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Wanting another baby and not getting one is hard. I know one of the reasons

that Patti's diagnosis hit us so hard was that we did try for 9 years to have a

child. This is one of those times when the answer has to be made by you and

your spouse. Research your options, find out what your comfortable with and

then go for it. If you have your heart set on the " old fashioned " :-) way of

conceiving, then relax. It will come (or it won't) in it's own due time and

purpose. I know it is hard to hear that...it was hard for me... You have one

thing going for you that I did not. You already have a child that you can

cherish and love. As hard as it is for us to hear, there are times when we have

to look at life and decide if we are going to waste away being wishful of what

we don't have, or are we going to take stock of our blessings and be happy with

what we've got.

Dawn mom of 4, 7 and under, the youngest wcf

ps This wasn't intended as the lecture that it looks like. Sometimes a straight

forward reply is the only kind I can give.

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My daughter and her husband also decided not to have any more

children after Abby was diagnosed with CF. I told them that they

would be hard pressed to have another baby as perfect as Abby. She

REALLY IS perfect. I love Abby's personality.

Gale

Grandme to Abby (almost 2 wcf)

> Wanting another baby and not getting one is hard. I know one of

the reasons that Patti's diagnosis hit us so hard was that we did try

for 9 years to have a child. This is one of those times when the

answer has to be made by you and your spouse. Research your options,

find out what your comfortable with and then go for it. If you have

your heart set on the " old fashioned " :-) way of conceiving, then

relax. It will come (or it won't) in it's own due time and purpose.

I know it is hard to hear that...it was hard for me... You have one

thing going for you that I did not. You already have a child that

you can cherish and love. As hard as it is for us to hear, there are

times when we have to look at life and decide if we are going to

waste away being wishful of what we don't have, or are we going to

take stock of our blessings and be happy with what we've got.

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> Dawn mom of 4, 7 and under, the youngest wcf

> ps This wasn't intended as the lecture that it looks like.

Sometimes a straight forward reply is the only kind I can give.

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Natalia,

You really need to meet our sweet and dear friend Tammy Baker, she is

tops. Tammy is 43 wcf, has 3 kids, right now she is under the

weather, but she is an inspiration to me. You really need to join

crataegus. There are more people in there over 25 wcf, we learn from

them, every day. This is all the information to join, I hope you do.

For more information: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crataegus/

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> > > Hi everyone!

> > > Did I offend anyone else by submitting my eBay address.  A few

> > people

> > > and I were talking about my ALTERNATIVE way of finding a career,

> > since

> > > I could not do architecture.  I am NOT advertising, or trying to

> > make a

> > > buck here.  I was just asked.  I am sorry if I did offend any

one

> > else.

> > > i am here for a very honorable reason. My CF..

> > >

> > > Natalia

> > > 24 w CF

> >

> >

> <image.tiff>

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> > -------------------------------------------

> > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO

WAY

> > be construed as medical advice.

> >

> > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

> > TREATMENTS.

> >

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> >

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Is Cratageuos a more " technical " site? I have not tried to join it,

because I thought that it would be " over my head " .

Gale

> > > > Hi everyone!

> > > > Did I offend anyone else by submitting my eBay address.  A few

> > > people

> > > > and I were talking about my ALTERNATIVE way of finding a

career,

> > > since

> > > > I could not do architecture.  I am NOT advertising, or trying

to

> > > make a

> > > > buck here.  I was just asked.  I am sorry if I did offend any

> one

> > > else.

> > > > i am here for a very honorable reason. My CF..

> > > >

> > > > Natalia

> > > > 24 w CF

> > >

> > >

> > <image.tiff>

> > >

> > >

> > > -------------------------------------------

> > > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN

NO

> WAY

> > > be construed as medical advice.

> > >

> > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS

OR

> > > TREATMENTS.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

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In the few months that I have known Tammy I can honestly say that she

would be humble and delighted. That's just Tammy. I will write to

her and let her know.

> > > > > Hi everyone!

