Re: Decisions: BPD/DS vs RNY

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In a message dated 10/29/2001 7:01:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,

fe_lyne@... writes:

> So I'm trying to decide which surgery would be best for

> me. I'm leaning towards the RNY because I have an incredible sweet

> tooth...dumping would be a good incentive to permanently modify my

> diet and behave myself (essential for maintaining weightloss long

> term).

I think you're going the wrong way on this. Dumping is not going to cure the

sweet tooth...just punish you for wanting something. Dumping is also not

guaranteed...I have many friends that have never dumped no matter what they

eat. They also lose that dumping after awhile..so you can't use that as a

way to control a habit. You need to look at Quality of life, and what you

want in the future.

I chose the DS because it left my stomach working normally, I could eat a

normal portion, and most importantly, the weight regain down the road is

nothing compared to the RNY.

Make sure you really understand each of the surgeries, what and why they are

offered, what the future holds etc.

Good luck

~*~ AJ ~*~

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Loree, I think since you are on a DS support group, more than likely you will

get a lot of the same answers. I can tell you why I chose the DS over the RNY:

I liked the idea of being able to eat normally. I can honestly say I was a

little worried about the sweets too, but wasn't into being punished for

having them. I can still have a small piece of cake, but can't eat half of

it, or mow down 3 candy bars. I will get sick if I eat too much - usually

after a couple of bites I'm satisfied anyway.

I have friends and have read about people who have had the RNY who have not

EVER got to their goal, and lost dumping after about 6 months out. All of my

RNY friends vomit on a daily basis.

Long term Loss: All of the material I have read between the two surgeries

indicates that the DS produces long term results and maximum weight loss.

There was NO WAY I was going under the knife without the best odds of keeping

the weight off.

I'm sure that you will do what is best for you. The best thing I can say is

to do all the research you can, and try to get all the feedback from others

that have had surgery. Find out how many RNYers have tried to get a revision

to DS. I think both surgeries work, it just depends how YOU want to spend the

rest of your life! Good luck with your decision.

Kim

Dr. Anthone USC

DGB/DS open 4/18/01

-131 lbs in 6 months!

[Guest guest]

Lorree: Think about yourself... has masochism ever been an effective

treatment? I personally would never do something like give myself the

dumping syndrome on purpose.

But, more to the point, the DS is a far better and more effective weight

loss tool.

Check out the data....

http://www.growley.com/mywls/appeal/research-appeal.html

Good luck! ...... Elle **

Decisions: BPD/DS vs RNY

> I have an appt today with a surgeon who does both lap RNY

> and BPD/DS. So I'm trying to decide which surgery would be best for me.

I'm leaning towards the RNY because I have an incredible sweet

tooth...dumping would be a good incentive to permanently modify my diet and

behave myself (essential for maintaining weightloss long term).

Lorree

[Guest guest]

Hi Lorree, welcome! This really is a wonderful list.

You're asking us for our opinions on which surgery is

" best " - the RNY or DS - since this is the DS list

you're probably going to be overwhelmed with " DS is

best " emails. And, in my opinion, DS **is** best.

It's not just a matter of dumping on the RNY. Please

go to the file section and look for Hull's

files. I believe he has at least one on the

difference between the two surgeries.

There are many reasons why I prefer the DS but I'll

list only a few here. I'm sure you'll hear from

others here too.

First of all, I am finished " punishing " myself. I've

been punishing myself for so many years already. I

refuse to continue. I don't want to " dump " because

I've been a bad girl and had sweets. I want a new

eating lifestyle for life that doesn't limit me as to

the types of food eaten. Remember, with the DS, you

don't absorb all of your food. Yes, you do absorb

your sweets, I agree. But, for me, I think I'm going

to be so happy at losing the poundage that I won't

want to sabatoge (sp?)it. Also, many people here say

they don't WANT sweets any longer post-op. And these

are people who LOVED their sweets.

I almost forgot to mention that some RNYers actually

CAN eat sweets without dumping. Dumping is not

guaranteed.

Also, the chance of re-gain is much higher with a RNY.

Personally, I don't want to go through surgery,

recovery, etc. and then gain the weight back 5 years

later.

To be honest, for me, the only " plus " for the RNY is

that so many insurance companies won't cover the DS so

the RNY is the next best thing to doing nothing.

