Re: Re: REN!! - L Barnum -

[Guest guest]

Hi " L " -

Well, I have to admit that I am becoming a bit confused. Dr. Ren, you say,

was " involved in refining the technical details that lead (sic) to the first

Lap. " How is it, then, if she did such a bang-up job, that she is now

abandoning her procedure in favor of a rather old European one?

I appreciate that she may have the greatest bedside manner. Personally, I

am more concerned with a surgeon's ability to do the surgery that I have

chosen.

I still don't understand why, if she thinks the lap procedure is

problematic, doesn't she go to lap " assisted " or open?

I am still troubled by Deb's surgery. There are too many questions there.

Dr. Ren just blew it off with her humongous ego, however caring she may

appear when first met.

It just looks like the procedure, that she herself perfected, is too complex

for her. Instead of going back to do it another way, she has all but

abandoned it and reverted to another surgery that was discarded in the US

some time ago.

If my surgeon did a " U-turn " like that, I wouldn't be so quick to defend him

unless there was objective evidence that he was right. I have seen nothing

to indicated that Ren has any such evidence.

Nick in Sage

Re: Re: REN!!

>

> --- MsMystic1@... wrote:

> > In a message dated 10/21/01 2:42:45 PM Eastern

> > Daylight Time,

> > duodenalswitch writes:

>

> > This is a total bunch of HOG WASH.

>

>

> ***Hello Carole,

> First let me say that if you had read Marcia's

> original text you would see that I was letting Marcia

> know that Dr. Ren has made some changes since she had

> her surgery with Dr. Ren.

>

>

> >God, this whole thing makes my blood boil and to

> > think that her patients take

> > her side in all this and justify it! **

>

>

> ***I didn't know there were " sides " to be taken and

> just because I respect her choice to do the work she

> wants to, doesn't mean I agree with it. I really

> don't appreciate being attacked for stating my

> experience nor my opinions. I thought this

> was a support group not a bash session. FYI, I to

> agree that at this time I to feel that the BPD/DS is

> the best surgery for me and that is why I am having it

> next month but I must say I did alot of research to

> get to this decision including watching Dr. Hess's

> video.

>

>

> >I know this because I just had my consult

> > with Dr. Oakley of Dr Hess, the surgeon that

> > developed the BPD//DS. First of

> > all, Dr. Oakley and Dr. Hess (in his video) both

> > explain why the Scorponio

> > method DOES NOT WORK. Then they explain why their

> > method is better.

>

>

> ****I would like to caution you though since it seems

> to me that you put a lot of stock in just what one or

> two doctors say. If you ask most doctors they will

> tell you that there way is the best way. Advances in

> medicine are not always the best way. I made that

> mistake once myself and have live with the horrible

> side effects every single day since then. See, I

> mistakenly thought the FDA was here to protect us, I

> learned the truth the hard way.

>

>

> > Sounds like Ren can't do the surgery

>

>

> **** Have you met Dr. Ren? I wasn't in her office 2

> min. and new she cared. I have met a lot of Doctors,

> not just as a nurse but as a patient these last 5

> years. I have been to 34 different doctors and let me

> tell you, not all of them treat you as a person or

> could care less about you. Have you read Dr. Ren's

> credentials? If you did then you already know that

> she was involved with teaching of advanced Lap.

> procedures and was also involved in refining the

> technical details that lead to the first Lap. BPD/DS .

> For further details of Dr. Ren's credentials go to

> www.thinforlife.org. Or go to Hull's File below

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/duodenalswitch/files/Chris%20Hull%27s%20Folder

/early_results_bpd_ds.pdf

>

>

> >>Sounds like Ren can't do the surgery

>

>

> ****Making comments like the one above is not only

> useless but a direct intent to defame a doctor. Dr.

> Ren stated to me that she was considering no longer

> doing the BPD/DS and Of course she does offer other

> types of WLS. I don't pretend to know why she has

> decided this but I do understand that she has that

> right.

>

> >>>It is a travesty

>

> ****I think the bigger travesty is when someone joins

> a support group and takes to Bashing other members. I

> joined this group to learn what others have discovered

> along there journey before and after surgery and to

> help my peers by relating my experiences not to condem

> and sling negative words and untruths.

> ****I am in know way affirming nor condemming any

> doctors opinions on the different types of WLS. It

> is up to the Patients to do the research to make good

> sound medical choices. It only makes good reasoning

> that when a person calls to make a consult appointment

> it is up to them to find out if that surgeon does the

> procedure they are looking for even if they have read

> or heard that the doctor does what they are looking

> for, because like all things in life Change happens

> and often before the websites get updated.

>

>

> =====

> B 36yrs

> Pre-op 11-13-01

> Wt.308 BMI 49

> BCBS of MI Blue Choice POS

>

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