Re: Probiotics/kim -- bleeding lungs

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Cipro + Zithromax should work quickly for a; however, both of

these antibiotics deplete magnesium. And you must be careful about the

timing of antibiotics and magnesium. Remember not to take magnesium OR

multivitamins/minerals *before* Cipro. Always take magnesium and

multivitamin/minerals *no sooner* than two hours *after* a dose of

Cipro.

The lactobacillus tablets you're giving a sound like what my mom

always took for canker sores. I don't know why that's supposed to

help, but whenever my mom was really stressed, she'd get huge canker

sores inside her mouth and those tablets helped, and I remember her

chewing them up and holding them in her mouth with milk.

If these tablets don't seem to help a, then you can switch to a

different type. Look for probiotics that list the organism count

(parts per million/billion). The higher the number the better. You can

read a little bit about probiotics at http://www.consumerlabs.com but

you won't be able to read their entire listing of products unless you

subscribe to the site. Unfortunately, they don't tell you which

products failed testing, only the products that they randomly selected

that passed testing.

And below is a copy of what I wrote to about bleeding lungs.

Maybe it will help in the future.

Kim

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Hi ,

You said you think your lung bleeds aren't tied to infection. Here are

some overall thoughts...

Do the bleeds coincide with exposure to poor quality air, such as high

ozone alerts (barometric pressure changes), diesel/gas fumes, paint,

paint thinners, chlorine, cleaning supplies, photographic or other

chemicals.

Years ago someone told me that he bleeds whenever his copper levels

become too high. His doctors argued with him about this until he

insisted they test Cu levels. Each time he bleeds, his Cu is high. So

you might watch intake of Cu foods (such as fish, shellfish) to see if

there's any coincidence.

Also, like said, when you begin bleeding, then evaluate intake

of known blood thinners/circulatory supplements and foods such as

vitamin E, DHA, crataegus, ginkgo, ginseng, feverfew, cayenne, ginger,

and

caffeine.

If you're taking magnesium supplements (and you should) remember

that antioxidants A, C, E, etc. often become more normalized when Mg

deficiency is corrected. So if you're taking Mg *and* a high dose of

E, then look to the E as a contributor of increased bleeding.

I've read that high doses of vitamin A and E and cephalsoporin

antibiotics hinder absorption of vitamin K. You said you know to take

vitamin K for lung bleeds, but K is also manufactured naturally in the

intestines. Do you take a probiotic to maintain intestinal floral?

Alfalfa is one good source of K. Tammy takes alfalfa tablets to

successfully treat lung bleeds, and 's son Rafe takes it to

prevent nose bleeds. I began taking alfalfa a couple weeks ago but

I've not seen any great benefit.

I don't have CF and my lungs aren't bleeding, but since mid-August

I've been bruising much more easily than usual. The backs of my legs

have tiny circular bruises, as does the tops of my feet where my

leather open-toe shoes hit. I look like an alien crop circle

experiment. One palm is bruised from clapping my hands, and two days

ago, I knocked myself on the bridge of the nose with a hoola hoop, so

now I'm sporting a dusky shadow there too (45-year old enthusiastic

klutzes have no business teaching PE).

Good sources of vitamin K (mcg per 100 grams) are:

green tea (712), turnip greens (650), mustard greens (591), beet

greens (473), broccoli (200), alfalfa (167), cabbage (125), and

spinach (89). I read an anecdotal account of spinach curing nose

bleeds.

Some other things that may help:

--Vitamin C is very important for maintaining blood vessel integrity

and repairing fragile blood vessels. So if you're not taking vitamin C

supplements *and* eating whole citrus fruits (to get rutin and

hesperidin), you might try increasing both.

I take 2,000 mg. vitamin C daily, but lately I've been really stressed

and I've been outdoors under the hot sun for the past several days, so

I'm losing vitamin C and potassium faster than I can take them in.

Vitamin C and potassium work together for blood vessel health. So you

might also look at your potassium intake. Oranges are a good source of

C and potassium. My son's favorite fruit is banana; when he gets a

bleeder he increases banana consumption because it's a good source of

potassium, and also increases vitamin C supplements. We take vitamin C

with rose hips.

--Tumeric is a good anti-inflammatory but also alleviates bleeding.

According to Heinerman's Encyclopedia of Healing Herbs and Spices,

combining eggplant with tumeric has a synergistic effect. His recipe:

Bring 1 pint water to boil, add 1 cup diced eggplant; simmer on low

for 45-minutes. Strain into another pan and add 1/2 tsp. powdered

tumeric. Cover and steep until liquid is lukewarm. Strain; drink 1

cup. Repeat daily until bleeding stops (supposedly this is healthful

for the liver, too).

--Stinging Nettle (according to Heinerman) stops profuse bleeding.

