Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 In a message dated 10/21/01 10:18:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, duodenalswitch writes: << Please take into consideration a person's particular problem might be other than what YOU experience, and that they might need other treatment. >> I find it incredibly amazing that the very people who got the DS because they decided it was right for them don't care that their surgeon doesn't want to do it anymore. Instead of caring about her future patients so they can have the same opportunity that YOU had, you ask others not to judge the surgeon and you still stick up for her. Incredible. And, sorry, but I will judge when I think a surgeon is wrong. Its my right to have a choice of the surgery I want. its the right of any future Ren or patients to have the same choice. But you seem to think it isn't, and since you already " got yours " it doesn''t matter. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 In a message dated 10/22/01 10:31:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, marym@... writes: > I confess. Guilty. I am *very* attached to my pyloric valve. In > fact, I am attached to it in my stomach and my teeny tiny duodenum > stump. But wait, before you judge me-- I need to explain.. I was > *born* that way! > > So blame my parents and sue me. > > LOL I agree ... ~*~ AJ ~*~ Bellingham, WA Age 37 5'8'' Open DS self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! 09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches 10/21/01 BMI 52.9 348.0 -67.1 lbs! -50.0 inches My profile: http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956 My website: www.wls4aj.homestead.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 , You're right. But neither has Dr. Ren. I believe that quote came from Dr. . Marcia RE: Re: Amazing! > Even the great Gagner has lost patients and hasn't > been bashed the way that Ren has). I know that the great Gagner has lost patient. What he hasn't done, to my knowledge, is tell a patient that we DSers are a little too attached to our pyloric valve, or that we " put them on a pedestal " . That attitude is what bothers me more than anything. M. --- in Valrico, FL, age 39 Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10/19/99 Starting weight 299, now 155 Starting BMI 49.7, now 25.8 Starting size 26/28, now 10/12 http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/_M_/melanie_m_.html Direct replies: mailto:melanie@... _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Nick, I don't dismiss every bit of information. What I do try to do is keep an open mind and not be judgmental about people who choose to take a different path than I did. Marcia Re: Re: Amazing! Marcia - Have you read the information on Deb's site? We're not in a court of law here. It clearly points out that there may be unexpected risks with the fully lap DS. I think that the method used to perform the procedure is what should be being questioned, not the DS itself. It is a very complex surgery and making it even more difficult by going fully lap may not make a lot of sense. Everyone loves their surgeon and I love mine as much as you love yours. However, it is foolhardy to dismiss every bit of information that comes your way that threatens your paradigm. Best - Nick ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 I confess. Guilty. I am *very* attached to my pyloric valve. In fact, I am attached to it in my stomach and my teeny tiny duodenum stump. But wait, before you judge me-- I need to explain.. I was *born* that way! So blame my parents and sue me. , Attached to her Pylorus and proud of it in Seattle great Gagner has lost patient. What he hasn't done, to > my knowledge, is tell a patient that we DSers are a little too attached > to our pyloric valve, or that we " put them on a pedestal " . That attitude > is what bothers me more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 > Leeanne wrote back to me yesturday and said > that she was going to speak with and tell > her that she wanted the BPD/DS since that is the > reason she came to see her in the first place. She posted that to the entire DS list yeaterday. Do you know if she has an angel? Would be nocve to know how she is doing tonight. , Settle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 , These are snips from the List from several posters: " she had the traditional DS instead of the new one that Dr. is doing " ; " she got to her room about 2PM....groggy and in pain. " " Lee Anne got the same version of the DGB as the previous 5 of us but Dr P mentioned to her that she would be the last one to do so. " Kathy in Arlington > > Leeanne wrote back to me yesturday and said > > that she was going to speak with and tell > > her that she wanted the BPD/DS since that is the > > reason she came to see her in the first place. > > She posted that to the entire DS list yeaterday. Do you know if she > has an angel? Would be nocve to know how she is doing tonight. > > , Settle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 This whole issue of RNY vs. DS can be summed up in Freudian terms as follows: People with the RNY have P(ylorus) Envy. Best- Nick in Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Marty, I have seen this quote attributed to both Ren and . Months ago, Deb attributed that quote to Dr. Ren. Now Lee Anne has said she heard it from Dr. . Perhaps the two docs are pals and share this sentiment. Marty wrote: > , > You're right. But neither has Dr. Ren. I believe that quote > came from Dr. . > Marcia > > RE: Re: Amazing! > > > Even the great Gagner has lost patients and hasn't > > been bashed the way that Ren has). > > I know that the great Gagner has lost patient. What he hasn't done, to > my knowledge, is tell a patient that we DSers are a little > too attached > to our pyloric valve, or that we " put them on a pedestal " . > That attitude > is what bothers me more than anything. > > M. > > --- > in Valrico, FL, age 39 > Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10/19/99 > Starting weight 299, now 155 > Starting BMI 49.7, now 25.8 > Starting size 26/28, now 10/12 > http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/_M_/melanie_m_.html > > Direct replies: mailto:melanie@... > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Last Thursday I saw the surgeon (#2), I was determined I wanted the RNY. He mentioned the DS and explained all about it. He told me to go home and research it and decide which I wanted by this Thurs. (25). He recommended duodenalswitch.com but it is down. So I started reading everything else and came across this site. After lurking several days, I must say for a SUPPORT group you do more nitpicking and bickering than helping!!! I was looking for what to expect after surgery, diet, restrictions etc., etc. There are some very helpful posts but......... Please remember there are people out here who need your help. I'm sure that was the intention when this site was started. I think many people on here need to refocus on why they came to this site and help each other. Carol Beam > > > , > > You're right. But neither has Dr. Ren. I believe that quote > > came from Dr. . > > Marcia > > > > RE: Re: Amazing! > > > > > Even the great Gagner has lost patients and hasn't > > > been bashed the way that Ren has). > > > > I know that the great Gagner has lost patient. What he hasn't done, to > > my knowledge, is tell a patient that we DSers are a little > > too attached > > to our pyloric valve, or that we " put them on a pedestal " . > > That attitude > > is what bothers me more than anything. > > > > M. > > > > --- > > in Valrico, FL, age 39 > > Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10/19/99 > > Starting weight 299, now 155 > > Starting BMI 49.7, now 25.8 > > Starting size 26/28, now 10/12 > > http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/_M_/melanie_m_.html > > > > Direct replies: mailto:melanie@t... > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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