def not do cow dairy? can I do goat? Should I go throw out the DCCC?Put it in the freezer. They don't do dairy for like 6 months. I like these GAPS websites:http://www.gapsdiet.com/Getting_Started.htmlhttp://www.gapsdiet.com/INTRODUCTION_DIET.htmland here is the introduction diet:http://www.gapsdiet.com/INTRODUCTION_DIET.htmlCan anyone help me figure out if there is anything special I should be doing with my intro in light of my OCD and GAPS? or transitioning off intro? If I get my head together later some other day I'll take a gander at their website again, do they know what they are talking about? Can I trust what they say?yeah, they are good, knowledgeable people, some of whom used to post here. Should I get the book? yes - if this is your issue. Then you can read it and decide what you think. Any help would help. I'm highly questioning a lot of their different approach diversions because pecanbread isn't the same, but isn't pecanbread the autism / brain/gut experts?that's autism however. and aimed at kids. Look, it's a somewhat different approach - as we've all seen here, what worksfor one can be highly idiosyncratic - so you will have to test yourself out and seeif it works for you and ask them tough questions. Mara

April 2, 2010

hey Mara,Thank you SO MUCH for helping walk me through this. They should really put that " getting started " at the top of the web site, I was up to my ears in the outline and 'detox' section and then trying to read and parse and get through that 'introduction diet' page without a clue where they were coming from, it's so wordy it didn't work without the " getting started " to tip me off!! especially since I knew all the SCD stuff so I was trying to find the part I didn't know and ugh.

Thank you.My first question: I checked out the probiotic they recommend. it has bifidus, and maltodextrin. I've unwittingly taken maltodextrin, it was one of the worst mistakes I've ever made. I'm seriously, seriously questioning these people. However, I read some stuff i didn't know and I learned a lot and I've got some good ideas of stuff I should be doing. Still, I'm very confused about conflicting recommendations. especially about fruit and nut integration. They seem to delay fruits a lot, and speed up nut butters. I'm wondering how SCDers resolve them?

I guess maybe I should try making sauerkraut juice? is this necessary even though I'm taking acidophilous? They say to start this immediately, but I'm thinking from what I've seen SCD that raw vegetable juice is a little advanced?

Thanks again!!p.s. oh, also about low stomach acidity. Since I've had ulcer problems in the past and now, I'm assuming I don't have that, right? thanks!

I'm trying to get more info. The archives mentioned GAPS. I've never heard of it before. I'm familiar withpecanbread.com and the brain/gut autism connection, and their protocols. I tried to get info on gaps, there's like 200 msgs in the archives (too many to sort through I tried 20+ after going through 53 OCDs....), and I'm having real trouble parsing their website on no sleep.

Any info anyone could give me would be great. I guess these means I should def not do cow dairy? can I do goat? Should I go throw out the DCCC?Put it in the freezer. They don't do dairy for like 6 months.

I like these GAPS websites:http://www.gapsdiet.com/Getting_Started.htmlhttp://www.gapsdiet.com/INTRODUCTION_DIET.html

and here is the introduction diet:http://www.gapsdiet.com/INTRODUCTION_DIET.html

Can anyone help me figure out if there is anything special I should be doing with my intro in light of my OCD and GAPS? or transitioning off intro? If I get my head together later some other day I'll take a gander at their website again, do they know what they are talking about?

Can I trust what they say?yeah, they are good, knowledgeable people, some of whom used to post here.

Should I get the book? yes - if this is your issue. Then you can read it and decide what you think.

Any help would help. I'm highly questioning a lot of their different approach diversions because pecanbread isn't the same, but isn't pecanbread the autism / brain/gut experts?

that's autism however. and aimed at kids. Look, it's a somewhat different approach - as we've all seen here, what worksfor one can be highly idiosyncratic - so you will have to test yourself out and see

if it works for you and ask them tough questions. Mara

April 2, 2010

>

> hey Mara,

>

> Thank you SO MUCH for helping walk me through this. They should really put

that " getting started " at the top of the web site, I was up to my ears in the

outline and 'detox' section and then trying to read and parse and get through

that 'introduction diet' page without a clue where they were coming from, it's

so wordy it didn't work without the " getting started " to tip me off!! especially

since I knew all the SCD stuff so I was trying to find the part I didn't know

and ugh.

