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Andi, hi,

My son LJ has been GFCF for almost 18 months now and doing fantastic. He

also has many, many food allergies and this diet is still going good. As

a milk replacement we use Dari-free which is a potato based beverage, as

LJ also can't have rice or soy. So I make all his waffles. pancakes,

cookies, cakes, etc. His rice allergy is only a class 1 so I do use

products that have rice flour occasionally, but we avoid eating the rice

or drinking the rice beverage.

Miss Robens is a online place to order and also has a fantastic, easy to

understand catalog that list each and every product, their ingredients

and what it is free of. Call 1- and get yourself a catalog

or go online at www.missroben.com , but I prefer the catalog sales. She

has cake and cookie mixes, premade cookies and crackers, condiments,

Dari-free, vitamins, pastas, etc.

Alot of recipes are posted on this list and if a recipe calls for rice

flour you just substitute in some sorghum flour and tapioca mix.

Remember you can make basic meat and potato meals till you get this diet

thing down pat.

in New York (LJs mom)

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:17:06 -0000 adrinkwi@... writes:

My son tested sensitive to 24 items. Between the wheat,

> tomato, soy, rice, oats, cow's milk products, it doesn't leave much

> else. Any ideas for food? >

.. All I seem to give him now are corn

> products. Thanks. Andi

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[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group Kristie,

> Hi there. My name is Kristie and my son Aidan is 3.3 years old

with

> autism/apraxia/dyspraxia/expressive receptive speech disorder. He

> has a major issue with yeast we are getting further testing on

right

> now. My hunch is rice is causing issues with yeast in the form of

> possibly clostridia.

Do you mean yeast and Clostridia (a spore forming bacteria)?

> So we have been discussing (my husband and I) going from GFCF to

the

> SCD diet (also GFCF). Here is the problem: my son has

sensitivities

> to eggs, almonds, casein, cow milk, gluten etc. The almonds and

eggs

> are very concerning because there seems to be a lot of nut flours

on

> this diet as well as using eggs. Is there somewhere I can go for

> recipes with these limitations?

There are egg free recipes at http://pecanbread.com/recipes.html

Also, other nuts can be used instead of the blanched almond. Pecans

are often the easiest to tolerate for those beginning the diet.

> I am not the best " baker " and this worries me about doing this.

Have

> suggestions for short cuts?

>

> Lastly and probably important...my son LOVES to drink...mostly his

> rice milk (ughh.) Do you know a great recipe for drinks for him?

We

> utlize his drinks for supplements as well.

The list of legal commercial juices :

Here's a list of legal commercial juices:

-Tropicana Pure premium OJ

-Dole pineapple juice

-Heinz and 's Tomato juice

-The Knudsen's *Just Juice* line (not the rest of their products):

Just Black Cherry

Just Blueberry

Just Cranberry

Just Pomegranate

Organic Just Concord Grape

Organic Just Tart Cherry

-Kedeem grape juice

-Welch's 100% Grape juice (Red, Purple and white)

Also, some use homemade nut milks to replace rice milk (coconut milk

etc...). Recipes to make nutmilks are also at

http://pecanbread.com/recipes.html If you decide to try yogurt

(goat, cow, sheep...) the yogurt can be made into a yogurt smoothie

for drinking. The structure of casein changes and is easier to

digest when milk is made into yogurt. It go from a 3 dimensional

structure to a 2 dimensional structure.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi Lana,

I'm not sure if we can help you. We do not recommend the LOD here. Our list is

strictly for helping people do SCD.... and we're especially oriented to children

on the diet.

<<What do you eat for " sick food " ?

I can't have toast with butter, and with rice being so starchy... I'm kind

of at a loss. >>

Um..... rice is not a food we can eat on SCD at all. Have you read the book,

Breaking the Vicious Cycle?

<<Are there any combined SCD/LOD food lists? I have found very few, and they

arn't very detailed. (I don't mind if the lists contain gluten and casein

containing items, as I am now used to GFCF.)>>

Any list of SCD legal foods would not contain any gluten at all.... since SCD is

a completely gluten free (grain free) diet. Avoiding casein while on SCD is a

personal choice, but dairy is allowed in the form of SCD yogurt and/or legal

cheeses. No one has to eat dairy if they are sensitive to it.

We don't focus on " yeast free " diet restrictions here... but some people do

limit honey and fruits in the beginning of SCD.