> > > > > Did I offend anyone else by submitting my eBay address.  A

few

> > > > people

> > > > > and I were talking about my ALTERNATIVE way of finding a

career,

> > > > since

> > > > > I could not do architecture.  I am NOT advertising, or

trying to

> > > > make a

> > > > > buck here.  I was just asked.  I am sorry if I did offend

any

> > one

> > > > else.

> > > > > i am here for a very honorable reason. My CF..

> > > > >

> > > > > Natalia

> > > > > 24 w CF

> > > >

> > > >

> > > <image.tiff>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------------------------

> > > > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN

NO

> > WAY

> > > > be construed as medical advice.

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS

OR

> > > > TREATMENTS.

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Thanks!! You are sweet and I feel really lucky to have found this list

and you guys to talk to. To be honest with you, during the past few

months I have been lonely. Due to being sick I have changed my

life-style and this has lead to me losing some friends that I don't

party with anymore. But I have gained some friends too, like people

here, and new people in my life that understanad that I am struggling

with things right now. Physically and emotionally. I have been a

wreck for quite some time, and am now pulling my life together. But

many changes have been made. And I love this list, it gives me such a

great means to share and get some boost of spirits. Who knew strangers

on the internet could be so family-like after such a short time.

It's the coolest thing I think.

Natalia

On Thursday, December 4, 2003, at 11:21 PM, Palazola wrote:

> Natalia,

>

> We are all parents of children of CF.  Not only do I think you are

> very creative and a good artisan but you are also a business person. 

> On the other hand, had you not been a CF patient, I for one would

> have been highly offended.  I know where Sheila is coming from, I

> have been approached by vendors who take advantage of our situation

> and this list.  But, my dear, this is your livelihood and you should

> promote yourself through this list.  This is part of the support that

> we give and we get.  One of our members, Tucker, does the same

> thing and some of her proceeds do go to a noble cause, The Milan

> Foundation, her little girl's name is Milan and has CF.  She hopes

> one day have enough funding to help CF people in need.  For profit

> she does candles, she is also an artisan and a business woman. 

> Whenever I buy something from Amazon.com I go through her website

> milanfoundation.org so she can get the foundation gets credit. I hope

> to get something from your website, soon.

> Lots of love,

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> > Hi everyone!

> > Did I offend anyone else by submitting my eBay address.  A few

> people

> > and I were talking about my ALTERNATIVE way of finding a career,

> since

> > I could not do architecture.  I am NOT advertising, or trying to

> make a

> > buck here.  I was just asked.  I am sorry if I did offend any one

> else.

> > i am here for a very honorable reason. My CF..

> >

> > Natalia

> > 24 w CF

>

>

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> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

> TREATMENTS.

>

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Gale,

Sharktank is very technical not crataegus. Crataegus is a place to

learn about alternative medicine and what it has done to some of the

patients w/CF. I really like Crataegus and the people there.

> > > > > Hi everyone!

> > > > > Did I offend anyone else by submitting my eBay address.  A

few

> > > > people

> > > > > and I were talking about my ALTERNATIVE way of finding a

> career,

> > > > since

> > > > > I could not do architecture.  I am NOT advertising, or

trying

> to

> > > > make a

> > > > > buck here.  I was just asked.  I am sorry if I did offend

any

> > one

> > > > else.

> > > > > i am here for a very honorable reason. My CF..

> > > > >

> > > > > Natalia

> > > > > 24 w CF

> > > >

> > > >

> > > <image.tiff>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------------------------

> > > > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN

> NO

> > WAY

> > > > be construed as medical advice.

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS

> OR

> > > > TREATMENTS.

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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thanks Gale.

On Thursday, December 4, 2003, at 11:10 PM, danieleverettharris wrote:

> You did not offend me.  I am glad to see that you are making good use

> of your talent.  I checked your site out.  You have designed some

> really nice pieces. 

>

> Gale

>

>

> > Hi everyone!

> > Did I offend anyone else by submitting my eBay address.  A few

> people

> > and I were talking about my ALTERNATIVE way of finding a career,

> since

> > I could not do architecture.  I am NOT advertising, or trying to

> make a

> > buck here.  I was just asked.  I am sorry if I did offend any one

> else.

