Re: Adult with Candida

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> Any adults with Candida using the SCD on this forum? I'm new and would

> like to know if SCD has this diet improved your symptoms? ...,but then

> i started craving more squash. I also started

> developing large cracks on my lips and the corner which made me wonder

> if it made the candida worse. I did loose some weight and blaoting

> when removing gluten grains from my diet.

I have noticed that when I eat fruit again, and feed the candida, then

stop eating it, one of my die off effects is a worsening of my mouth

sores at first, and an increase in vaginal itching. It's almost like

the yeast symptoms get worse for a week before they get better. I've

also had to stop using toothpaste with any sweeteners, as I could not

get rid of the mouth sores while using toothpaste. Baking soda or a

natural cinnamon powder toothpaste doesn't cause issues. It may be

that you were experiencing die off by starting the diet, or are eating

something like peanut butter, that though legal, may be making your

candida worse.

>

> Can you help me understand why winter squash is allowed on this diet?

> I understand the different complex of sugars, but cannot find an

> explanation from Elaine in book or webiste about why Winter Squash,

> which is high glycemic and sugars doesn't feed Candida? Most candida

> patients are instructed to not be eat High starches. I'm just as

> confused as to why traditional candida diets allow gluten free grains

> and not starchy veggies like winter squash, carrots, yams, sweet

> potoato. I would think brown rice, millet, quinoa still feed Candida

> being high glycemic as well.

I've noticed the yeast diets vary a lot; some include small amounts of

fruit, other say eliminate it entirely, some include grains.... We

are approaching things from a bacterial point of view as well, and the

theory of damaged intestines, which isn't quite what the yeast diets

are doing. So our elimination of grains is more from the perspective

of not introducing anything that cannot be perfectly digested. I'm

assuming the yeast diets are including these grains because they assume

that people can digest and assimilate them.

Elaine claimed that only honey had to be reduced if yeast was present.

She thought that since the simple sugars were digested higher up, there

should be nothing left for the yeast to feed on. For some people this

works, as many have written in that they had confirmed reduction of

yeast even when eating fruits and honey. For many others, however, we

find that eating honey and fruit feeds the yeast, and they have to be

eliminated. I had an antibiotic last December, and since then, if I

eat honey or fruit, within minutes, my vagina and anus itches (strange

how it can happen so quickly on the bottom end!) and I will get a big

increase of mucus when I go to the bathroom. So Elaine's theory does

not hold true for me.

I also find if I eat the high sugary vegetables like butternut squash,

I will have looser stools. I can eat them a couple of times a week,

though, and stay without symptoms so you may have to find your own

tolerance. Another adult on the other scd list found she had to

eliminate honey and fruit for the first year (I think) and then she

could start eating applesauce twice a week, and keeps butternut squash

and other higher sugar vegetables to once a week or once a month. I'm

just avoiding fruit altogether, though I do eat a blackberry or bite of

apple every now and then. Honey I have to avoid completely, and I try

not to eat carrots, beets, or winter squash more than 1-2 times a week.

I find if I only eat low carb vegetables, I feel pretty bad, so I

think for me, since I am very active, need some of the carbohydrates

for energy, even if it may be contributing to the yeast. I also have

started upping my candida fighting strategies (GSE, oil of oregeno,

garlic, probiotics) and will continue doing that until I feel better.

So you will have to find your own balance among the SCD allowed foods,

all the while trying to maintain balance in your diet.

It is very, very hard to be on this diet and not be eating fruit, but

some of us have to. I use sacchirin melted in 1 tlbs. of hot water,

with enough cinnamon added to make it gelatenous for my morning " syrup "

on my waffle. I make my yogurt out of 1/2 and 1/2 and sometimes

sweeten it with 2 drops of stevia (illegal on this diet, but I've been

on SCD for 3 years, and have no adverse reactions to 2 drops); other

than that, I eat no other sweets. The cravings die off after the first

couple of weeks, but the emotional feeling of deprivation is a constant

battle, especially since I tolerated everything on this diet before the

antibiotic, and was used to eating lots of fruit, wine, etc. I cry a

lot, especially as the antibiotic was unnecessary, and a result of an

overly medicalized miscarriage, but I have to do what I have to do to

be healthy before I can even try to conceive again, so I always wash

off my tears and make a new menu plan, and usually come up with

something new that's delicious. I also have to avoid peanuts, and am

trying to not eat pistachios, as these supposedly also feed yeast. So

it's possible, though difficult, and each of us are so individual as to

what we tolerate. You will have to experiment yourself to find the

right balance.

Debora

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Hi loveveggiesoup,

> Any adults with Candida using the SCD on this forum? I'm new and

would

> like to know if SCD has this diet improved your symptoms?

I developed candida after a run of antibiotics. The SCD and some

natural antifungals teamed with yeast enzymes have significantly

improved my symptoms.

I tested

> strongly positive with blood work for candida from a very reliable

lab

> www.immunolabs.com I also have multiple food allergies. I know some

> people don't believe in food allergies, but i also react strongly

when

> eating these foods like dairy (milk, yogurt, cheese...my sinuses

will

> get inflamed and bloating will occur)eggs, peanuts, nuts,

yeast,gluten

> grains and more. So, i cannot benefit from yoghurt or eggs. I tried

> this SCD diet w/ meat & veggies for about 1 month and did ok in the

> beginning,but then i started craving more squash. I also started

> developing large cracks on my lips and the corner which made me

wonder

> if it made the candida worse. I did loose some weight and blaoting

> when removing gluten grains from my diet.

> Can you help me understand why winter squash is allowed on this

diet?

It has the proper carbohydrate balance, unlike the illegal grains

which do not. The squash is easily digested by the body, not by the

yeasties.

> I understand the different complex of sugars, but cannot find an

> explanation from Elaine in book or webiste about why Winter Squash,

> which is high glycemic and sugars doesn't feed Candida?

Elaine didn't put much faith in the glycemic index work.

Some of her posts on the subject:

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=240732#240732

Please check out " Yeast and SCD " at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/files/

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

mom of and daniel

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> Elaine didn't put much faith in the glycemic index work.

> Some of her posts on the subject:

> http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=240732#240732

>

Unfortunatel unless you have log in priveleges for the old Lyris list it can't

be accessed.

Elaine contacted a couple years ago who did early work on the Glycemic Index

here in

Canada and explained to us she pointed out why it is not useful for SCD.

Foods rated for insulin spikes were not assessed on the basis of starch content

as related

to digestability for a damaged gut. It was not done even after she pointed this

out.

Carol F.