Re: knowledge of surgeries

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In a message dated 10/22/01 8:23:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

duodenalswitch writes:

<< Marcia,

What I think everyone is saying (as if I could be nominated spokes person

for anyone here) is that it seems a bit unethical (dont know if its the

right word) for Dr. Ren to substitute the DS for the BPD and somehow give

the impression that they have comprable results when they dont! If they did

the BPD would have never evolved to the BPD/DS Or maybe I am just

misunderstanding what everyone else is saying....

Lisbeth

Marty Kanter wrote: Carole,

Respectfully, you are not understanding what I, and others, have been

saying. Although Ren has her reservations about the DS, when people have

told her that was the only procedure they wanted, she has done it, and well.

(And please don't bring up Deb; until ALL facts have been made public, let's

not hang Ren until she's been PROVED guilty. Even the great Gagner has lost

patients and hasn't been bashed the way that Ren has). I can only speak from

my experience and those of her patients I've spoken with.

Marcia >>

Lisbeth - you got it right!

Marty and others - please realize that not everyone in the United States has

access to the internet. Some people just show up at the surgeon's office for

wls and they don't know enough about the different procedures, nor have they

done research and become educated.

That is no reason for them to be shorted from a surgery that is better

because the surgeon has decided to do something else.

The way I am seeing this is, you and others who defend Ren and

think it is up to the patient to know what they want, and if they don't,

thats ok for the surgeon to mis-inform them. Because by saying the BPD is

better than the BPD/DS, in my opinion, that is exactly what Ren and

are doing.

We should all thank the universe that we KNOW about this stuff and not knock

others who haven't been as lucky as we have been.

By the way, Dr. Hess and Dr. Oakley both stated unequivocally that the BPD/DS

is the best surgery. They explain all surgeries available and then state

" and this is what WE do here in Bowling Green, because we feel it is the

best " and they explain why they feel it is the best and why the BPD/DS is

better than the BPD. They only do ONE surgery there, unless of course, some

complication might cause them to change it (and I am just guessing on that

one, no one said that to me).

Carole