SERIOUS LONG-TERM PROBLEMS FROM THE MGB BILLROTH II

September 26, 2000

ok linda now give them the complication rates of the other surgeries. The

verticle band gastroplasty has a very high rate of failure and weight

regained, you can only be expected to loose 30% of your weight. That doesnt

help with a person who is over 100-150 lbs overweight. I went to a great doc

for that surgery i would only have lost about 90. He himself told me that I

needed to look into something more dramatic to acheive the weight i wanted to

loose.

hugs marg

September 26, 2000

You may feel " fine " after surgery and most do, but you don't know what's

up the road because you haven't been told the facts. The MGB is the

" Billroth II " procedure that has a very long, very well documented

sordid history of causing serious problems, including cancer.

See http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

It has risks that are specific only to the Billroth II, not to any other

weight loss surgery, because of the way the intestine is connected to

the stomach. It causes pancreatic juices and bile to get into the

stomach where it doesn't belong, setting up a chain reaction of events

that leads to serious damage. It may be YEARS before the patient knows

he has a problem but by then, serious damage is done (and Rutledge will

be long gone!)

You are NOT being told the facts. This procedure was invented in the

1880's. It was used in the 1940's to 1970's in as a weight loss

surgery, but it was abandoned over 25 years ago for weight loss surgery

because study after study showed that after several years, patients

developed gastritis, ulcers, esophagitis and cancer.

Rutledge will tell you it's " done all over the U.S., " " taught in medical

schools, " and " used for cancer surgery " as his " proof " that it is

" safe, " but the fact is that it is used to treat trauma damage and

reconstruction after cancer surgery, when the surgeon has to try to

restore some sort of digestive system after most of the stomach has been

removed and even then, the recommended procedure is the RNY.

The RNY was specifically invented to create a way to keep the bile and

pancreatic acids out of the stomach after a bypass.

The RNY and Vertical Banded gastroplasty operations are the only

surgeries recognized by the National Institutes of Health to treat

Morbid Obesity.

These procedures are available laparoscopically and have the same

recovery time and scarring as the so-called " MGB " (Billroth II).

Run, don't walk, away from this surgery if you value your life and

health.

When post-ops tell you they " feel fine " remember that not one of them

had their surgery more than 3 years ago. Most of them had their surgery

less than a year ago. NONE of them has had time to develop any of the

serious complications of this procedure.

There are also plenty of people with complications that develop

immediately after surgery but you won't find them on Rutledge's patient

contact lists. Write me. I'm happy to tell you what I know.

I'm 4 mos. post-op.

Would I do it again? No way!

Be sure to see what the top bariatric doctors have to say about Rutledge

and his snake-oil, too:

http://www.mini-gastricbypass.com/OtherDoctors.htm

Cancer studies of the Billroth II:

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/cancer.htm

Other problems of the Billroth II:

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/problems.htm

Gastritis from the Billroth II: http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/1983.htm

--

Kind regards,

http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

lindat @ mindspring.com (no spaces)

---------------------------------------------

ROBERT R. RUTLEDGE, M.D., BUSTED!

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

---------------------------------------------

Join MGB-TRUTH

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September 26, 2000

Oh boy. Here we go again. Listen folks. I was a big advocate of

and her right to her views but several of the others on the egroup

have researched her background and privately sent some of us info

that now makes me doubt every single " fact " she sites. If you are

interested, contact me privately and I will pass on the info. I don't

want to inflame her here any more than she already is. I have a

serious problem with her scare tactics. She certainly has the right

to share information with us but she is purposely being inflamatory

without thought as to how her tactics could emotionally affect

people.

in Atlanta

(....when she " comes after me " I hope you'll step up like a

gentleman!!!)

>

> You may feel " fine " after surgery and most do, but you don't know

what's

> up the road because you haven't been told the facts. The MGB is the

> " Billroth II " procedure that has a very long, very well documented

> sordid history of causing serious problems, including cancer.

