Re: Epsom Salt Baths? / Sulfer rich foods

[Guest guest]

- Your son's progress has given my great hope. Especially

considering the fact that I believe both of our kids were harmed the

same way (you know, that company that starts with a " G " ). What foods

are sulfur rich? I cannot afford chelation and unless my

pediatrician approves it, my insurance won't pay for it (HMO).

Unless I rob a bank, chelation is out of the question for us. Maybe

I could feed my son sulfur rich foods until I win the lottery.

Thankfully he likes veggies and is pretty good at trying new foods.

>

We had been

> told by Dr. Bill Sardi, a medical journalist on the

> West Coast, that eating sulfur rich foods is a natural

> chelator, so that's what made me wonder about the

> baths.

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[Guest guest]

Here is a weird one for you. My son needs to have an MRI done under

anesthesia. Today I found out that he needs to have an ekg first. I am

worried about the glue adhesive on the leads. Should I worry about this?

In the past if he gets into stickers or glue that is not gf, he appears

to be " high " and unable to concentrate. The hospital is stumped. Am I

making too much of this?

Phyllis

[Guest guest]

Here is a weird one for you. My son needs to have an MRI done under

anesthesia. Today I found out that he needs to have an ekg first. I am

worried about the glue adhesive on the leads. Should I worry about this?

In the past if he gets into stickers or glue that is not gf, he appears

to be " high " and unable to concentrate. The hospital is stumped. Am I

making too much of this?

Phyllis

[Guest guest]

how about just soaking feet??? i remember reading

where that was what someone else did and read stories

during the soak time??? neva

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[Guest guest]

> I've also heard of people making up the solution and putting it in

spray bottles and spraying the kids down, perhaps this

> would work for you??

I mix 1 cup of epsom salts and two cups of pure water in a spray

bottle and mist my two boys chest and back in the summer when it is

warm. Also, I fill a small plastic container, or sometimes use a 13 x

9 baking dish and put the mixture in that. The boys soak their feet

in it while they do their reading or homework, about 20-30 minutes. I

keep re-heating the water to keep it warm. They are 7 and 9 and like

doing it this way.

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[Guest guest]

as far as i know 30 mins in very warm water almost every night is

fine...thats what we do with our 2 year old and we are having good

results....along with a host of other interventions....hope this helps...just

be careful if you have siezure or really bad skin rash symptoms......Sharon

C. also try to wash the salts off the body with clear water after the

bath....

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

I believe there is a myth in the autism community about the way epsom salts

works, with people thinking that it is pulling the toxins out of the body

and into the water. Certainly you can sweat out certain toxins like you

would in a sauna, but the role of sulfate in the water for that process is

questionable. Probably the most likely thing to bind to the form of sulfate

that it is in the water is CALCIUM, not complicated phenols and organic

toxins. I rather doubt even the binding of calcium that has been sweated

out is happening to any significant degree.

Sulfate does not cross membranes (like you'd find in the skin) unless

transported by a sulfate-specific transporter. Sulfate's attachment to

toxins to detoxify them is a very complicated procedure. The idea that

this is happening in the tub just doesn't follow biological principles.

The way sulfate in the water is likely to be working is by being absorbed

into the body through the skin where it can become part of the biological

process of detoxification. That means that sulfate and the molecule it has

bound after a complicated series of enzymatic steps will end up excreted

much later in the urine or feces.

Once absorbed, sulfate may also be used to modify many molecules that have

NOTHING at all to do with detoxification...and describe its most probable

use...providing meaningful and very regulated patterns of negative charge

on sugar molecules that are active in helping cells talk to each

other. These patterns are also useful for managing other molecules which

need " permission " to approach the cell and engage their own receptors, and

important to managing the behavior of cations in the region outside of the

cell called the extracellular matrix.

The process of using sulfate in biological systems requires a large protein

enzyme to act called a sulfotransferase. There are many different kinds of

sulfotransferases. To be useful to a sulfotransferase, inorganic sulfate

(the form of sulfate in epsom salts) has to be incorporated into a molecule

called PAPS which contains adenosine AND has been phosphorylated

twice. This requires some complicated biology and other enzymes to happen,

so it is NOT happening in the water in the tub! It happens in your body

AFTER sulfate has entered cells in the rest of the body via the blood stream.

Sulfate, once in the blood, does not stay there for long. In fact, some

studies have suggested that it does what it does and then ends up in the

urine four to nine hours later. The epsom salts left on the skin may

continue to be absorbed as long as it is still on the skin, offering

something sort of like " timed release " into the blood stream.

For that reason, leaving the epsom salts on the skin to dry may be

beneficial for stretching out the effectiveness of this intervention, like

medications that are administered through skin patches. None of this

process of skin absorption has ever been quantified, as far as I have been

able to tell.

The application of mag. sulfate solution was the ONLY method I used for my

father who had Alzheimer's disease, because he had broken a hip and could

not soak in a tub. We always left it on his skin to dry, where it formed a

thin white powder. His response is, of course, only anecdotal evidence, but

the intervention seemed to reverse some of the more miserable aspects of

the disease for him at the end stages and made a really substantial

improvement in his quality of life. One of the biggest things it seemed to

change was his sensory defensiveness and rages, which made it much easier

to keep staff working with him.

PS. If anyone has had ANY onset of seizure after or during an epsom salts

bath, I want to hear from them! I have not heard of that happening...

At 10/23/2001 -040009:15 PM, you wrote:

>as far as i know 30 mins in very warm water almost every night is

>fine...thats what we do with our 2 year old and we are having good

>results....along with a host of other interventions....hope this helps...just

>be careful if you have siezure or really bad skin rash symptoms......Sharon

>C. also try to wash the salts off the body with clear water after the

>bath....

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Would you please tell me the benefits of soaking in Epsom salts?

Thank you,

n