> > i am here for a very honorable reason. My CF..

> >

> > Natalia

> > 24 w CF

>

>

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> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

> TREATMENTS.

>

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Perfect, thanks.

I will join for sure. And I do want to meet Tammy. Let her know if

you contact her outside this list, that I really want to write with her.

Natalia

On Thursday, December 4, 2003, at 11:34 PM, Palazola wrote:

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> Natalia,

>

> You really need to meet our sweet and dear friend Tammy Baker, she is

> tops.  Tammy is 43 wcf, has 3 kids, right now she is under the

> weather, but she is an inspiration to me.  You really need to join

> crataegus.  There are more people in there over 25 wcf, we learn from

> them, every day.  This is all the information to join, I hope you do.

>

> For more information: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crataegus/

> Post message: crataegus

> Subscribe:  crataegus-subscribe

> Unsubscribe:  crataegus-unsubscribe

> List owner:  crataegus-owner

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> > > > Hi everyone!

> > > > Did I offend anyone else by submitting my eBay address.  A few

> > > people

> > > > and I were talking about my ALTERNATIVE way of finding a career,

> > > since

> > > > I could not do architecture.  I am NOT advertising, or trying to

> > > make a

> > > > buck here.  I was just asked.  I am sorry if I did offend any

> one

> > > else.

> > > > i am here for a very honorable reason. My CF..

> > > >

> > > > Natalia

> > > > 24 w CF

> > >

> > >

> > <image.tiff>

> > >

> > >

> > > -------------------------------------------

> > > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO

> WAY

> > > be construed as medical advice.

> > >

> > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

> > > TREATMENTS.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I'm in Ohio, Eastern Standard Time. It's 11:54pm here. I'll scan

the chanels for it. Thanks!

P.S. I found it!

Gale

> > > Just for your INFO, Lance Armstrong is on Letterman tonight, and

> > he's

> > > my hero.  I just read his two books, and they inspire!!!  Give

> > those

> > > books to your kids for the holidays this season, especially the

> > first

> > > one.  It's amazing and will make you want to fight CF.

> >

> >

> <image.tiff>

> >

> >

> > -------------------------------------------

> > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO

WAY

> > be construed as medical advice.

> >

> > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

> > TREATMENTS.

> >

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> >

> >

> >

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Where are you?? In Toronto its on at 11:30. It's on as we speak.

Lance will be on within the next 45 minutes.

On Thursday, December 4, 2003, at 11:40 PM, danieleverettharris wrote:

> What time is Letterman on?  I hope that I didn't already miss this

> show.

>

> Gale

>

>

> > Just for your INFO, Lance Armstrong is on Letterman tonight, and

> he's

> > my hero.  I just read his two books, and they inspire!!!  Give

> those

> > books to your kids for the holidays this season, especially the

> first

> > one.  It's amazing and will make you want to fight CF.

>

>

<image.tiff>

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>

> -------------------------------------------

> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

> TREATMENTS.

>

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Just out of curiosity Gale, do you have Dominion East Ohio Gas, Or

Colombia Gas?I sell natural gas and I always wonder if I had sold to

someone I knew up there before.I sell in Illinois now when The New

Jersey people have had enough of meLOL

Patty

> > > > Just for your INFO, Lance Armstrong is on Letterman tonight,

and

> > > he's

> > > > my hero.  I just read his two books, and they inspire!!! 

Give

> > > those

> > > > books to your kids for the holidays this season, especially

the

> > > first

> > > > one.  It's amazing and will make you want to fight CF.

> > >

> > >

> > <image.tiff>

> > >

> > >

> > > -------------------------------------------

> > > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN

NO

> WAY

> > > be construed as medical advice.

> > >

> > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS

OR

> > > TREATMENTS.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I " think " that we have Columbia Gas, but my husband takes care of

that so I don't know for sure.

Gale

> > > > > Just for your INFO, Lance Armstrong is on Letterman

tonight,

> and

> > > > he's

> > > > > my hero.  I just read his two books, and they inspire!!! 

