rectal insertion of chlorophyll

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I have a liquid chlorophyll from alfalfa. I was told by a colonics therapist to

do a rectal insertion of it to help rebuild the lining of the colon. Since this

is bypassing the digestive system (seemed to give me a reaction when taken

orally) could this be a useful/legal way of healing the bowel?

Darlene

Intestinal Dysbiosis/Adrenal Fatigue

SCD 6 weeks

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Darlene I have been doing wheatgrass implants, about 1 oz or 1.5oz and it is wonderful. This will rebuild anything!

Also I have had bad diarrhea - water, water, and I found something on the internet which the website is "aloeElite" and a lot of people have been healed with this product. You have to just keep taking it though because it takes about 3 weeks to kick in. Anyway, what can be worse, diarrhea, diarrhea, what else is new. But since I have been talking to the office and they kept telling me to stay on the product, I AM NOW GETTING WONDERFUL RESULTS- bowels are forming. Try it.

Subject: rectal insertion of chlorophyllTo: BTVC-SCD Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 11:39 AM

I have a liquid chlorophyll from alfalfa. I was told by a colonics therapist to do a rectal insertion of it to help rebuild the lining of the colon. Since this is bypassing the digestive system (seemed to give me a reaction when taken orally) could this be a useful/legal way of healing the bowel?DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/Adrenal FatigueSCD 6 weeks

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At 06:44 AM 4/2/2010, you wrote:

I am wondering if we can get

more info on this polysaccharide issue.

In essence, you want to follow a diet which is not SCD.

SCD does not allow polysaccharides, except those few which are contained

in whole foods, such as fruits and vegetables. The science behind

this is incontrovertable.

It may seem to you that many people are floundering. In point of fact,

there's an on-going roll-over of participation on the SCD lists because

the people who come, find out how to tailor SCD to their particular

needs, get a handle on their illnesses, then leave. SCD has given them

their lives back.

The people who stay to teach are another category: they have a handle on

their illness, and they stay to help others who haven't yet done

so.

The people who seem to be floundering are either newcomers, or people who

have not found the combination of foods which works for their system.

(Ask Kim M about her search!)

I've lost track of how many times, between 1976 and 2001 I thought I had

found The Supplement which would solve my issues. None of them worked,

long term. SCD took longer to show me what it could do long term

(although I felt better almost at once), but it's something I can live

with for the rest of my life. I buy and prepare my own food. It's hard to

get simpler than that. I am not dependent on an expensive supplement

whose formulation may change at the whim of the producer.

Aloe vera is great externally. It is bad internally.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/legal/legal_illegal_a-c.htm

Aloe vera is illegal. It contains mucilaginous polysaccharides as well as

increasing the release of tumor necrosis factor which is associated with

IBD inflammation and increased immune stimulation.

Promotion of illegal products on this list is inappropriate. This is the

second time you've brought up this (to me) revolting business of the

polysaccharides which contributed to my ill-health for 25 years being

" healing. " Please do not do so again.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

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Yeah that's my thoughts too. I'll second that. Darlene, I don't think you will be circumventing the digestive system: I think you will be feeding yea old bad-bacteria real darn directly. I've had real bad experience messing with illegals, even when I thought I was getting away with it. And I would not have even tried them had I not been desperate in the first place. But, it wasn't worth it

Best,p.s. Marilyn, oh wise one, I am so ignorant. I know aloe is mucilagneous whatever, but isn't alfalfa leaf just like any other leaf? are those polysaccharides? if you get to the stage where you can eat like i dunno, lettuce, can you take a liquid chlorophyll supplement from alfalfa leaf? I'd like to if that would be legal. Thanks!

 

And it seems to me that putting anything illegal in an enema is about the

most direct way to feed the bad bacteria that could be invented!

Polysaccharides are NOT healing!! They are NOT anti-inflammatory! They feed the bad bacteria in our guts and undo everything we are trying to do with the Specific Carbohydrate Diet!

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I've been doing my research on this little issue since I discovered a thin coat of thrush on my tongue and noticed I am doing a hell of a lot better since stopping high-sugar fruits and starting S. Boulardii. I have a couple questions for people already on this diet...

How do you rotate between boulardii, oil of oregano and grapeseed extract?

What does your daily diet look like? Mine consists mostly of eggs, meats, fish and a tiny bit of DCCC (can't handle too much). Can't tolerate yogurt right now so I take acidophilus every day.

