Re: sent to graduate list---ds weight regain???

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Yet again Dawn you are my Hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lisbeth

dwkteach@... wrote: Hi!

This is what I sent to the graduate list about weight regain!

Hope I get (or don't get) any responses!

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Hi all?

Someone mentioned to me that there are some BPD/DSers on this list that have

gained a significant amount of their weight back??? The literature shoes

little (8 pounds) to no late weight regain, but of course this is an average.

I have had no problems with weight regain, but am interested in any who

have. I do know of a couple with very rare metabolic (bodies are overly

adaptive at trying to keep them fat) problems that had to have there surgery

fine tuned (only 2 in the hundreds (maybe over a thousand) of dsers I have

run across. But their doctors have told them this is a very, very, very rare

situation with the ds. Typically when a ds surgeon hears of a person not

losing enough or gaining they look at the procedure. There is very little

talk from the surgeons about how the patient " ate around " or was " non

compliant " I would love to hear from any who have gained over 10 pounds with

the ds. I would like to hear from the actual person or from anyone who can

put me in contact with the actual person.

Someone said there were a lot of posts about BPD/DS weight gain back in the

mid to end of summer. I was on this list the whole time and never saw

them????? There was a lot of talk of others struggling, but I don't remember

the BPD/DS ones. Please reacquaint me with your situation if you were one of

the BPD/DSers talking about weight regain.

Thanks for your help.

Dawn--South Suburban Chicago area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165 5' 4 "

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting

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people with the DS are lazy they have the DS because they dont want to be

healthy just skinny>>

they probably assume that becuz we can eat fats that dont affect us and they

cant eat fats. (most of them cant, anyway) then they use the excuse that

" oh yuck fats make me sick just thinking about them " .....well, I DO prefer

butter on my potato!! =)

Judie

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Judie,

I haven't been kicked off any list but I do know that when I discuss the DS I

have heard comments like: Well I wouldnt have the DS because I dont want to eat

normal and people with the DS are lazy they have the DS because they dont want

to be healthy just skinny. Personally I think that people getting the RNY are

masochists (just a personal opinion folks) I can't imagine thinking of dumping

as a positive thing....I go out to alot of work related social functions and I

am trying to imagine having a dumping episode during an event and the thought

leaves me cold.....But hey different strokes for different folks.....

*hugs*

Lisbeth

Judie Hensel wrote: Lisbeth,

that is common for some RNYers especially those having problems, I was on

another list and trying to be helpful to some who were asking about the DS

and their moderator kicked me off the list!

Judie

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> they probably assume that becuz we can eat fats that dont

> affect us and they cant eat fats. (most of them cant,

> anyway) then they use the excuse that " oh yuck fats

> make me sick just thinking about them " .....well, I DO prefer

> butter on my potato!! =)

Not too long ago on another list, a poster (proximal RNY) wrote:

> And that brings up what I see as a problem with DS--so many

> of its patients seem positively elated that they can eat all

> the fatty stuff they want! This is NOT great news! "

I replied to say yep, we love not being so limited on the fat, and

beside that -- how can it hurt you if it isn't being absorbed? Here's

the shocker (not!): I never got an answer to my reply. It does seem

that the " bad food " mentality is so pervasive that common sense can get

lost in the knee-jerk reactions. We have to explain the anatomy and try

get educate people like this.

M.

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in Valrico, FL, age 39

Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10/19/99

Starting weight 299, now 155

Starting BMI 49.7, now 25.8

Starting size 26/28, now 10/12

http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/_M_/melanie_m_.html

Direct replies: mailto:melanie@...

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fat free foods generally contain more sugar than fat foods do! I prefer the

real mayo too and sour cream, of course, loaded with cheese and bacon

crumbles, sunflower seeds and croutons with dressing of my choice! Chef

salads are wonderful...loaded with meat, cheese and everything you couldnt

eat when dieting!

Judie =)

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....its really tough sometimes to educate them with anatomy and

such.....some of them just dont want to hear that they might possibly have

made a mistake. They can not make themselves believe that we do have a much

better relationship with food than they do.

I never try to make them feel bad or as if they made a mistake becuz some of

them are deeply distressed over their weight regains and such....its like we

are there to pick up the broken pieces for them!

Judie

[Guest guest]

You are right , we do have to educate people more on the DS....I was

talking to a nurse who is familiar with the RNY...When I told her I had a

gastric bypass she asked how I was doing with the low fat diet. I replied I was

not on a low-fat diet or any diet at all...I then explained theDS &

mal-absorption to her and she said " keep eating fatty protein " I nodded and

smiled. Yeah my eating has changed now I have a BLT only without the bread and

let me tell you I dont miss the bread!!!! I treat my vegtables like carbs. I

have been staying away from potatoes, carrots and corn for personal

reasons....But I enjoy the freedom the DS gives me.

Lisbeth

Not too long ago on another list, a poster (proximal RNY) wrote:

> And that brings up what I see as a problem with DS--so many

> of its patients seem positively elated that they can eat all

> the fatty stuff they want! This is NOT great news! "

I replied to say yep, we love not being so limited on the fat, and

beside that -- how can it hurt you if it isn't being absorbed? Here's

the shocker (not!): I never got an answer to my reply. It does seem

that the " bad food " mentality is so pervasive that common sense can get

lost in the knee-jerk reactions. We have to explain the anatomy and try

get educate people like this.

M.