> Give

> > > > those

> > > > > books to your kids for the holidays this season, especially

> the

> > > > first

> > > > > one.  It's amazing and will make you want to fight CF.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > <image.tiff>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------------------------

> > > > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN

> NO

> > WAY

> > > > be construed as medical advice.

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS

> OR

> > > > TREATMENTS.

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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crataegus is the more herbal, alternative medicine site; sharktank is the

research

site, but everyone seems to belong to both; at present both lists are more

or less

unmoderated: sharktank by choice, crataegus, because the moderator recently

lost her sun due to medically inappropriate treatment; I honestly do not

know

how one currently signs on to it--both are small lists, but very good.

n, sticking her computer in here!

Re: (unknown)

,

Is Cratageuos a more " technical " site? I have not tried to join it,

because I thought that it would be " over my head " .

Gale

> > > > Hi everyone!

> > > > Did I offend anyone else by submitting my eBay address. A few

> > > people

> > > > and I were talking about my ALTERNATIVE way of finding a

career,

> > > since

> > > > I could not do architecture. I am NOT advertising, or trying

to

> > > make a

> > > > buck here. I was just asked. I am sorry if I did offend any

> one

> > > else.

> > > > i am here for a very honorable reason. My CF..

> > > >

> > > > Natalia

> > > > 24 w CF

> > >

> > >

> > <image.tiff>

> > >

> > >

> > > -------------------------------------------

> > > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN

NO

> WAY

> > > be construed as medical advice.

> > >

> > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS

OR

> > > TREATMENTS.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Natalia,

We are very happy to have you join us. I too am a little lonely, I don't have a

lot of friends since I don't work and I don't really get out very much. So I

really enjoy this list along with another 2 cf support groups I am on. I myself

have fibromyalgia but I did not enjoy the internet support group for it that I

joined for a short while. Unlike this list the people all seemed depressed and

sorry for theirselves. I didn't like that.

love,

M

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Isn't it great! We are like a family. Each of us has bad times, cranky

times and happy times..........sometimes all at once!!! As long as we respect

each other we're ok............

Rosemary in NY with 3 children (13, 11 and 7)

with CF. I have a dog named TOBI and have

coined the phrase " BREATHE DAMMIT "

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Sorry, sent to wrong group.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/356/hoping for close to 200

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:54:20 -0600 loriowen@... writes:

> Robin,

> I was wondering if Judy ever brought over the basket of

> things

> for Dr Ritter's baby? If not, I can ask her to bring it next week.

> At

> least it would be there in time for Christmas.

> Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

> SRVG 7/16/01

> Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

> 479/356/hoping for close to 200

>

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  • 5 weeks later...

It sounds like you just read a page out of my life. Ninety-five percent of the

time I'm doing ok. I go about life on a normal routine of treatments and

medicines and basically accept that these are the cards we were delt, and with

God in control of our lives, he keeps us going. But we're not super-human, I'm

realizing every day I log on to this computer that there are so many other

people feeling the way I feel. I had " one of those days " just a little over a

month ago when they started my daughter on TOBI. I just felt like I couldn't

handle subjecting her (almost 3 years old) to another form of treatment. The

first day we gave her the TOBI, I dreaded her reaction. I prayed about it, and

thank God, she did ok. Fortunately, my daugher loves the Toy Story movies.

Currently, she wears a " Buzz Lightyear Vest " and a " Buzz Lightyear Helmet " .

Every time she's done, she yells " To inifinite and beyond! " Ironic, huh? I

hope she does go to inifinite and beyond throughout her life.

Let yourself have your down days, and just realize that tomorrows a new day.

You're in my thoughts.

Tracey, mom to Sydney almost 3 w/cf

(unknown)

Well, today is one of those days when my emotions have overtaken

me. My life is not one to complain about. I have a husband who

loves me, whom I dearly love, two wonderful children, two dogs, a

horse, a roof over my head and food in the fridge. Bills are paid,

the weather is beautiful, and here I sit in tears. Why? I don't

know. Of course I know, there is a monster in my house, in my life

and I do not like it. I want it to go away, but it won't. I try to

protect my daughter from the things that will harm her, but I cannot

protect her from this. Over the holidays we neglected her

treatments and now it is time to get back on track. I take for

granted the fact that she has made it half way through the flu

season without even a sniffle, so missing a treatment here or there

should be ok? I guess I am beating myself up that my baby has to go

through 3 hours of treatments a day. When is she allowed to have a

life? Well if you don't do the treatments, she won't have a life.