>

> See http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

>

> It has risks that are specific only to the Billroth II, not to any

other

> weight loss surgery, because of the way the intestine is connected

to

> the stomach. It causes pancreatic juices and bile to get into the

> stomach where it doesn't belong, setting up a chain reaction of

events

> that leads to serious damage. It may be YEARS before the patient

knows

> he has a problem but by then, serious damage is done (and Rutledge

will

> be long gone!)

>

> You are NOT being told the facts. This procedure was invented in

the

> 1880's. It was used in the 1940's to 1970's in as a weight loss

> surgery, but it was abandoned over 25 years ago for weight loss

surgery

> because study after study showed that after several years, patients

> developed gastritis, ulcers, esophagitis and cancer.

>

> Rutledge will tell you it's " done all over the U.S., " " taught in

medical

> schools, " and " used for cancer surgery " as his " proof " that it is

> " safe, " but the fact is that it is used to treat trauma damage and

> reconstruction after cancer surgery, when the surgeon has to try to

> restore some sort of digestive system after most of the stomach has

been

> removed and even then, the recommended procedure is the RNY.

>

> The RNY was specifically invented to create a way to keep the bile

and

> pancreatic acids out of the stomach after a bypass.

>

> The RNY and Vertical Banded gastroplasty operations are the only

> surgeries recognized by the National Institutes of Health to treat

> Morbid Obesity.

>

> These procedures are available laparoscopically and have the same

> recovery time and scarring as the so-called " MGB " (Billroth II).

>

> Run, don't walk, away from this surgery if you value your life and

> health.

>

> When post-ops tell you they " feel fine " remember that not one of

them

> had their surgery more than 3 years ago. Most of them had their

surgery

> less than a year ago. NONE of them has had time to develop any of

the

> serious complications of this procedure.

>

> There are also plenty of people with complications that develop

> immediately after surgery but you won't find them on Rutledge's

patient

> contact lists. Write me. I'm happy to tell you what I know.

> I'm 4 mos. post-op.

>

> Would I do it again? No way!

>

> Be sure to see what the top bariatric doctors have to say about

Rutledge

> and his snake-oil, too:

>

> http://www.mini-gastricbypass.com/OtherDoctors.htm

>

> Cancer studies of the Billroth II:

> http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/cancer.htm

> Other problems of the Billroth II:

> http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/problems.htm

> Gastritis from the Billroth II:

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/1983.htm

>

> --

> Kind regards,

>

> http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

> lindat @ mindspring.com (no spaces)

> ---------------------------------------------

> ROBERT R. RUTLEDGE, M.D., BUSTED!

> http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

> ---------------------------------------------

> Join MGB-TRUTH

> http://www.egroups.com/group/MGB-TRUTH

> ----------------------------------------------

September 26, 2000

This isn't about me, , it's about you. You don't have to

believe me, either.

Read what the top bariatric surgeons in the country, all of whom

know EXACTLY what procedure Rutledge is doing, all of whom

can do the procedure Rutledge does and REFUSE to do it because

it is too dangerous for the patient, and ALL of whom saw

Rutledge's presentation about his procedure in June and

concluded he is a liar doing a dangerous procedure on people

that was abandoned 25 years ago as a weight loss surgery:

http://www.mini-gastricbypass.com

AND YOU CAN DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF THAT I ALREADY DID AND

FIND OUT SOME FACTS FOR YOURSELF. WHOA! what a concept.

Look up BILLROTH in any search engine and any medical

online service. It is the procedure Rutledge does.

I didn't write the studies. Hundreds of studies that show

the Billroth II has long term effects that don't show up

for years, but which are VERY serious, including cancer.

THEN WHAT WILL YOUR EXCUSE BE, BESIDES TERMINAL

STUPIDITY?? YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME FACTS I DO ONLY YOU FOUND

THEM YOURSELF. You won't be able to say " look at this, 's

blah, blah, blah, whatever today's story is. "

You'll be confronted with the MEDICAL FACTS about this

procedure that show it is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and has

WELL-DOCUMENTED long-term complications, including cancer.