>

> Thank you.

>

> My first question: I checked out the probiotic they recommend. it has bifidus,

and maltodextrin. I've unwittingly taken maltodextrin, it was one of the worst

mistakes I've ever made. I'm seriously, seriously questioning these people.

Yeah - that's the one area that they differ from SCD - seems to help some people

quite

a lot, others not so much. If maltodextrin affects you that badly, don't use

it. I know that

some people have done GAPS, but stayed using SCD probiotics.

> However, I read some stuff i didn't know and I learned a lot and I've got some

good ideas of stuff I should be doing. Still, I'm very confused about

conflicting recommendations. especially about fruit and nut integration. They

seem to delay fruits a lot, and speed up nut butters. I'm wondering how SCDers

resolve them?

Not sure about that - I imagine it works for some and not so much for others.

> I guess maybe I should try making sauerkraut juice? is this necessary even

though I'm taking acidophilous?

Acidophilus doesn't implant when you are on the GAPS/SCDiet, because

our low carb diet does not support it that way - whereas the probiotics in

sauerkraut do. So, yeah, it can be very useful.

I keep meaning to do that myself, just haven't managed yet.

Last month's effort - bought two books with recipes and bought

another cabbage (the first one just sat in my fridge until I finally

threw it out.)

> They say to start this immediately, but I'm thinking from what I've seen SCD

that raw vegetable juice is a little advanced?

Well, you could dilute it - but it is probiotic rich. If you try it, let us

know

how it works for you.

> Thanks again!!

>

> p.s. oh, also about low stomach acidity. Since I've had ulcer problems in the

past and now, I'm assuming I don't have that, right? thanks!

no clue.

Mara

April 3, 2010

Hi ,

First, let me say how sorry I am that you're feeling the tumultuous and

sometimes very painful experience that is OCD. It is frightening and isolating,

but you are not alone and there are a multitude of sufferers--and there IS help.

In addition to trying food-based approaches to enhancing your overall health,

have you considered consulting a therapist who specializes in OCD? The evidence

shows that the most effective type of therapy for OCD is Cognitive Behavioral

Therapy with Exposure and Response Prevention, and I know medicine is also

helpful for some.

You have to choose what's right for you. My suggestion would be to try both

traditional and non-traditional approaches to helping yourself heal.

Please reach out for help as much as you can. I know mental health issues are

so stigmatized, so it can be really hard.

Best,

CD 13 years

SCD 3 years

>

> Hey everyone,

>

> Today I learned to search the archives! I'm (re)doing intro after 6 years

> more-or-less on diet, on day 5 or 6 now I guess. Symptoms I was worried

> about to start were bloating and looks like new duodenal ulcer. However,

> everyday on intro I woke up so much clearer than I have b4 in my life. Now I

> realize brain fog and all sorts of the rest of my psych problems are being

> exasorbated (if not outright caused). Tried the giprohealth acidophilous

> yesterday, half a pill, god I've never felt that good in my life!!!!! thank

> god for it.

>

> I'm trying to feel my way out of intro and gauge what I should and should

> not tolerate symptom wise when introducing foods. I haven't had D for years

> so that's no clue. 50% juices were hurting ulcer too much so I didn't use

> them, pureed carrots hurt not as much but I jolly well had to eat something

> so I ate them. Everyday they hurt less.

>

> I'm troubled because I did this over spring break and now I've got school on

> monday and work on tuesday. Better get my freakin' act together fast!!