Great, that makes me feel better. She absolutely hates doing

treatments. Currently we are doing 28 days of Tobi, vest 20 minutes

x2 and pulmozyme 1x a day. I have tried everything, from being the

meanest Mom in the UNIVERSE, to bribery. Yes this is a small battle.

How do I explain to her that if she does not do these treatments she

will get very sick? It is very hard for me when the two of us are

struggling and negotiating treatments to not blurt out " if you

don't do them you could die! " But sometimes that is what I want to

say. That is my pain, my burden. I cannot tell her this because I am

afraid she will give up, not care, or rebel and " speed up " the

process( not now, but perhaps in her teenage years). Natalia's post

really touched me when she said that " she feels sad " , I don't want

my daughter to feel sad! I don't want her to be in the position of

where she has to fight for her life, and this just kills me. So I

come back to reality, I do not know what is going to happen next

week, next year, in 20 years, I have to get through today, and I

will think about tomorrow later. Today things are good, everyone is

happy and healthy.

I won't apologize for rambling, I just needed to throw this out

there. I know, I know, stay positive, don't let it get you down

etc... but, today it has gotten me down. Have you ever had a dream

where you are being chased and you cannot run away? Your feet move

like a cartoon character, yet you don't go anywhere? Today, I can't

get away. I could go to the beach, or sit out on my patio in the

warm sun, but then I would be alone with my thoughts and right now,

that is not a good place to be. I can't sit and watch tv, that just

drives me up the wall. My attention span is too short. Clean the

house, mop the floor.....yeah right. Ok, turn some " happy music " on

really loud and clean the house and mop the floors. Or better yet,

type to the group, throw my feelings out into cyberspace and know

that I am not alone. Someone, somewhere will know how this feels.

e, mom to 10 wcf and Ian 13 nocf

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be construed as medical advice.

PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS.

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We all have those days once in a while. I get them too. Especially when

is at school or something. Sometimes I can distract myself long enough to get

it together, sometimes I can't. I am sorry you are feeling down, but this is

the place to vent it. We all understand, and sometimes the hardest part is

finding someone who " gets " what you mean and can say, " I know exactly how you

feel right now "

Mom of 5 with CF and one on the way

(unknown)

Well, today is one of those days when my emotions have overtaken

me. My life is not one to complain about. I have a husband who

loves me, whom I dearly love, two wonderful children, two dogs, a

horse, a roof over my head and food in the fridge. Bills are paid,

the weather is beautiful, and here I sit in tears. Why? I don't

know. Of course I know, there is a monster in my house, in my life

and I do not like it. I want it to go away, but it won't. I try to

protect my daughter from the things that will harm her, but I cannot

protect her from this. Over the holidays we neglected her

treatments and now it is time to get back on track. I take for

granted the fact that she has made it half way through the flu

season without even a sniffle, so missing a treatment here or there

should be ok? I guess I am beating myself up that my baby has to go

through 3 hours of treatments a day. When is she allowed to have a

life? Well if you don't do the treatments, she won't have a life.

Great, that makes me feel better. She absolutely hates doing

treatments. Currently we are doing 28 days of Tobi, vest 20 minutes

x2 and pulmozyme 1x a day. I have tried everything, from being the

meanest Mom in the UNIVERSE, to bribery. Yes this is a small battle.

How do I explain to her that if she does not do these treatments she

will get very sick? It is very hard for me when the two of us are

struggling and negotiating treatments to not blurt out " if you

don't do them you could die! " But sometimes that is what I want to

say. That is my pain, my burden. I cannot tell her this because I am

afraid she will give up, not care, or rebel and " speed up " the

process( not now, but perhaps in her teenage years). Natalia's post

really touched me when she said that " she feels sad " , I don't want

my daughter to feel sad! I don't want her to be in the position of

where she has to fight for her life, and this just kills me. So I

come back to reality, I do not know what is going to happen next

week, next year, in 20 years, I have to get through today, and I

will think about tomorrow later. Today things are good, everyone is

happy and healthy.

