Re: Second intro attempt

[Guest guest]

At 01:26 PM 4/27/2010, you wrote:

How do people do intro in this

situation? Just the chicken broth and meat/fish??? Maybe some pureed

vegies? I am ready to abandon intro this time around because it seems

impossible to do it correctly. I'd be eating the same thing for

breakfast, lunch and dinner.

When I began, I had been very ill with gall bladder disease for two

months. I was MOSTLY on SCD for that time, as in, I'd begun the yogurt,

eliminated all starches and refined sugars. (My spice mixtures weren't

yet legal.) I was in hospital for four days for what was supposed to be

same-day surgery. (Too much anesthesia, body didn't detox properly, I

passed out every time I tried to stand up.)

When I got home from the hospital, I told Harry that NOW was the time.

All legal, all the time. (Well, barring the newbie mistakes we all seem

destined to make, no matter how careful we are!)

I was too sick to make chicken soup. Harry is not a cook. (Making SCD

gelatin for me while I was in hospital was pretty much his limit.) So I

began with roast beef, roast pork, steamed zucchini, and soft-boiled

eggs.

If I remember correctly, it was around four weeks, I was well enough to

start making yogurt again, and learned that I did much, much better if it

was dripped. Around eight weeks, well, it was Christmas, and although I

was all SCD, some of the stuff was too advanced. <wry

grin>

So, pick a couple plain meats that you tolerate, and a couple basic

vegetables that you know you can handle, and use those. The intro diet,

whether in BTVC or on Pecanbread is a GUIDELINE, not an

absolute.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marilyn. Why would dripping the yogurt make a difference, I wonder? I see that I will have to stick to meat, broth and vegetables well cooked. And give away my gorgeous yogurt and cheesecake DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 9 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 2:59:22 PMSubject: Re: Second intro attempt If I remember correctly, it was around four weeks, I was well enough to start making yogurt again, and learned that I did much, much better if it was dripped. Around eight weeks, well, it was Christmas, and although I was all SCD, some of the stuff was too advanced. <wry grin>So, pick a couple plain meats that you tolerate, and a couple basic vegetables that you know you can handle, and use those. The intro diet, whether in BTVC or on Pecanbread is a GUIDELINE, not an absolute.

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Okay. The casein is still in the yogurt though, is that correct?

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 9 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 6:14:17 PMSubject: Re: Second intro attempt

At 05:07 PM 4/27/2010, you wrote:

Thanks Marilyn. Why would dripping the yogurt make a difference, I wonder?Dripping the yogurt removes the galactose, which some people find difficult to digest. Personally, I do it because it makes it thicker and much less tart, thus it takes less fruit or honey to make it the luscious and delectable treat most of us love.

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Yes it is.

PJ

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> Thanks Marilyn. Why would dripping the yogurt make a difference, I wonder?

> Dripping the yogurt removes the galactose, which some people find difficult to

digest. Personally, I do it because it makes it thicker and much less tart, thus

it takes less fruit or honey to make it the luscious and delectable treat most

of us love.

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> †" Marilyn

>     New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

>     Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

>     Darn Good SCD Cook

>     No Human Children

>     Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>     Babette the Foundling Beagle

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[Guest guest]

Kim,

As always, thanks for a very informative posting. I'm beginning to realize that the reality is I am going to be eating foods simply to stay alive and allow for healing and not so much for the taste. What's left for me to eat on intro is really going to be pretty much what I am eating on a regular basis. Hardly any difference at all. It seems that the more plain the food is, the better it sits with me. DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 9 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 7:50:42 PMSubject: Re:Re: Second intro attempt

Darlene

I tried the intro. diet foods as described in BTVC the first time, but ended up sicker than ever. So I went back to clear liquids for a week, until my symptoms had moderated a bit (I was very symptomatic at the time!) then tried the intro. diet again, this time substituting other foods for the ones I felt were causing the most problems. I did a bit better symptom-wise the second time around, but still had to substitute some other things when I went back to it later on. Eventually I came up with my own version of the intro. diet using soft and easy-to-digest foods appropriate for my particular digestion and immune system.

You might need to adjust your intro. diet foods too. After that first trial of the intro. diet foods I eliminated the cheesecake (never found DCCC), grape juice, ground beef, carrots the next time. Third time around I eliminated broth and gelatin. I substituted other foods that my digestion tolerated, such as baked chicken, broiled or sauteed fish, applesauce (made with Granny apples), Italian green beans – I know, very weird, but my digestion happily handles well-cooked Italian green beans even when I’m flaring [grin]. I also eat scrambled eggs and drink a lot of diluted apple juice when I’m on my intro. diet.

Just a thought. The purpose of the intro. diet is to choose foods that are soft, and easy-to-digest. That short list of foods can vary somewhat for each of us. I was never able to ask Elaine about these changes, but all of my research into digestion (and discussions with my gastroenterologist) confirmed my decision to modify the intro. diet foods based on my body’s reactions. So for me, it has worked well. I have rarely needed to fall back to my version of the intro. diet since year 3 on SCD.

Yes, on the intro. diet I do eat the same foods throughout the day and repeat it the next day. And, now that I think of it, I eat nearly the same foods in sequence throughout the week even today, six years later [grin]. I rarely eat for pleasure any more, given my cranky digestion. I eat just for fuel and energy, although I still derive some satisfaction when I try something I don’t eat too often. It is hard to do much given that I have to seriously limit fat, fiber, carbs, spices; can’t eat dairy…

My goal since day one on SCD is to learn how to keep the chronic digestive symptoms minimal. Once I discovered my core group of foods that helped me reach this goal, I’ve stuck with them ever since. My gut ecology has improved over the years, so I’m really doing quite well in the digestion department. Not so good with my metabolism, nervous system and spine, but that’s another story. As long as my digestion continues to work relatively well, I’m able to cope with everything else.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years

[Guest guest]

The good thing is that even if you have to stick to a core group of foods for a

long time, even if they are plain and bland, eventually you should be able to

handle more " new " foods and wonderful SCD recipes once in a while without

serious repurcussion.