>

> When i got overwhelmed this week my OCD went nuts, then acidophilous maybe

> helped it, so I was wondering if others had OCD. For a very freakin long

> time now I've known my OCD isn't in my head, I don't even have obsessions,

> just cleaness (not orderliness, nothing insane, I don't care if the

> apartments clean, just what I touch.. when my hands need to be clean) and I

> have compulsions. I have PTSD, but I've had that for almost my whole life,

> but only a few years of OCD. I know Chinese medicine says liver problems can

> cause OCD, that has been a guide for me. Plus, orthomolecular nutrition says

> Histadelia can cause it. Calcium/l-methionine supplementation helped me SO

> MUCH over the years, clearly I had (still have to some extent I think)

> Histadelia. I've been blaming my Histadelia on my liver (I think I read

> something about that), and blaming my inability to recover from it despite

> intervention on my stomach interfering with my liver. So --- I learned to

> search the archives today! I am OVERJOYED to see that people have been

> curing their OCD with SCD. However, I am also daunted - now I have a new

> challenge, and something else to work through/watch/figure out. Bloating is

> not so intimidating, it's there or it isn't. Playing games with my real real

> real bad OCD could be worse than playing with fire. It's gotten me to the

> point of suicide more than once. The past 24 hours have been a bitch, and I

> have not slept.

>

> I'm trying to get more info. The archives mentioned GAPS. I've never heard

> of it before. I'm familiar with pecanbread.com and the brain/gut autism

> connection, and their protocols. I tried to get info on gaps, there's like

> 200 msgs in the archives (too many to sort through I tried 20+ after going

> through 53 OCDs....), and I'm having real trouble parsing their website on

> no sleep.

>

> Any info anyone could give me would be great. I guess these means I should

> def not do cow dairy? can I do goat? Should I go throw out the DCCC?

>

> Can anyone help me figure out if there is anything special I should be doing

> with my intro in light of my OCD and GAPS? or transitioning off intro? If I

> get my head together later some other day I'll take a gander at their

> website again, do they know what they are talking about? Can I trust what

> they say? Should I get the book? Any help would help. I'm highly questioning

> a lot of their different approach diversions because pecanbread isn't the

> same, but isn't pecanbread the autism / brain/gut experts?

>

> I tried a banana today. well, yesterday, I haven't slept. It's nice to have

> potassium back in my life (real nice!) but made me a little hazy. not as bad

> as 6 days ago, but not what I would like. The ulcer tolerated it as well as

> the carrots. the bloating appeared unchanged, although it made me feel like

> I was swelling a little. Actually, I'm wondering if that was a contributing

> factor to my bad OCD breakdown last night. Well, I don't have much to eat or

> much time to bandy about. Should I tolerate these kinds of things like I was

> tolerated the pureed carrot ulcer pain that ended up getting better

> everyday? Bueller?

>

> Thanks everybody,

> Best wishes to all

>

April 4, 2010

Thanks guys.Thanks Marilyn,I'm cutting my juices 75% - 80% now and they are going down :)Also, steamed zucchini went down better than carrots didn't feel as nourishing though now I have to go buy as much zucchini as I can carry tomorrow!

I tried steaming some spinach though and that made me feel funny actually, I could pretty much tell it was a no as soon as I put it in my mouth :(How much prune juice should one drink for C? Also, I'm afraid to mess with orange juice because of the acidity, any thoughts?

Also, is there a limit on how much electrolyte drink to take?Thanks!!

Hi ,

First, let me say how sorry I am that you're feeling the tumultuous and sometimes very painful experience that is OCD. It is frightening and isolating, but you are not alone and there are a multitude of sufferers--and there IS help.

In addition to trying food-based approaches to enhancing your overall health, have you considered consulting a therapist who specializes in OCD? The evidence shows that the most effective type of therapy for OCD is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy with Exposure and Response Prevention, and I know medicine is also helpful for some.

You have to choose what's right for you. My suggestion would be to try both traditional and non-traditional approaches to helping yourself heal.

Please reach out for help as much as you can. I know mental health issues are so stigmatized, so it can be really hard.