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Pre-op I have only told family and friends closest to me. I told no

one at work. I will when I return. I just didn't want the added

stress of everyone's opinions dragging me down emotionally when I was

having surgery.

I have no qualms about telling people now--esp. those who could

benefit from the information. The stuck up skinny people I'm not

sure about yet--I would love to pass myself off as this wonderfully

strong person who did this on my own--but after going through this

surgery--esp. going to SPain--I realise more and more what an

incredibly brave and courageous thing I did. Beleive me, surgery is

no picnic and not easy.

But some people in my life---IMHO---I just don't think it is thier

business, and I will just leave them to wonder in amazement!!

Pammi

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So Far I have only told my mother and one of my sisters and two friends!!! I

refuse to tell anyone else at this point....As I have been losing weight now all

I hear from people is: " Maybe you should eat less and excersize more " At work I

hear fat jokes and fat people have no self control and are undisciplined enough

times to know that they would have never been supportive of the surgery...Hell I

am sure that someone would have probably thought that the surgery was a cosmetic

procedure. My neighbors who have been very lucky up until recently used to eat

with utter abandon and I mean there portions and food choices would make a

hungry lumberjack look petite would often look at my smaller portions and laugh

because I would eat so little and still gain weight...I guess time has caught up

to them because now all they do is talk about dieting as spiteful and mean as

they were I just sit and eat and lose as they diet and are miserable life has a

funny way of getting even....

Now as far as telling someone I dont know about the surgery someone who would

benefit from it I would totally be honest. But the people in my life no

way....The second I told them about the surgery if I burped wrong tomorrow they

would pull a Sue Widemark and say I was dying because of the surgery.....I am

enjoying my life to much to deal with the drama of the ignorant!

Lisbeth (thats my story and I am sticking with it)

Nick wrote: If people are possibly in need of surgery

themselves and ask you how you are

going about losing weight, it is a bit unfair to tell them that it is

because you are eating carefully and exercising.

I can tell you this from experience. I have a friend who I had not seen in

some time who lost a bunch of weight and kept it off. I asked her and got

the same answer that many of us give about the diet and exercise. I was

disappointed because I wanted to know about her experience and I know durn

good and well that she had surgery.

I am really unclear as to why so many people have a hard time talking to

others about their surgery. I talk about it to anyone who is interested. I

haven't been shunned, stoned, or discriminated against in any way.

Best -

Nick in Sage

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When I wrote my original post on this it was directed toward honestly

answering questions of others. I would extend that to discussing surgery

with those who might find a benefit from the DS.

I wouldn't suggest discussing it with " just anyone " at any time, much less

when you are a pre-op and don't know how others will react - not that it

made much difference in my life as before my surgery, my wife discussed it

in detail with everyone she met.

At any rate, the idiots who live in a world of information free opinion

formation are hardly worthy of our note.

Best-

Nick in Sage

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> So Far I have only told my mother and one of my sisters and two friends!!!

I refuse to tell anyone else at this point....As I have been losing weight

now all I hear from people is: " Maybe you should eat less and excersize

more " At work I hear fat jokes and fat people have no self control and are

undisciplined enough times to know that they would have never been

supportive of the surgery...Hell I am sure that someone would have probably

thought that the surgery was a cosmetic procedure. My neighbors who have

been very lucky up until recently used to eat with utter abandon and I mean

there portions and food choices would make a hungry lumberjack look petite

would often look at my smaller portions and laugh because I would eat so

little and still gain weight...I guess time has caught up to them because

now all they do is talk about dieting as spiteful and mean as they were I

just sit and eat and lose as they diet and are miserable life has a funny

way of getting even....

> Now as far as telling someone I dont know about the surgery someone who

would benefit from it I would totally be honest. But the people in my life

no way....The second I told them about the surgery if I burped wrong

tomorrow they would pull a Sue Widemark and say I was dying because of the

surgery.....I am enjoying my life to much to deal with the drama of the

ignorant!

> Lisbeth (thats my story and I am sticking with it)

>

> Nick wrote: If people are possibly in need of surgery

themselves and ask you how you are

> going about losing weight, it is a bit unfair to tell them that it is

> because you are eating carefully and exercising.

>

> I can tell you this from experience. I have a friend who I had not seen in

> some time who lost a bunch of weight and kept it off. I asked her and got

> the same answer that many of us give about the diet and exercise. I was

> disappointed because I wanted to know about her experience and I know durn

> good and well that she had surgery.

>

> I am really unclear as to why so many people have a hard time talking to

> others about their surgery. I talk about it to anyone who is interested. I

> haven't been shunned, stoned, or discriminated against in any way.

>

> Best -

>

> Nick in Sage

>

>

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Nick,

In that case we are in agreement!

Lisbeth

At any rate, the idiots who live in a world of information free opinion

formation are hardly worthy of our note.

Best-

Nick in Sage

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>

> So Far I have only told my mother and one of my sisters and two friends!!!