I do notice this list has gotten pretty bare bones over

the past week, with a lot of the shiny-happy chatty-cathy

types posting, so maybe there aren't a lot of people

left who can understand the information, but I am giving

it a shot anyway.

If you'd like to see the medical research I already found, go

to:

SEE: http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

SEE: http://www.fourlane.com/cancer.htm

SEE: http://www.fourlane.com/problems.htm

SEE: http://www.fourlane.com/1983.htm

EVERY reputable doctor REFUSES to do the Billroth II for

weight loss because of the SPECIFIC problems that ONLY

the Billroth II causes.

I could be a drunken, raging two-headed tree sloth leading

the next assault on Dunkirk and that does NOT change the facts.

You won't find this information on Rutledge's site, either.

It's not like there are not other procedures, either. WHY

would you take such risks that are specific ONLY to this

procedure, that are IN ADDITION to the " normal " risks for

ulcers, etc. of all the other procedures.

This is compelling medical information.

The RNY and VBG are the only two procedures recognized by

the National Institutes of Health for Treating Obesity.

But, if you want to mutilated, that is, of course, your choice.

May God help you and best wishes in your decision.

--

Kind regards,

http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

lindat @ mindspring.com (no spaces)

---------------------------------------------

ROBERT R. RUTLEDGE, M.D., BUSTED!

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

---------------------------------------------

Join MGB-TRUTH

http://www.egroups.com/group/MGB-TRUTH

----------------------------------------------

> >

> > You may feel " fine " after surgery and most do, but you don't know

> what's

> > up the road because you haven't been told the facts. The MGB is

the

> > " Billroth II " procedure that has a very long, very well documented

> > sordid history of causing serious problems, including cancer.

> >

> > See http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

> >

> > It has risks that are specific only to the Billroth II, not to

any

> other

> > weight loss surgery, because of the way the intestine is

connected

> to

> > the stomach. It causes pancreatic juices and bile to get into the

> > stomach where it doesn't belong, setting up a chain reaction of

> events

> > that leads to serious damage. It may be YEARS before the patient

> knows

> > he has a problem but by then, serious damage is done (and

Rutledge

> will

> > be long gone!)

> >

> > You are NOT being told the facts. This procedure was invented in

> the

> > 1880's. It was used in the 1940's to 1970's in as a weight loss

> > surgery, but it was abandoned over 25 years ago for weight loss

> surgery

> > because study after study showed that after several years,

patients

> > developed gastritis, ulcers, esophagitis and cancer.

> >

> > Rutledge will tell you it's " done all over the U.S., " " taught in

> medical

> > schools, " and " used for cancer surgery " as his " proof " that it is

> > " safe, " but the fact is that it is used to treat trauma damage and

> > reconstruction after cancer surgery, when the surgeon has to try

to

> > restore some sort of digestive system after most of the stomach

has

> been

> > removed and even then, the recommended procedure is the RNY.

> >

> > The RNY was specifically invented to create a way to keep the

bile

> and

> > pancreatic acids out of the stomach after a bypass.

> >

> > The RNY and Vertical Banded gastroplasty operations are the only

> > surgeries recognized by the National Institutes of Health to treat

> > Morbid Obesity.

> >

> > These procedures are available laparoscopically and have the same

> > recovery time and scarring as the so-called " MGB " (Billroth II).

> >

> > Run, don't walk, away from this surgery if you value your life and

> > health.

> >

> > When post-ops tell you they " feel fine " remember that not one of

> them

> > had their surgery more than 3 years ago. Most of them had their

> surgery

> > less than a year ago. NONE of them has had time to develop any

of

> the

> > serious complications of this procedure.

> >

> > There are also plenty of people with complications that develop

> > immediately after surgery but you won't find them on Rutledge's

> patient

> > contact lists. Write me. I'm happy to tell you what I know.

> > I'm 4 mos. post-op.

> >

> > Would I do it again? No way!