I just want to add more filling foods. I tried a bit of almond butter today and although it was good and filling, it made my stool this afternoon a little mushy -- probably because I'm not ready for a lot of fiber and fat yet.

I'm about 5'6 and weigh about 138-140 range, but weighed 152 before my last flare a few months back. I have been trying to recuperate ever since and only now just discovered the underlying problem of candida is most likely what has been holding me back. The whiteness on the tongue is already disappearing, which is great but I want more variety, lol.

I'm having trouble with some veggies -- would like to add some that are easy on the gut besides carrots and asparagus all the time._________________________________________________________________CDSCD 5 monthsLialda, PurinetholFreeda Vitamins, L. Acidophilus, Cod Liver Oil

[Guest guest]

At 03:56 PM 4/2/2010, you wrote:

Marilyn, oh wise one, I am so

ignorant. I know aloe is mucilagneous whatever, but isn't alfalfa leaf

just like any other leaf? are those polysaccharides? if you get to the

stage where you can eat like i dunno, lettuce, can you take a liquid

chlorophyll supplement from alfalfa leaf? I'd like to if that would be

legal. Thanks!

Alfalfa is pretty much like other leaves, yes. (VERY green... I remember

what my new white tennis shoes looked like after tromping through a New

Mexico alfalfa field!)

The point is that although some of the liquid chlorophylls MIGHT be

legal, if you can eat green leafy vegetables, then why bother with a

processed product?

I did savory smoothies -- tomato juice, cooked vegetables, bison, spices

-- after my cancer surgery. My vegetables included things like spinach

and kale. I also threw in raw romaine and green leaf lettuces. My

oncologist had two units of blood standing by, and had said I might need

an iron supplement. Between ostrich filets, bison, and the savory

smoothies, I didn't need the transfusions or the iron supplement. (Or,

thank goodness, liver. I hate liver for the most part. Elaine used to

give me a hard time about that since she liked it.)

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

I didn't think that alfalfa based chlorophyll was illegal which is why I asked this question. (I wouldn't knowingly inject something illegal.) I've brought this up before and I believe Marilyn said it looked okay having read all the ingredients on the bottle. Reason I asked in the first place was that it seemed to bother me when I took it orally but wondered if it would be a good thing rectally for healing the colon lining as my colonics therapist suggested.

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 6 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 2:56:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: rectal insertion of chlorophyll

Yeah that's my thoughts too. I'll second that. Darlene, I don't think you will be circumventing the digestive system: I think you will be feeding yea old bad-bacteria real darn directly. I've had real bad experience messing with illegals, even when I thought I was getting away with it. And I would not have even tried them had I not been desperate in the first place. But, it wasn't worth it :(Best,p.s. Marilyn, oh wise one, I am so ignorant. I know aloe is mucilagneous whatever, but isn't alfalfa leaf just like any other leaf? are those polysaccharides? if you get to the stage where you can eat like i dunno, lettuce, can you take a liquid chlorophyll supplement from alfalfa leaf? I'd like to if that would be legal. Thanks!

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Hey Darlene,Speaking as someone who really doesn't know for sure, my perspective is that if is giving you trouble orally, at best perhaps you are hoping that the bad bacteria somehow higher up in your colon would be responding worse to it then bad bacteria lower in your colon? And that if you inject it you will have less of a reaction because of that? I really am thinking this will not hold. Also, it would probably be worse in terms of feeding bad bacteria because the chlorophyll supplement (I'm guessing) would probably be subject to some digestion and enzymatic breakdowns when taken orally and processed higher in the colon, if it is injected straight into the lower colon there will be no breakdown/digestion/enzymes, and even more fodder, substance, and sustenance for the bad bacteria than there would have been if it had gone through your stomach (and potentially had some mass filtered out). What might happen, however, I think, maybe, is that if you have say an ulcer really high in your colon that the bad bacteria agitate when they are fed your chlorophyll  supplement, and you do inject the supplement into the lower colon, maybe the area around your (hypothetical) ulcer wouldn't end up as irritated than when you take it orally since it is farther away and I guess would be less likely to receive the full brunt of the " ingestion " .