I refuse to tell anyone else at this point....As I have been losing weight

now all I hear from people is: " Maybe you should eat less and excersize

more " At work I hear fat jokes and fat people have no self control and are

undisciplined enough times to know that they would have never been

supportive of the surgery...Hell I am sure that someone would have probably

thought that the surgery was a cosmetic procedure. My neighbors who have

been very lucky up until recently used to eat with utter abandon and I mean

there portions and food choices would make a hungry lumberjack look petite

would often look at my smaller portions and laugh because I would eat so

little and still gain weight...I guess time has caught up to them because

now all they do is talk about dieting as spiteful and mean as they were I

just sit and eat and lose as they diet and are miserable life has a funny

way of getting even....

> Now as far as telling someone I dont know about the surgery someone who

would benefit from it I would totally be honest. But the people in my life

no way....The second I told them about the surgery if I burped wrong

tomorrow they would pull a Sue Widemark and say I was dying because of the

surgery.....I am enjoying my life to much to deal with the drama of the

ignorant!

> Lisbeth (thats my story and I am sticking with it)

>

> Nick wrote: If people are possibly in need of surgery

themselves and ask you how you are

> going about losing weight, it is a bit unfair to tell them that it is

> because you are eating carefully and exercising.

>

> I can tell you this from experience. I have a friend who I had not seen in

> some time who lost a bunch of weight and kept it off. I asked her and got

> the same answer that many of us give about the diet and exercise. I was

> disappointed because I wanted to know about her experience and I know durn

> good and well that she had surgery.

>

> I am really unclear as to why so many people have a hard time talking to

> others about their surgery. I talk about it to anyone who is interested. I

> haven't been shunned, stoned, or discriminated against in any way.

>

> Best -

>

> Nick in Sage

>

>

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I think it's a personal decision and each of us might have

reasons why we would or wouldn't tell. I am keeping it to

myself until after surgery. Then I'm not sure who I will and

won't tell but I will have my own legitimate reasons.

I would immediately tell another obese person, I would

probably leap onto them and scare them half to death with my

enthusiasm, wanting to share something that could change

their miserable lives. But there are others whose scorn I've

had enough of and I don't need to hear any more of their

opinions. I don't think I'll be very grateful when they tell

me how great I look because their friendship accounts are

way overdrawn after years of their eagle eyes watching what

I put on my plate or their little remarks meant to be

lighthearted attempts to get me to stop being lazy and weak

and do something about my weight. ptooey! :)

Jean.

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> If people are possibly in need of surgery themselves and

ask you how you are

> going about losing weight, it is a bit unfair to tell them

that it is

> because you are eating carefully and exercising.

>

> I can tell you this from experience. I have a friend who

I had not seen in

> some time who lost a bunch of weight and kept it off. I

asked her and got

> the same answer that many of us give about the diet and

exercise. I was

> disappointed because I wanted to know about her experience

and I know durn

> good and well that she had surgery.

>

> I am really unclear as to why so many people have a hard

time talking to

> others about their surgery. I talk about it to anyone who

is interested. I

> haven't been shunned, stoned, or discriminated against in

any way.

>

> Best -

>

> Nick in Sage

>

>

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In a message dated 11/1/01 8:32:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,

steve-goldstein@... writes:

> Maybe it's because you and I are males over 60. We just don't give a

> damn what people think about what we do with out lives. But,

> younger, more sensitive people might worry.

>

>

Well I'm only 37 but I'm very proud of myself..I took a very unhealthy,

unhappy person and gave her a life again. I have good things happening in my

life, things I wouldn't have right now if I'd not had surgery. I am grateful

the surgery is available. I also have never told anyone anything but exactly

what I've done. I don't care how they are towards me...I guess my pleasure

is when its someone that is slightly overweight and who treated me like I

didn't exist, now talks to me and I tell them...they don't have the option of

surgery and so they are stuck battling the weight and I am moving along

nicely. Who cares what anyone else thinks. I'm the one living with my

choice not them....and in the end...I'll be healthy with out a weight

problem...something many of them cant say. In my situation, I've been amazed

at how people react for the most part...I've had few not be impressed or

interested in what I did...in fact many are watching me to see if they want

to do this.

I guess the bottom line is I don't care what anyone thinks of my choice, but

I'm not going to not say what I did...the world on a whole needs to be more

tolerant and understanding about weight and I feel its my little contribution

to helping more people be more accepting.

~*~ AJ ~*~

Bellingham, WA

Age 37 5'8'' Open DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs! -50.0 inches

10/29/01 BMI 51.8 341.5 -73.6 lbs! -58.0 inches

My profile:

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

My website:

www.wls4aj.homestead.com

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In a message dated 11/1/01 5:00:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, xjx@...

writes:

> But there are others whose scorn I've

> had enough of and I don't need to hear any more of their

> opinions. I don't think I'll be very grateful when they tell

> me how great I look because their friendship accounts are

> way overdrawn after years of their eagle eyes watching what

> I put on my plate or their little remarks meant to be

> lighthearted attempts to get me to stop being lazy and weak

> and do something about my weight. ptooey! :)

>

>

The people that aren't nice to you preop, and I had many around me, will

become SO UNIMPORTANT (at least in my experience). I no longer care what

they think and I felt I would be hard pressed to be nice....but I'm

not...BECAUSE I'm a better person and don't treat people the way they do.