I won't apologize for rambling, I just needed to throw this out

there. I know, I know, stay positive, don't let it get you down

etc... but, today it has gotten me down. Have you ever had a dream

where you are being chased and you cannot run away? Your feet move

like a cartoon character, yet you don't go anywhere? Today, I can't

get away. I could go to the beach, or sit out on my patio in the

warm sun, but then I would be alone with my thoughts and right now,

that is not a good place to be. I can't sit and watch tv, that just

drives me up the wall. My attention span is too short. Clean the

house, mop the floor.....yeah right. Ok, turn some " happy music " on

really loud and clean the house and mop the floors. Or better yet,

type to the group, throw my feelings out into cyberspace and know

that I am not alone. Someone, somewhere will know how this feels.

e, mom to 10 wcf and Ian 13 nocf

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i have those days to i call them my bad cf days i have not had one in a

while but the past few days i have i thought maybe it was all the holiday

hoopla got to me but then anna got sick and we had a night in the hopital

and we are waiting for the test results to see if she has Phksudonomis ( i

can never spell that one right !!) but the waiting is killing me she is only

two and i wish she could just tell me what is wring when she is sick

michelle

mom to 4 girls caitlin 8 n/cf erin 7 n/cf

moira 3 n/cf and anna 2w/cf (unknown)

>

>

> Well, today is one of those days when my emotions have overtaken

> me. My life is not one to complain about. I have a husband who

> loves me, whom I dearly love, two wonderful children, two dogs, a

> horse, a roof over my head and food in the fridge. Bills are paid,

> the weather is beautiful, and here I sit in tears. Why? I don't

> know. Of course I know, there is a monster in my house, in my life

> and I do not like it. I want it to go away, but it won't. I try to

> protect my daughter from the things that will harm her, but I cannot

> protect her from this. Over the holidays we neglected her

> treatments and now it is time to get back on track. I take for

> granted the fact that she has made it half way through the flu

> season without even a sniffle, so missing a treatment here or there

> should be ok? I guess I am beating myself up that my baby has to go

> through 3 hours of treatments a day. When is she allowed to have a

> life? Well if you don't do the treatments, she won't have a life.

> Great, that makes me feel better. She absolutely hates doing

> treatments. Currently we are doing 28 days of Tobi, vest 20 minutes

> x2 and pulmozyme 1x a day. I have tried everything, from being the

> meanest Mom in the UNIVERSE, to bribery. Yes this is a small battle.

> How do I explain to her that if she does not do these treatments she

> will get very sick? It is very hard for me when the two of us are

> struggling and negotiating treatments to not blurt out " if you

> don't do them you could die! " But sometimes that is what I want to

> say. That is my pain, my burden. I cannot tell her this because I am

> afraid she will give up, not care, or rebel and " speed up " the

> process( not now, but perhaps in her teenage years). Natalia's post

> really touched me when she said that " she feels sad " , I don't want

> my daughter to feel sad! I don't want her to be in the position of

> where she has to fight for her life, and this just kills me. So I

> come back to reality, I do not know what is going to happen next

> week, next year, in 20 years, I have to get through today, and I

> will think about tomorrow later. Today things are good, everyone is

> happy and healthy.

> I won't apologize for rambling, I just needed to throw this out

> there. I know, I know, stay positive, don't let it get you down

> etc... but, today it has gotten me down. Have you ever had a dream

> where you are being chased and you cannot run away? Your feet move

> like a cartoon character, yet you don't go anywhere? Today, I can't

> get away. I could go to the beach, or sit out on my patio in the

> warm sun, but then I would be alone with my thoughts and right now,

> that is not a good place to be. I can't sit and watch tv, that just

> drives me up the wall. My attention span is too short. Clean the

> house, mop the floor.....yeah right. Ok, turn some " happy music " on

> really loud and clean the house and mop the floors. Or better yet,

> type to the group, throw my feelings out into cyberspace and know

> that I am not alone. Someone, somewhere will know how this feels.