> >

> > Be sure to see what the top bariatric doctors have to say about

> Rutledge

> > and his snake-oil, too:

> >

> > http://www.mini-gastricbypass.com/OtherDoctors.htm

> >

> > Cancer studies of the Billroth II:

> > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/cancer.htm

> > Other problems of the Billroth II:

> > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/problems.htm

> > Gastritis from the Billroth II:

> http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/1983.htm

> >

> > --

> > Kind regards,

> >

> > http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

> > lindat @ mindspring.com (no spaces)

> > ---------------------------------------------

> > ROBERT R. RUTLEDGE, M.D., BUSTED!

> > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

> > ---------------------------------------------

> > Join MGB-TRUTH

> > http://www.egroups.com/group/MGB-TRUTH

> > ----------------------------------------------

September 26, 2000

,

Thanks for your concern and all your information. It did help me

seriously question and validate what I want to do....which is have

Dr. R's surgery. Since its clear you are incredible at research, I

guess some of us are just wondering why you didn't have these facts

BEFORE you decided to use Dr. R for your surgery. In any event, facts

can be used to take any position. I have a friend who had the open

Rouen-Y and one who had the laproscopic Rouen-Y and they both had

complications. There are no guarantees no matter which proceedure we

choose to use. I figure I'm going to die from co-morbities if I don't

do something and I, for one, feel comfortable with the research I've

done on Dr. R. I have shown his proceedure to several surgeons and

not one of them took the position yours have stated. Two of them

actually told me that they are not surprised that other bariatric

surgeons would be giving him a hard time. The bottom line is that

each one of us has to decide the risks for ourselves....just like you

did. Please don't be angry at us for making our own decision just

because it may differ from your opinion.

-

-- In MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com, lindat@m... wrote:

>

> This isn't about me, , it's about you. You don't have to

> believe me, either.

>

> Read what the top bariatric surgeons in the country, all of whom

> know EXACTLY what procedure Rutledge is doing, all of whom

> can do the procedure Rutledge does and REFUSE to do it because

> it is too dangerous for the patient, and ALL of whom saw

> Rutledge's presentation about his procedure in June and

> concluded he is a liar doing a dangerous procedure on people

> that was abandoned 25 years ago as a weight loss surgery:

>

> http://www.mini-gastricbypass.com

>

> AND YOU CAN DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF THAT I ALREADY DID AND

> FIND OUT SOME FACTS FOR YOURSELF. WHOA! what a concept.

>

> Look up BILLROTH in any search engine and any medical

> online service. It is the procedure Rutledge does.

>

> I didn't write the studies. Hundreds of studies that show

> the Billroth II has long term effects that don't show up

> for years, but which are VERY serious, including cancer.

>

> THEN WHAT WILL YOUR EXCUSE BE, BESIDES TERMINAL

> STUPIDITY?? YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME FACTS I DO ONLY YOU FOUND

> THEM YOURSELF. You won't be able to say " look at this, 's

> blah, blah, blah, whatever today's story is. "

>

> You'll be confronted with the MEDICAL FACTS about this

> procedure that show it is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and has

> WELL-DOCUMENTED long-term complications, including cancer.

>

> I do notice this list has gotten pretty bare bones over

> the past week, with a lot of the shiny-happy chatty-cathy

> types posting, so maybe there aren't a lot of people

> left who can understand the information, but I am giving

> it a shot anyway.

>

> If you'd like to see the medical research I already found, go

> to:

>

> SEE: http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

> SEE: http://www.fourlane.com/cancer.htm

> SEE: http://www.fourlane.com/problems.htm

> SEE: http://www.fourlane.com/1983.htm

>

> EVERY reputable doctor REFUSES to do the Billroth II for

> weight loss because of the SPECIFIC problems that ONLY

> the Billroth II causes.

>

> I could be a drunken, raging two-headed tree sloth leading

> the next assault on Dunkirk and that does NOT change the facts.

>

> You won't find this information on Rutledge's site, either.

>

> It's not like there are not other procedures, either. WHY

> would you take such risks that are specific ONLY to this

> procedure, that are IN ADDITION to the " normal " risks for

> ulcers, etc. of all the other procedures.

>

> This is compelling medical information.

>

> The RNY and VBG are the only two procedures recognized by

> the National Institutes of Health for Treating Obesity.