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in Valrico, FL, age 39

Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10/19/99

Starting weight 299, now 155

Starting BMI 49.7, now 25.8

Starting size 26/28, now 10/12

http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/_M_/melanie_m_.html

Direct replies: mailto:melanie@...

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Just reading your posts make me hungry>>>

me too, Lisbeth! LOL Havent had dinner yet but im getting there!!

Hugs Judie

[Guest guest]

Just reading your posts make me hungry Judie! LOL

Lisbeth

Judie Hensel wrote: fat free foods generally contain

more sugar than fat foods do! I prefer the

real mayo too and sour cream, of course, loaded with cheese and bacon

crumbles, sunflower seeds and croutons with dressing of my choice! Chef

salads are wonderful...loaded with meat, cheese and everything you couldnt

eat when dieting!

Judie =)

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Judie,

As I read the post-op RNY'ers I have often thought that some do not have develop

a healthy approach to eating. I can think of several instances where people have

posted there food intake and when someone say's " you need to eat more " the

person lashes out. *shakes head* Its kind of scary because it seems that some go

from one extreme to another... A part of me wants to unsub from the OSSG lists

and then I think maybe I can make I can reach out and spread the word about the

DS. But some of the posts are scarey!

Lisbeth

Judie Hensel wrote: They can not make themselves

believe that we do have a much

better relationship with food than they do.

Judie

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Really I would not want to have a surgery make my choices for me. I

don't want to be forced to " be good " I can eat healthy, and I can

not eat healthy. I have a choice. Let them eat cake! sorry... let ME

eat cake " Viva DS "

Teri

Lisbeth,

> that is common for some RNYers especially those having problems, I

was on

> another list and trying to be helpful to some who were asking about

the DS

> and their moderator kicked me off the list!

>

> Judie

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[Guest guest]

----Let them eat cake! sorry... let ME

eat cake " Viva DS "

Teri>>>

LOL Teri! Well said!!!

Hugs, Judie

[Guest guest]

Lisbeth,

I know what you mean and youre right. I think unsubing could be a mistake

so what Im doing now is kinda trying to stay in the background and when I

feel I need to help someone or talk to someone seeking surgery I will email

them privately. I think you could do much good that way too.....hang in

there becuz one day they will be thanking you.

Hugs, Judie

[Guest guest]

Part of the problem with RNYers, I think, is that they are

misinformed, sometimes deliberately. When I first started

investigating WLS, a local post-op invited me to a meeting at a

hospital in Burlingame. There were at least 150 people and only one

other interested in DS! They showed the TV show about Bob Haller (60

Minutes?) and then answered questions. For this you were supposed to

pay $5; no one had a clue as to where that went. But I digress...

Near the end I finally had the courage to ask the doctor how he felt

about DS. He laughed and said " It's fine if you don't mind having

diarrhea for the rest of your life. " He then looked around the room

with a sly, knowing grin and EVERYONE laughed and clapped and

yelled " Oh no! " and the like. I hadn't yet read enough about DS to

know he was wrong; he almost had me convinced! It was like a pyramid

sales meeting--where do I sign?

I do notice that DSers in general seem to be much more knowledgeable

about WLS in general. RNYers often do what their friends do, accept

their doctors' word as law, etc. There is so little info about DS on

sites like obesityhelp.com and others that if they aren't the type to

research they'll never find out about it until post-op. What a bummer

THAT must be!! Then they become defensive about what they have done

and have to justify it. Unfortunately that convinces other non-

researchers that RNY is good.

Of course I am not speaking about ALL RNYers!

Chris

[Guest guest]

> I saved Rita's email and as soon as I am done going through the archives I

am going to email and ask her which phantom DS'ers she was referring to!

I personally think she needs to post to all the list she said this to, that

she was wrong .

[Guest guest]

But some of the posts are scary

What the scary part to me was when the Dr. was speaking last week and

saying that the people that were the most successful with RNY surgery were

the ones that have the dumping syndrome. He actually said that this was a

major strength to the surgery.

I felt so bad for the people in the room. The nutritionist basically said

you will be on a low calorie, low fat diet for the rest of your life.

Eating food by thumb size, chewing till mashed in the mouth. You should

see their faces. Yet, out of desperation they will do the surgery because

they don't even know that there are any other alternatives. They just know

they are dying as they are.

So they are finding a way to forcefully control our " BAD " habits. I will

die happily obese before I will do the RNY. At least, I hope I can keep

that belief up as the path gets tougher every day. LOL

I still believe we are being treated with prejudice in the medical field.

They only teach the RNY at Medical Schools. WE STILL ARE THE BAD PEOPLE

WHO CAN'T CONTROL OURSELVES. So THEY will do it for us.

Makes me so angry the more I study.

i

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Well since we are so lazy and eat all those fats and have sweets

someimes, maybe we culd have some sort of routine self flagellation

ro compensate for the painless weight loss. I mean, shouldn't we all

suffer equally?

LOL

, Seattle

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It does seem

> that the " bad food " mentality is so pervasive that common sense can

get

> lost in the knee-jerk reactions.

[Guest guest]

ROTFLMAO good one !

Lisbeth

marym@... wrote: Well since we are so lazy and eat all those fats and

have sweets

someimes, maybe we culd have some sort of routine self flagellation

ro compensate for the painless weight loss. I mean, shouldn't we all

suffer equally?

LOL

, Seattle

>

It does seem

> that the " bad food " mentality is so pervasive that common sense can

get

> lost in the knee-jerk reactions.

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