>

>

> e, mom to 10 wcf and Ian 13 nocf

>

>

>

>

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> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

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In a message dated 1/8/2004 2:11:00 PM Central Standard Time,

kristine.patrick@... writes:

e

Have you every told you daughter that they will put her in the hospital

instead of having to tell her the alternative? My oldest just hates hates

staying

in the hospital so I always use that as a threat. Hope this helps Deb A

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Therapy....which could be just someone to talk to who isn't related or a

friend. A neutral party is sometimes better to dump on then someone you

know. Should medication be called for, realize that it is exactly

that...medication. If you are diabetic you wouldn't deny yourself insulin

would you? Another thought? Can you look for a new job? (ok...this coming

from a woman who's husband has been unemployed for a year)...Taking care of

yourself will help you take care of others.

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

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From: gwh12000

I had open RNY 2 1/2 years ago and am at my desired weight lost 160.

I am recently under a lot of stress My wife has become mentally ill my job

is hell and a 17 year old daughter I find I have lost my copeing mechanizum

(eating). I was copeing with activity staying constantly buisy to keep from

eating but I am exhausted and have to slow down. I find myself getting more

and more out of control. Has anyone experienced this and do you have any

suggestions for dealing with it. Thanks

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What an awful lot of stress! I'm so very sorry to hear it. I

remember when I'd lost almost 100 lbs at the Duke University Rice

Diet, Dr. Kempner (who started that program) said, " I hope you don't

have any major life problems over the next couple of years - " - he

felt that if did, the stress would trigger the eating issues again,

and I can see why he thought that.

Do you find yourself eating too many carbs? That can set off

overeating in me so fast. It may be that going high protein for a

while will help with the cravings - it may also help with some of

the stress of trying to figure out what to eat. When I'm in a

stressful situation, I'll make me a crockpot chuck roast, and just

eat on that for a few days. I don't try to limit what I eat (other

than what my pouch limits). And I still try to get in all my

liquids.

Pam in Niceville

Florida

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I had open RNY 2 1/2 years ago and am at my desired weight lost 160.

I am recently under a lot of stress My wife has become mentally ill

my job is hell and a 17 year old daughter I find I have lost my

copeing mechanizum (eating). I was copeing with activity staying

constantly buisy to keep from eating but I am exhausted and have to

slow down. I find myself getting more and more out of control. Has

anyone experienced this and do you have any suggestions for dealing

with it. Thanks

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Possibly therapy would help. I have found that when under a lot of

stress it is best to have someone to talk to even if it is my pastor.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/356/hoping for close to 200

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> I had open RNY 2 1/2 years ago and am at my desired weight lost 160.

>

> I am recently under a lot of stress My wife has become mentally ill

>

> my job is hell and a 17 year old daughter I find I have lost my

> copeing mechanizum (eating). I was copeing with activity staying

> constantly buisy to keep from eating but I am exhausted and have to

>

> slow down. I find myself getting more and more out of control. Has

> anyone experienced this and do you have any suggestions for dealing

>

> with it. Thanks

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Hear Hear...

I'm 2.75 years out and 25 pounds up from goal (30 up from lowest). I am

giving myself till my anniversary date to get at least 20 of these suckers

off.

It took me about 2 years for the carb monster to find me again... Slowly,

little things. Reasonable amounts of little things... Then not so

reasonable amounts, then not so little things and BAM!

So, I'm not picking on you and there's nothing at all wrong with treating

yourself, just pay attention to how you react to the food and how you feel

and all that good stuff ;)

Nothing tastes as good as " Goal " feels!

http://www.eradain.com/apoplexy

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Beware of complacency...re: the carbs. You are only 18 mos out...and it

will bite you in the backside when you least expect it. I never went the

carbs route, and still regained 30 lbs that I cannot take off. Thankfully,

I was way below chart weight. Remember the 2 year wall....it is lurking out

there. For me..it was the three year wall...and I think it was three years

only because I do mostly protein shakes, water and vitamins!

Regards~

Jacque

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