Guest guest Posted October 21, 2001 Report Share Posted October 21, 2001 In a message dated 10/21/01 2:42:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, duodenalswitch writes: << Please don't make the assumption that she is exploring other avenues of WL relief because she CAN'T do DS, rather that not all morbidly obese people SHOULD have DS. This is only MHO Respectfully, Marcia >> I respectfully disagree with you or Dr. Ren or whoever says not all morbidly obese people should have DS. Why? I know there are those who want to suffer and choose RNY because of it. However, I also know there are thousands who don't even know about the DS and would choose it in a heartbeat if they KNEW about it. It sickens me that Dr. Ren waits for the " patient " to let her know that THEY know about DS instead of telling them about it, and will, instead, because the patient didn't know about DS, suggest some other procedure. Saying NOT ALL MORBIDLY OBESE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE DS is a complete and TOTAL COP OUT and BS besides. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2001 Report Share Posted October 21, 2001 In a message dated 10/21/01 4:12:45 PM, duodenalswitch writes: << *note what is to follow is a personal opinion* I believe the reason that Dr. Ren wants to do the BPD and not the DS is because of her lawsuit. I think this is her way of proving that the BPD without the DS is favorable and I think that is why she is trying to put less importance on the pylorous. Like I said this is just an opinion based on what I have read on here. >> Hmmmmmm... Lisbeth -- you could very well be onto something here. This is a very valid point. For newbies and those who are wondering: The case you are referring to is Deb Mullins, who went for a DS but came out with a BPD due to what Dr. REn claimed to be inadequate blood supply to the duodenum. It wasn't that this occured per se that had Deb upset (and who wouldn't be?) but that she had a legal contingency that the surgeon consult with an appointed person regarding any problems encountered in surgery. I guess Dr. Ren did not follow with this and just performed the BPD without questioning. I know of this happening with one other person on the list (different surgeon, though) and it could very well be a possible risk if the blood supply is cut off to the duodenum (this would result in post-op leakage and necrosis if ignored). I think the issue was more that Deb had set up legal precedents beforehand and was totally unaware that this could be a possible outcome. all the best, NOverr-Chin co-moderator, duodenal switch lap ds with gallbladder removal January 25, 2001 Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC almost 9 months post-op and still feelin' fabu preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45 now: 213 ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2001 Report Share Posted October 21, 2001 *note what is to follow is a personal opinion* I believe the reason that Dr. Ren wants to do the BPD and not the DS is because of her lawsuit. I think this is her way of proving that the BPD without the DS is favorable and I think that is why she is trying to put less importance on the pylorous. Like I said this is just an opinion based on what I have read on here. Lisbeth MsMystic1@... wrote: In a message dated 10/21/01 2:42:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, duodenalswitch writes: << Please don't make the assumption that she is exploring other avenues of WL relief because she CAN'T do DS, rather that not all morbidly obese people SHOULD have DS. This is only MHO Respectfully, Marcia >> I respectfully disagree with you or Dr. Ren or whoever says not all morbidly obese people should have DS. Why? I know there are those who want to suffer and choose RNY because of it. However, I also know there are thousands who don't even know about the DS and would choose it in a heartbeat if they KNEW about it. It sickens me that Dr. Ren waits for the " patient " to let her know that THEY know about DS instead of telling them about it, and will, instead, because the patient didn't know about DS, suggest some other procedure. Saying NOT ALL MORBIDLY OBESE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE DS is a complete and TOTAL COP OUT and BS besides. Carole ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2001 Report Share Posted October 21, 2001 , Thanks for the correction I dont know why I said pylorous. I meant duodenum. I think that the important thing about all of this is that we remember that as the patients its up to us to research and if we dont agree with our surgeons to find another surgeon. When I was researching the surgeries I found a doctor here in NYC who does a procedure that looks like a DS sounds like a DS but is not a DS! I figure if everyone is doing the same surgery and getting results why mess around with it. Now what I am going to say next I am know I am going to get majorly flamed for but here goes *deep breath* Doctors, Surgeons are not infalliable they make mistakes it just so happens that when they make a mistake there can be a horrible end results such as death... Dr. and Dr. Ren must have there reasons for not wanting to do the BPD/DS whatever they are we wont know until we hear the stories from each of them. Having said that, the members of this group and future members in this group are in a good position to decide for themselves what they want. They can choose to go with there surgeons and the surgeons procedure or go to another surgeon if possible and get the procedure they want. Lisbeth(hoping I didnt offend anyone) ruisha@... wrote: In a message dated 10/21/01 4:12:45 PM, duodenalswitch writes: << *note what is