Good luck.

Kim

--- " Palazola " <annapalazola@y...> wrote:

> At any rate, I did miss the post from and you, I was dealing

> with the infamous SOBIG virus, but I found it. a is doing much

> better, I kept her home all week. We went to see Dr. Hanissian and

> she is doing Cipro, Zithromax, Vitamin K, on top of everything else,

> plus Lema Oil. While at the pharmacy, I spoke to the pharmacist,

> nicest woman, since the probiotics topic has been going around, I

> asked her what she would recommend. She said to buy milk with

> acidophilus and bifium and also gave me some chewables tablets, BD

> Lactinex. BD Lactinex, says on the bottle, is lactobacillus and

> needs to be kept refrigerated, chew a couple of tablets 3 times a

> day with milk.

> a doesn't have any milk intolarance on the contrary she loves

> just plain white milk so I think that's going to work really well.

> She hates yogurt with passion.

> Well, I would like your opinion about the milk and the lactinex. Do

> you think that will keep some of the good flora going in her

> intestines? Doctors, no matter how brilliant they may be, they will

> not tell you this things. I know if I take any antibiotic and I do

> not eat yogurt, invariably, I end up with a yeast infection.

> Well, I wish you a good weekend.

> Thanks,

> mom of a 10 wcf, Venanzio 7 nocf, Pepe 3 nocf

[Guest guest]

Kim,

I did not know that you should not take vitamins with cipro, thank

you.

She is coughin very little now, but her cough is sort of strange. It

sounds very wet but her lungs sound cleared, breathing really well,

actually.

So , I do not know. I am also giving her milk with acydophulus and

Bifium. Her poops have been normal since starting all this

antibiotics.

Thank you Kim as always you are a big help.

> > At any rate, I did miss the post from and you, I was dealing

> > with the infamous SOBIG virus, but I found it. a is doing

much

> > better, I kept her home all week. We went to see Dr. Hanissian

and

> > she is doing Cipro, Zithromax, Vitamin K, on top of everything

else,

> > plus Lema Oil. While at the pharmacy, I spoke to the pharmacist,

> > nicest woman, since the probiotics topic has been going around, I

> > asked her what she would recommend. She said to buy milk with

> > acidophilus and bifium and also gave me some chewables tablets,

BD

> > Lactinex. BD Lactinex, says on the bottle, is lactobacillus and

> > needs to be kept refrigerated, chew a couple of tablets 3 times a

> > day with milk.

> > a doesn't have any milk intolarance on the contrary she loves

> > just plain white milk so I think that's going to work really

well.

> > She hates yogurt with passion.

> > Well, I would like your opinion about the milk and the lactinex.

Do

> > you think that will keep some of the good flora going in her

> > intestines? Doctors, no matter how brilliant they may be, they

will

> > not tell you this things. I know if I take any antibiotic and I

do

> > not eat yogurt, invariably, I end up with a yeast infection.

> > Well, I wish you a good weekend.

> > Thanks,

> > mom of a 10 wcf, Venanzio 7 nocf, Pepe 3 nocf

[Guest guest]

,

As far as I know, taking VITAMINS around the same time as antibiotics

*might* be okay -- but NOT vitamins that also contain minerals. Many

minerals such as calcium, magnesium, zinc, and aluminum can interfere

with the antibiotic.

In the case of Cipro, if you take magnesium OR a multivitamin that

contains magnesium, then you cut the efficacy of Cipro by about 50%.

This is true for most (not all) antibiotics.

So, the safe rule of thumb is to take your magnesium supplements and

multivitamin/minerals tablets two hours AFTER any antibiotics, never

before.

If you must take multivitamin/minerals before antibiotics, here

are the guidelines:

Take magnesium and multivitamins at least 7 hours before Cipro

Take magnesium and multivitamins at least 2-4 hours before Zithromax,

and most other antibiotics.

You can see now why it's easier to just follow the " two hours after

antibiotics " rule for taking all vitamin/mineral supplements and

additional magnesium.

Kim

--- " Palazola " <annapalazola@y...> wrote:

Kim,

I did not know that you should not take vitamins with cipro, thank

you. She is coughin very little now, but her cough is sort of strange.

It sounds very wet but her lungs sound cleared, breathing really well,

actually.

So , I do not know. I am also giving her milk with acydophulus and

Bifium. Her poops have been normal since starting all this

antibiotics. Thank you Kim as always you are a big help.

Hi ,

Cipro + Zithromax should work quickly for a; however, both of

these antibiotics deplete magnesium. And you must be careful about

the timing of antibiotics and magnesium. Remember not to take

magnesium OR multivitamins/minerals *before* Cipro. Always take

magnesium and multivitamin/minerals *no sooner* than two hours *after*

a dose of Cipro.