Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 I'm not sure that anything's has been proved about the lack of eating fruits and vegetables in a connection to cancer. Also although we are eating protein first, the total amount we are eating is a lot less than what most of us ate before the DS. I know I use to sit down and eat a minimum of 8 oz of meat at dinner (while on a diet and much more when not dieting). Now I eat about about 4 - 6 oz meat with a few spoonfuls of carbs and vegs. I will probably keep my meat portion the same and increase the carbs and vegs later in my recovery. BTW I almost never ate fruit before either. Rita Black Open DS, Dr. Macura 4/23/01 400 lbs, BMI 63 5/1/01 391 lbs, BMI 61 5/22/01 368 lbs, BMI 58 6/21/01 350 lbs, BMI 55 7/31/01 328 lbs, BMI 51 5/22/01 368 lbs, BMI 58 6/21/01 360 lbs, BMI 55 7/31/01 328 lbs, BMI 51 8/23/01 320 lbs, BMI 50 9/25/01 306 lbs. BMI 48 <A question: since we have to focus on protein, leaving little room for the 5 - 9 servings of fruits and vegetables that are recommended, do we not run a greater risk of cancer long-term? Especially since we are eating so much animal protein, which many consider to be carcinogenic? Judy BPD/DS/Gagner/11-29-01> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Judie Hensel wrote: Judy, I eat plenty of fruits and veggies every day.....usually more than 8-9 servings! Im almost 11 months out though and do eat around 80-100 grams of protein too. Remember, we only absorb about 80% of the protein and 50% of the complex carbs. Judie WOW! Sounds great! Would you mind providing your daily eating routine (with amounts)? I had surgery 9/18 and CANNOT imagine getting 100 grams of protein in a day. I can barely eat 40. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 A daily menu looks like this (changes from day to day though but basically same) Breakfast: 2 scrambled eggs with 1 tbsp of cream and about 1/4 cup of cheese on top 2 sausage or 2 bacon 1 toast with butter and sometimes some jam 4 oz OJ Lunch: Lentil soup half tuna sandwich or chef salad loaded with ham, turkey, roast beef slices and 2 different kinds of cheeses in strips with 1,000 island dressing and a few croutons and egg slices or roast beef horsradish Subway sandwich from Subway (half) with a little lettuce, tomato, pickles, olives etc Dinner: 6-8 ounces of steak medium half baked potato with butter and sour cream fresh green beans (half cup) very small salad I eat fruit about one hour after eating each meal and thruout the day I snack on grapes and things like that. I get about 6 fruits every day.....about a cups worth each time. You had surgery in Sept so you can hardly be expected to eat this much food. Im almost 11 months out so I can eat alot more now. You will too in time! Be patient! When I was 2 months out I couldnt even fit in 40 grams of protein a day! (at that time I hated the thought of eating protein) Hugs, Judie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Especially since we are eating so much > animal protein, which many consider to be carcinogenic? > > Judy > BPD/DS/Gagner/11-29-01 Judy, You don't have to eat animal protein, you know. I'm a semi- vegetarian (I eat fish and dairy products) and there are choices in protein that are free of animal products. Tofu, nuts, soy nuts, edemame, and there are lots of frozen items out there made with soy protein instead of meat like Morningstar Farms corn dogs, sausage, bacon, etc. Try some of these and see what you think. You might be surprised at how tasty they are and my surgeon's office recommends them. Tracey in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 In a message dated 10/8/01 2:38:38 PM, duodenalswitch writes: << A question: since we have to focus on protein, leaving little room for the 5 - 9 servings of fruits and vegetables that are recommended, do we not run a greater risk of cancer long-term? Especially since we are eating so much animal protein, which many consider to be carcinogenic? >> Judy: I think that getting the fresh fruits and veggies can be more of a challenge as a post-op (especially a recent post-op), but it can be done. The best way I've found is to make dishes that naturally combine things (stir fries are great for this). That way, each bite has protein but also veggies... As far as the meat is concerned, there are two ways to look at it: If one is concerned about getting so much animal protein, try balancing this out with more vegan sources (beans, tofu, etc.). It may be difficult to go totally vegan and get all the protein one needs in terms of not being able to eat larg(er) amounts of veggie protein vis a vis animal protein, but I don't think it's totally impossible. Also, we do NOT absorb all the protein we ingest! That's important to remember. The reason we are eating so much is to get a 'normal' amount in our bodies! :) We may consume anywhere from 80-100+ a day, but that does NOT all get into our system. Same thing for fat -- it is a major no-no for the majority of the population but, since we don't absorb most of it, we can consume high-fat items (unless we have bad reactions to them like severe diahhrea, gas, etc.) and the fat won't be contributing to heart disease, etc. all the best, lap ds with gallbladder removal January 25, 2001 Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC almost 9 months post-op and still feelin' fabu! preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45 now: 213 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 In a message dated 10/9/01 12:20:27 AM, duodenalswitch writes: << Be patient! When I was 2 months out I couldnt even fit in 40 grams of protein a day! (at that time I hated the thought of eating protein) >> I was able to get 70 gms/a day in from my first week post-op. Mainly, this came from dairy sources (as well as tuna/very soft meatloaf/meatballs). One important thing was to DRINK protein whenever possible -- I had quite a bit of soy milk and regular milk (even milk with my protein powder). I'd nibble on half a large protein bar in bed for breakfast and finish the rest as a snack later. I had water and gatorade (didn't like the Crystal light stuff or any diet drinks immediately post-op) but also soy and milk to keep hydrated and get the protein in. Now, I realize that many people have adverse reactions to dairy/lactose and then I can see where it would be pretty difficult to get all the protein in. After 3 weeks, I started added meats and it was a lot easier to pack the protein in with small amounts of food. I also didn't experience any nausea, etc. upon eating and was able to get about 4 oz in at a sitting. This is not necessarily the norm as an immediate post-op. all the best, lap ds with gallbladder removal January 25, 2001 Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC almost 9 months post-op and still feelin' fabu! preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45 now: 213 (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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