I guess my perspective is that if the reason the chlorophyll orally is giving you trouble is theoretically because your gut isn't healed enough yet to fully digest it and it is only being partially digested and the left overs are feeding bad bacteria causing more damage, pain, and symptoms. Well... if you feed the whole undigested thing to the bad bacteria through the backdoor... I think you'll get just as bad a problem. Although, admittedly, perhaps potentially somewhat muted because of potentially somewhat less exposure.. I still think it will be bad, the bad bacteria levels will just be too high and this will make them higher :( that's my guess!

I mean, really, if you are hoping to get the chlorophyll supplement injection to help heal the damaged parts of your gut, these are going to be the parts that are inhabited with lots and lots of bad bacteria, right? So, if you really could inject it without significantly interacting with or disturbing bad bacteria, that would mean you aren't getting it where the bad bacteria is, right? And therefor not where the damage is, and not helping healing?

I'm sorry, please excuse my rambling attempts to be helpful. And I'm very sorry if my tone isn't as friendly as it should be - I'm having me own troubles and not dealing with them as well as I would like

Best wishes Darlene

 

I didn't think that alfalfa based chlorophyll was illegal which is why I asked this question. (I wouldn't knowingly inject something illegal.)  I've brought this up before and I believe Marilyn said it looked okay having read all the ingredients on the bottle. Reason I asked in the first place was that it seemed to bother me when I took it orally but wondered if it would be a good thing rectally for healing the colon lining as my colonics therapist suggested.

 DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 6 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD

Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 2:56:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: rectal insertion of chlorophyll

 

Yeah that's my thoughts too. I'll second that. Darlene, I don't think you will be circumventing the digestive system: I think you will be feeding yea old bad-bacteria real darn directly. I've had real bad experience messing with illegals, even when I thought I was getting away with it. And I would not have even tried them had I not been desperate in the first place. But, it wasn't worth it

Best,p.s. Marilyn, oh wise one, I am so ignorant. I know aloe is mucilagneous whatever, but isn't alfalfa leaf just like any other leaf? are those polysaccharides? if you get to the stage where you can eat like i dunno, lettuce, can you take a liquid chlorophyll supplement from alfalfa leaf? I'd like to if that would be legal. Thanks!

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,

Thanks for your reply. It does make sense to me.

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 6 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 4:57:14 PMSubject: Re: Re: rectal insertion of chlorophyll

Hey Darlene,Speaking as someone who really doesn't know for sure, my perspective is that if is giving you trouble orally, at best perhaps you are hoping that the bad bacteria somehow higher up in your colon would be responding worse to it then bad bacteria lower in your colon? And that if you inject it you will have less of a reaction because of that? I really am thinking this will not hold. Also, it would probably be worse in terms of feeding bad bacteria because the chlorophyll supplement (I'm guessing) would probably be subject to some digestion and enzymatic breakdowns when taken orally and processed higher in the colon, if it is injected straight into the lower colon there will be no breakdown/digestion /enzymes, and even more fodder, substance, and sustenance for the bad bacteria than there would have been if it had gone through your stomach (and potentially had some mass filtered out). What might happen, however, I think, maybe, is that

if you have say an ulcer really high in your colon that the bad bacteria agitate when they are fed your chlorophyll supplement, and you do inject the supplement into the lower colon, maybe the area around your (hypothetical) ulcer wouldn't end up as irritated than when you take it orally since it is farther away and I guess would be less likely to receive the full brunt of the "ingestion". I guess my perspective is that if the reason the chlorophyll orally is giving you trouble is theoretically because your gut isn't healed enough yet to fully digest it and it is only being partially digested and the left overs are feeding bad bacteria causing more damage, pain, and symptoms. Well... if you feed the whole undigested thing to the bad bacteria through the backdoor... I think you'll get just as bad a problem. Although, admittedly, perhaps potentially somewhat muted because of potentially somewhat less exposure.. I still think it will be bad,

the bad bacteria levels will just be too high and this will make them higher :( that's my guess!I mean, really, if you are hoping to get the chlorophyll supplement injection to help heal the damaged parts of your gut, these are going to be the parts that are inhabited with lots and lots of bad bacteria, right? So, if you really could inject it without significantly interacting with or disturbing bad bacteria, that would mean you aren't getting it where the bad bacteria is, right? And therefor not where the damage is, and not helping healing?I'm sorry, please excuse my rambling attempts to be helpful. And I'm very sorry if my tone isn't as friendly as it should be - I'm having me own troubles and not dealing with them as well as I would like ;)Best wishes Darlene

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