>

> But, if you want to mutilated, that is, of course, your choice.

>

> May God help you and best wishes in your decision.

>

> --

> Kind regards,

>

> http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

> lindat @ mindspring.com (no spaces)

> ---------------------------------------------

> ROBERT R. RUTLEDGE, M.D., BUSTED!

> http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

> ---------------------------------------------

> Join MGB-TRUTH

> http://www.egroups.com/group/MGB-TRUTH

> ----------------------------------------------

>

> > >

> > > You may feel " fine " after surgery and most do, but you don't

know

> > what's

> > > up the road because you haven't been told the facts. The MGB

is

> the

> > > " Billroth II " procedure that has a very long, very well

documented

> > > sordid history of causing serious problems, including cancer.

> > >

> > > See http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

> > >

> > > It has risks that are specific only to the Billroth II, not to

> any

> > other

> > > weight loss surgery, because of the way the intestine is

> connected

> > to

> > > the stomach. It causes pancreatic juices and bile to get into

the

> > > stomach where it doesn't belong, setting up a chain reaction of

> > events

> > > that leads to serious damage. It may be YEARS before the

patient

> > knows

> > > he has a problem but by then, serious damage is done (and

> Rutledge

> > will

> > > be long gone!)

> > >

> > > You are NOT being told the facts. This procedure was invented

in

> > the

> > > 1880's. It was used in the 1940's to 1970's in as a weight loss

> > > surgery, but it was abandoned over 25 years ago for weight loss

> > surgery

> > > because study after study showed that after several years,

> patients

> > > developed gastritis, ulcers, esophagitis and cancer.

> > >

> > > Rutledge will tell you it's " done all over the U.S., " " taught

in

> > medical

> > > schools, " and " used for cancer surgery " as his " proof " that it

is

> > > " safe, " but the fact is that it is used to treat trauma damage

and

> > > reconstruction after cancer surgery, when the surgeon has to

try

> to

> > > restore some sort of digestive system after most of the stomach

> has

> > been

> > > removed and even then, the recommended procedure is the RNY.

> > >

> > > The RNY was specifically invented to create a way to keep the

> bile

> > and

> > > pancreatic acids out of the stomach after a bypass.

> > >

> > > The RNY and Vertical Banded gastroplasty operations are the only

> > > surgeries recognized by the National Institutes of Health to

treat

> > > Morbid Obesity.

> > >

> > > These procedures are available laparoscopically and have the

same

> > > recovery time and scarring as the so-called " MGB " (Billroth II).

> > >

> > > Run, don't walk, away from this surgery if you value your life

and

> > > health.

> > >

> > > When post-ops tell you they " feel fine " remember that not one

of

> > them

> > > had their surgery more than 3 years ago. Most of them had

their

> > surgery

> > > less than a year ago. NONE of them has had time to develop any

> of

> > the

> > > serious complications of this procedure.

> > >

> > > There are also plenty of people with complications that develop

> > > immediately after surgery but you won't find them on Rutledge's

> > patient

> > > contact lists. Write me. I'm happy to tell you what I know.

> > > I'm 4 mos. post-op.

> > >

> > > Would I do it again? No way!

> > >

> > > Be sure to see what the top bariatric doctors have to say about

> > Rutledge

> > > and his snake-oil, too:

> > >

> > > http://www.mini-

gastricbypass.com/OtherDoctors.htm

> > >

> > > Cancer studies of the Billroth II:

> > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/cancer.htm

> > > Other problems of the Billroth II:

> > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/problems.htm

> > > Gastritis from the Billroth II:

> > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/1983.htm

> > >

> > > --

> > > Kind regards,

> > >

> > > http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

> > > lindat @ mindspring.com (no spaces)

> > > ---------------------------------------------

> > > ROBERT R. RUTLEDGE, M.D., BUSTED!

> > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

> > > ---------------------------------------------

> > > Join MGB-TRUTH

> > > http://www.egroups.com/group/MGB-TRUTH

> > > ----------------------------------------------

September 26, 2000