Re: New to SCD................bifidus and VSL#3

[Guest guest]

Elaine Gottscahall said herself that she wasn't sure about bifidus so she erred

on the side of caution and said it was illegal. There are different views but my

view and indeed a lot of doctors that probiotics and bifidus are good for us.

After all they live in a healthy perosn's gut. Indeed many docotors now think

that IBD is caused by a compromised gut flora so taking anything to restore the

proper gut flora is a good thing. VSL#3 is the most potent probiotic on the

market at 450 billion per capsule.

Steve

SCD - 5mths

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> > never heard of vsl#3..........how did you find out it was illegal?

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> It seems to be recommended by a lot of different doctors/people, but

> it has bifidus in it (I think?) which isn't SCD legal.

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> Peace =)

> Alyssa 16 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day

> Prednisone 30 mg 1x per day

>

[Guest guest]

At 3 billion/ml, SCD yogurt is a good one too! And legal...

PJ

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> > > never heard of vsl#3..........how did you find out it was illegal?

> >

> >

> > It seems to be recommended by a lot of different doctors/people, but

> > it has bifidus in it (I think?) which isn't SCD legal.

> >

> > Peace =)

> > Alyssa 16 yo

> > UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> > SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> > Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day

> > Prednisone 30 mg 1x per day

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mara - thanks for your reply, very interesting. How do you know that Bifidus

causes serious overgrowth?

I am not extolling the virtues of VSL#3, far from it in fact. Many people take

all sorts of probiotics and get varying results. The difficulty is finding the

one that suits you and that is so hard as their are many, many strains.

Some people are deficient in Bifidus (me for one having had a stool test). I

have just read a research paper that argues that people who have IBD and other

gut problems are likely to be deficient in bifidus.

Of course every one is different and indeed a lot of people on SCD cannot

tolerate yogurt which is one of the staple things of the diet.

This is an SCD site and I accept that we must follow the 'rules' of the diet but

I was merley pointing out that even Elaine herself wasn't sure about Bifidus and

things might have moved on since then.

We moan about doctors who have their head stuck in the sand so perhaps we should

not be guilty of doing the same thing.

There was a lot of talk here about having tinned tomatoes recently and I believe

that the people involved decided that certain tinned tomaotes were ok which

seems reasonable to me. However BTVC says that tinned tomatoes are illegal,

surely it is only right that we move forward in our thinking.

I know that Marilyn is against Bifidus and of course she is certainly entitled

to her opinion but please correct me if I am wrong but doesn't Marilyn have IBS

as opposed to IBD? It may well be that Marilyn has SIBO. I am sure Marilyn will

now join in here.

So Mara, thanks for your well meaning advice but I hope you would agree that

certain things are not black and white and even Elaine had her doubts about

whether Bifidus was illegal.

Regards

Steve

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> >>> never heard of vsl#3..........how did you find out it was illegal?

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> >> It seems to be recommended by a lot of different doctors/people, but

> >> it has bifidus in it (I think?) which isn't SCD legal.

> >>

> >> Peace =)

> >> Alyssa 16 yo

> >> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> >> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> >> Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day

> >> Prednisone 30 mg 1x per day

> >>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I tried many things before taking an SCD illegal (VSL3), which I was aware

of. I tried the Acidopholis from Lucy's Kitchen and that didn't do anything for

me. I tried a few Tier 1 drugs (except steroids) and those nearly put me in my

death bed. And by my own choice, I do not want to take prednisone or any other

" heavy duty " drugs. SCD has made life manageable, but it has not solely healed

me. I think I am one of the people that fits into that small percentage where

SCD does not work 100%. SCD is certainly a healthier and smarter way to eat,

which I do, but I needed something more, just like those who take meds. For

weeks I ate just homemade chicken broth and plain meat/poultry with no

improvements. So for me personally, a combination of VSL3 and SCD is a good

combination. And it sounds like many people do a combo of SCD & meds, so I

stand behind whatever works.

All that being said, I agree, that if someone inquires about an SCD illegal, it

should be discussed but should be noted as an illegal. Healthy discussions get

us all researching and learning more! I think there were some valid points that

Steve brought up and there are a variety of probiotics that exist that are still

" food for thought " (pun intended).

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> >I will echo what everyone says regardless of

> >legal vs. illegal, we all know our own bodies

> >and what works for one may not for another and

> >vice versa. I respect and eat SCD but stay open to what helps me.

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> >I appreciate the open discussions about things

> >that are posted on this board and continue to learn new things from it.

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> I don't have a problem with reasonable

> discussions. I do have a problem with someone who

> asks about an illegal product and is told, " Great

> stuff... go right ahead! It's the strongest probiotic on the market! "

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> Strong is not necessarily better.

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> As for your intolerance of yogurt, yes, some

> people have difficulty with dairy products that

> way. So a probiotic capsule may be what's needed.

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> Just for curiosity's sake, did you try any of the

> LEGAL probiotics before going to the illegal

> VSL#3? And are you aware that VSL#3 contains

> illegals in addition to the non-permitted bacteria which could be a problem?

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

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