Good luck with whatever you choose. In the end, you

do have to go with what YOU want. I'd ask, though,

that you really study the two types of surgery before

making your final decision.

dee

p.s. There are a few real downsides to the DS.

Smelly poops/bad gas and becoming vitamin deficient.

From what I remember, the poops usually go away within

a period of time for the majority of people. The

smell may not - LOL. And, if you can get used to a

lifetime of taking vitamins, etc., you shouldn't have

the deficiency. But, I'm not a doctor so please do

your research.

--- fe_lyne@... wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> I've been lurking for a few weeks, ever since I

> found out about this

> group.

>

> Anyway...I have an appt today with a surgeon who

> does both lap RNY

> and BPD/DS. So I'm trying to decide which surgery

> would be best for

> me. I'm leaning towards the RNY because I have an

> incredible sweet

> tooth...dumping would be a good incentive to

> permanently modify my

> diet and behave myself (essential for maintaining

> weightloss long

> term).

>

> I'm trying to avoid writing a novel here but what

> are your thoughts

> on this? Pros and cons of both surgeries? I know

> some people have

> very strong feelings one way or another, but I'm not

> looking for an

> indictment of either method; I'm just trying to

> decide what's right

> for me.

>

> Thanks much!

> Lorree

>

>

>

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Loree.....

welcome! we are delighted to have you here with us.......

My surgeon says this to help you decide what kind of surgery to

have.........

Can you deal with the problems above or below the waist?

With the RNY you have to deal with a pouch that holds only 1-2 ounces,

closed stomas that need an endoscopy to reopen it, sometimes several times

before it stays open, vomitting, dumping syndrome to list a few......

but with the DS, you deal with the smelly poops that decrease as you get

further out (sometimes) but can be taken care of with Flagyl and

acidophylis......the DS gives you a much better weight loss , maintainance

and quality of life than the RNY ever could. I would never want to " punish "

myself for wanting something sweet to eat.....normal weight people eat

candy, so why cant I enjoy it occasionally too? Im almost a year out now

and only 15 lbs to goal and I eat all the foods that I so much enjoy.

Make sure you really do your research before you allow your stomach to be

butchered becuz once you do that there is NO going back!

Good luck!

Judie

[Guest guest]

Prior to surgery I couldn't get enough sweets. Chocolate was my biggest

problem and chocolate ice cream with chunks of fudge was something I couldn't

get enough of. I would routinely have a pint of Ben & Jerry's as an

appitizer before dinner. Then I would have another in the evening after

dinner.

Since surgery, sugary foods don't taste the same. I still like them, but

they are very strong tasting. I find that after one or two bites of

something sweet, I have had enough. I haven't even wanted ice cream since

surgery and actually walked by the Ben & Jerry's at the grocery store

yesterday without even looking.

I seriously considered the RNY before I knew about DS. I was willing to

suffer for the thought of having significant weight loss. Now I am so glad I

realized there are choices to what kinds of problems you deal with. The

thought of chewing food to a pulp and eating 1-2 oz wasn't too appealing. I

also would much rather deal with stinky poop than vomiting. I too felt the

dumping would help my sweet tooth, but now that I know I can have sweets

without problems, the temptation isn't there. I am completely satisfied with

very small amounts of sweets and I am not punishing myself for liking that

stuff.

I would suggest you make a list of pros and cons of each surgery and then

figure out what works best for you. You will definately find that most

everyone on this list will say DS all the way, but you need to decided what

is best for you. There are many people who are very happy with RNY and there

are people who are not happy with DS (although I don't know any personally).

Kathy M.

DS 7/19/01

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Dear Lorree,

I had an incredible sweet tooth before my surgery and it's still

there. The only difference is that I eat less sweets now. I did not

want to be punished if I ate something sweet. I also did not want to

be punished if I indulged in some BBQ sauce that had some sugar in it

or other non-dessert food items that contained sugar. Also, not all

RNYers dump. Then what? a 1-2 oz. pouch with an open drain is

perfect for eating ice cream and other liquidy sweets. The eating

quality after a DS is normal. Very few RNYers can say that. Also,

DSers DO maintain their weight loss long term, all without the

punishment factor worked in. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Jane J.

230/157

Lap BPD/DS

4/26/01

<I'm leaning towards the RNY because I have an incredible sweet

> tooth...dumping would be a good incentive to permanently modify my

> diet and behave myself (essential for maintaining weightloss long

> term). Lorree>