to follow is a personal opinion* I believe the reason that Dr. Ren wants to do the BPD and not the DS is because of her lawsuit. I think this is her way of proving that the BPD without the DS is favorable and I think that is why she is trying to put less importance on the pylorous. Like I said this is just an opinion based on what I have read on here. >> Hmmmmmm... Lisbeth -- you could very well be onto something here. This is a very valid point. For newbies and those who are wondering: The case you are referring to is Deb Mullins, who went for a DS but came out with a BPD due to what Dr. REn claimed to be inadequate blood supply to the duodenum. It wasn't that this occured per se that had Deb upset (and who wouldn't be?) but that she had a legal contingency that the surgeon consult with an appointed person regarding any problems encountered in surgery. I guess Dr. Ren did not follow with this and just performed the BPD without questioning. I know of this happening with one other person on the list (different surgeon, though) and it could very well be a possible risk if the blood supply is cut off to the duodenum (this would result in post-op leakage and necrosis if ignored). I think the issue was more that Deb had set up legal precedents beforehand and was totally unaware that this could be a possible outcome. all the best, NOverr-Chin co-moderator, duodenal switch lap ds with gallbladder removal January 25, 2001 Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC almost 9 months post-op and still feelin' fabu preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45 now: 213 ???? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 This isnt for anyone particular......but I think we are losing sight of whats really important. We all HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM! And we need to all stick together, no matter which surgery someone decides to have. And I dont think the people who have had the RNY done.......Like to dump.....no one likes to dump. So, I think that was a silly remark. I havent had my surgery yet......im waiting for a date. But I do know that Dumping......is a big no no.......and that it is NOT FUN. I personally hope I dont experience dumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Everyone is entitiled to their own opinions I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Bad for whom, Nick? Bad because the did the best they could at the time, or because their backs were against the wall to do SOMETHING? Anything? And maybe we all should know that there has got to be more out there, but we dont always. Hind sight being 20-20.. without other opinions there would not be horseraces, and pencils would not have erasers.. all you can do is your best with what you have and that's it.. for whatever reason, nutty or not, scared or not, malinformed or not, you can say what you want and that might or might not change a thing. And another thing.. just because one person chooses a particular path for themselves, does not mean it is wrong. Lots of people have made a less than perfect situation work for them, and like it or not, that's what counts. I dont think that there are many true 'ideal' things out there.. somehow we all have to be able to adapt in order to survive. Sue. > Hi Marcia - > > I guess you're right. In America, people have the right to be nutty and > make nutty choices. > > That doesn't mean that their choices are good, though, nor does it mean that > they are receiving the best possible surgery. > > Why, all of a sudden, are so many people championing people's rights to make > bad choices? No matter how much we defend that right, the choices are still > bad. > > Best, > > Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Darlin, I think we could rent ourselves out and heck....shop only at Sax! Laughing, Theresa Wait a damn second!!! > > Do you actually mean there are women who get paid for this??? > > shakes head and mutters to herself as she walks down the hall.... > > Grrrrrrrrrr, > Theresa > > It seems strange to me, but then there are men who > > pay women to dominate them, so we live in a strange world. > > > > Hull > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Huh? Nick Re: Ren Cop Out > Bad for whom, Nick? Bad because the did the best they could at the > time, or because their backs were against the wall to do SOMETHING? > Anything? And maybe we all should know that there has got to be more > out there, but we dont always. Hind sight being 20-20.. without other > opinions there would not be horseraces, and pencils would not have > erasers.. all you can do is your best with what you have and that's > it.. for whatever reason, nutty or not, scared or not, malinformed or > not, you can say what you want and that might or might not change a > thing. And another thing.. just because one person chooses a > particular path for themselves, does not mean it is wrong. Lots of > people have made a less than perfect situation work for them, and like > it or not, that's what counts. I dont think that there are many true > 'ideal' things out there.. somehow we all have to be able to adapt in > order to survive. > Sue. > > > > Hi Marcia - > > > > I guess you're right. In America, people have the right to be nutty > and > > make nutty choices. > > > > That doesn't mean that their choices are good, though, nor does it > mean that > > they are receiving the best possible surgery. > > > > Why, all of a sudden, are so many people championing people's rights > to make > > bad choices? No matter how much we defend that right, the choices > are still > > bad. > > > > Best, > > > > Nick > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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