I've found I'm no longer intimidated by those people and at least in my mind

I no longer need to worry or care what they say or think. THEY ARE NOT WORTH

MY TIME OR ENERGY!!!! I have more important things to take care of in

life...like living my life, loving my friends and family and being happy!!!!

~*~ AJ ~*~

Bellingham, WA

Age 37 5'8'' Open DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs! -50.0 inches

10/29/01 BMI 51.8 341.5 -73.6 lbs! -58.0 inches

My profile:

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

My website:

www.wls4aj.homestead.com

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Well, I have really been thinking about why I don't want to tell

anyone outside of my family about the surgery, and what

overwhelmingly comes up for me is shame. What a horrible conclusion,

but part of me feels that I should have been able to beat this

myself, and that I am embarassed to even acknowledge my weight

problem. I suppose I wouldn't share a hemmerhoidectomy either,

laughing....although I have shared worse.

I don't like that I feel shame. It seems to be more of my

flagellation about my weaknesses. I am gonna work on that one, and

thank you Nick, for making me take a look at that!

Hugs, as always,

Theresa

> >...

> >I am really unclear as to why so many people have a hard time

talking to

> >others about their surgery. I talk about it to anyone who is

interested. I

> >haven't been shunned, stoned, or discriminated against in any way.

>

>

> Nick,

>

> Maybe it's because you and I are males over 60. We just don't give

a

> damn what people think about what we do with out lives. But,

> younger, more sensitive people might worry.

>

> --Steve

> --

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I have told my immediate family, but I have not told anyone else

yet. If there were actually MO people in my extended family, I would

probably tell them when I was post-op (I do NOT want to hear anyone's

surgery horror stories when I'm pre-op). I am meeting with my team

on Monday to let them know I will be on medical leave because I need

to have surgery to improve my health. When I come back to work,

there are many MO in my company that I hope ask me how I am losing

weight and I will tell them and point them to the DS website so they

can find information for themselves. As for skinny people, I won't

lie, but I don't know if I will answer the question. I'm not ashamed,

but it's not information I would just give out, like if random people

came up to me and asked me who I was dating, I would tell them it's

not really any of their business (but in a polite way! *grins*). Not

that it's secret information (and not that I'm dating anyone at the

moment), but why would they need to know ? Now, if they said their

Mother, Brother, Sister, Best Friend was overweight and they were

hoping I knew something that would help them, that's a different

issue and I would tell them, but I don't share my life for

curiousity's sake, you know ?

Anita

Surgery Date 11/08/01

Dr Keshishian

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I think you have something there, Nick. And I have seen many others

write about telling to help change the climate of opinion about WLS.

I have told almsot no one other than family. I recently changed jobs

and the new people never knew me as a 300 pounder, so they have no

clue as to the profound transformation I have had.

People did ask.. and I just evaded the question. I think this is my

style in the workplace not to talk about myself personally. I recall

in the 1970s two of my young daughters joined me in the cafeteria of

the university where I worked. I introduced them to coowrker who

worked near me and had coffee with me several times a month. He was

shocked to know I had children! And I adore them and am very proud

of them. I just do not talk about myself at work. And in my type of

work that makes a lot of sense.

But I know that it is also that I have no energy to argue the merits

of WLS with the disbelievers. I have confided in a couple of MO

folks who wanted to know what I had done. But I lost over 100# and

really told no one what happened. I was gone from work a short time

and really no one even asked. Psychiatry is like that.

My daughter who is far more closed mouthed than me has started

telling folks about her DS. And I am watching her and thinking about

doing this in the future. I know it is the politically correct thing

to do.. but wow.. it is so unlike me.

/Seattle

> If people are possibly in need of surgery themselves and ask you

how you are

> going about losing weight, it is a bit unfair to tell them that it

is

> because you are eating carefully and exercising.

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Good for you, .. nice to have that support, isn't it.

/Seattle

> Nick,

>

> I have to agree with you. If anyone is interested enough to ask

how I lost

> the weight, I am more than willing to tell them. I am very happy

with my

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> Maybe it's because you and I are males over 60. We just don't give

a

> damn what people think about what we do with out lives. But,

> younger, more sensitive people might worry.

>

> --Steve

Yeah, I'm one of those more younger sensitive types. LOL

It's not always about what *they* may think, Steve. It can also be

about how much self disclosure we are comfortable with even when the

listener may applaud us on.

/Seattle/old

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Maybe it's a guy thing. Caring about other's opinion of how the body

looks is primarily (not exclusively) a female task in the society.

But then there are the vain males hogging the mirrors.

/Seattle

> > Maybe it's because you and I are males over 60.

>

Mike thinks the same

> way......

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