I don't mind eating plain foods most of the time, since I can now have something

a bit different once a month. It did take me 3 years to reach this point,

though. But so worth the struggle and hard work!

You are in the middle of the worst phase on SCD, when there is major detoxing

and die-off and a healing regression (around 3 months). So things should

improve a bit, then perhaps regress a bit, then improve a lot more -- until one

day you'll be able to say that you are healed [grin].

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

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> Kim,

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> As always, thanks for a very informative posting. I'm beginning to realize

that the reality is I am going to be eating foods simply to stay alive and allow

for healing and not so much for the taste. What's left for me to eat on intro is

really going to be pretty much what I am eating on a regular basis. Hardly any

difference at all. It seems that the more plain the food is, the better it sits

with me.

>  Darlene

> Intestinal Dysbiosis/CFS

> SCD 9 weeks

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[Guest guest]

At 10:15 AM 4/28/2010, you wrote:

Okay. The casein is still in the

yogurt though, is that correct?

The casein is still in the yogurt. However, the long fermentation

typically denatures the casein so that it is tolerable.

People who do not tolerate cow dairy can often tolerate goat or sheep

dairy.

Another consideration is whether the milk itself is from fully pastured

animals.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Aw Alyssa, thank you! The soup sounds delicious. I'm printing it off and will add it to my SCD recipe binder. In fact, I have lots of chicken broth in the fridge right now so I should make it this week. I'll let you know how it turns out. DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 9 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 3:26:03 PMSubject: Re: Re:Re: Second intro attempt

I'm beginning to realize that the reality is I am going to be eating foods simply to stay alive and allow for healing and not so much for the taste. What's left for me to eat on intro is really going to be pretty much what I am eating on a regular basis. Hardly any difference at all. It seems that the more plain the food is, the better it sits with me.

I'm not sure if you are able to tolerate all these ingredients, but here's a pureed carrot soup I posted a while ago that I think is really tasty with virgin coconut oil melted in it. It seems very nourishing and easy to digest to me since it's pureed, so if you think you might be able to tolerate everything you might try it for something different =)

Carrot Soup (from Grain Free Foodies blog)

Ingredients1 Tbsp. olive oil1 Tbsp. butter (or ghee)1 1/2 large onions, chopped2 lbs carrots, peeled and chopped1 inch piece of fresh ginger, peeled and minced2 quarts (or more) homemade chicken broth2 tsp. ground corianderSalt to tastePepper to tasteChopped cilantro or parsley for garnishMethodSautee the onions, ginger and carrots in the fat until onions are translucent. Add coriander, salt and pepper. Stir for about a minute. Add chicken broth and cook until vegetables are very soft. Puree. Add more liquid, if necessary. This is good with coconut milk too, but I don't have any that's suitable on hand at the moment.You can leave out the coriander for the intro diet, if you are avoiding spices. You can also substitute the fat without worrying.

Peace =)

Alyssa 16 yo

UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

[Guest guest]

I have my yogurt dripping on the counter. I'm going to try it a teaspoon at a time per day and gradually increase and see what happens. Somewhere I read about a skin test for allergies. I tried it last night, have no idea how accurate this might be. I rubbed some mashed up DCCC on one wrist and yogurt on the other. You're supposed to let it dry and then see if there's a skin reaction by morning. In about an hour the patch with DCCC seemed a bit red, almost as though a rash was forming. The yogurt side - nothing. By morning both wrists were completely normal. All I know is that somewhere between the eggs, the DCCC and the yogurt during this intro attempt, it gave me a lot of stomach pain and terrible bloat. So I thought I'd try a teensy bit of the dripped yogurt.

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 9 weeks

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 2:36:18 PMSubject: Re: Second intro attempt

At 10:15 AM 4/28/2010, you wrote:

Okay. The casein is still in the yogurt though, is that correct?The casein is still in the yogurt. However, the long fermentation typically denatures the casein so that it is tolerable.People who do not tolerate cow dairy can often tolerate goat or sheep dairy.Another consideration is whether the milk itself is from fully pastured animals.

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Alyssa,

The soup is very delicious! I'm eating it right now. Love the coriander flavor. The coconut oil added to a bowl is yummy. Thanks for a great recipe! DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 10 weeks

Carrot Soup (from Grain Free Foodies blog)

Ingredients1 Tbsp. olive oil1 Tbsp. butter (or ghee)1 1/2 large onions, chopped2 lbs carrots, peeled and chopped1 inch piece of fresh ginger, peeled and minced2 quarts (or more) homemade chicken broth2 tsp. ground corianderSalt to tastePepper to tasteChopped cilantro or parsley for garnishMethodSautee the onions, ginger and carrots in the fat until onions are translucent. Add coriander, salt and pepper. Stir for about a minute. Add chicken broth and cook until vegetables are very soft. Puree. Add more liquid, if necessary. This is good with coconut milk too, but I don't have any that's suitable on hand at the moment.You can leave out the coriander for the intro diet, if you are avoiding spices. You can also substitute the fat without worrying.

Peace =)

Alyssa 16 yo

UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day

[Guest guest]

The soup is very delicious! I'm eating it right now. Love the coriander flavor. The coconut oil added to a bowl is yummy. Thanks for a great recipe!Woot! Glad I could help =) Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 30 mg 1x per day