Patti

[Guest guest]

New with Questions

Hello all!

My name is Lana and I am an avid listgoer. (Hi to all those who share

my

other lists!) I am GFCF, have been for at least 6 months now. I was YF

the

entire time until recently, when I started being more concerned with my

weight than yeast. Biiiiiiiigggg mistake. While I gained about 8 lbs in

practically no time, I've already lost half of it due to a bout of

what I

figure must be yeast. I feel disoriented, overstuffed (even though I

haven't eaten today), gassy and just plain blah. I remember this

feeling

from before I went YF. I've been considering going SCD for a while, but

nothing really convinced me to do it until now. I haven't felt this

bad in

months!

To top it off, being GFCF resulted in me eating a lot of high oxalate

grains, so I am now going LOD at the same time.

My questions:

What do you eat for " sick food " ?

I can't have toast with butter, and with rice being so starchy... I'm

kind

of at a loss. The only thing I can get myself to eat is sauerkraut.

Ideas?

Are there any combined SCD/LOD food lists? I have found very few, and

they

arn't very detailed. (I don't mind if the lists contain gluten and

casein

containing items, as I am now used to GFCF.)

Is there anything I can do to alleviate the symptoms I am experiencing?

I'm definately going to be changing my diet, but I would like to

function

until I have done that successfully...

Thanks!

-Lana

Dear Lana,

You have posed some interesting questions which I will try my best to

answer but I also have some for you :-)

I will say we do not combine SCD with other diets. It would defeat it

efficacy. SCD on its own has proved very successful for addressing

gastric issues and ASD. I would like to suggest you read the two

websites cited in the message which welcomed you to the list.

1.Do you have a diagnosis?

2. Have you read Breaking the Vicious Cycle which explains SCD?

3. GFCF differs from SCD. We don't use rice or grain as both can foster

the growth of harmful intestinal pathogens.

3. SCD allows clearly identified dairy products which are made and aged

so the lactose is consumed and the casein denatured.

4. Original attempts to combine LOD and SCD led us to extensive

research revealing why combining them is ill advised in most all cases.

(There will shortly be a link posted to our website including the

findings and recommendations.

5. If you subscribe to many other lists you may confuse symptoms,

issues and suggested procedures.

6. Were you upset from gaining weight and is that an issue? SCD is nit

a weight loss diet.

Carol F.

Celiac, MCS, Latex Allergy, EMS

SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

Hi My name is Marissa and we are new to all of this we started last week

after this life plan was introduced to us by my sons neurodevelopmentalist .

Jordan is 10 and has Down Syndrome we have not had him tested yet but from

experience they believe he has a yeast overgrowth and many of these kids

have absorbortion issues I have been having IBS with several others symptoms

for some time now We had been following what we believed to be a good diet

but it was filled with grains and since stopping all of that last week I

have to say that I have had not one symptom and feel great . I have learned

a lot so far but I am overwhelmed and I really want to get this right we

have gone through all the cabinets and cleaned out all that we can't have

against the decision of my 2 other children and my slightly hesitant

husband. This is a really exciting thing for me I am struggling with snacks

to give Jordan He is really being great about this and is such a good sport

We both crave the cruncy foods like pretzels . we both enjoy yogurt and I

want to make it myself but am not sure what unit to buy. I like the

individual containers and auto shut off of some models before I purchase one

I wanted to know what was the best one to get from others peoples experience

Any info will be helpful and appreciated Thanks for being there Marissa

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Marissa....

Just a quick response about the yogurt makers. If there are two of you on the

diet, I think you'll eventually find yourself easily going through 2 quarts of

yogurt per week.... so I honestly think you'd want one with a larger single

batch container. I love my Yogourmet, with extra batch container so I can start

another batch before the last one is completely gone. As far as auto

shut-off.... I don't think you will want one with that feature. We need to

ferment SCD yogurt for a full 24 hrs, and most yogurt makers will auto shut-off

at probably 6 or 8 hrs.

Patti, list moderator

Re: new with questions

Hi My name is Marissa and we are new to all of this we started last week

after this life plan was introduced to us by my sons neurodevelopmentalist .

Jordan is 10 and has Down Syndrome we have not had him tested yet but from

experience they believe he has a yeast overgrowth and many of these kids

have absorbortion issues I have been having IBS with several others symptoms

for some time now We had been following what we believed to be a good diet

but it was filled with grains and since stopping all of that last week I

have to say that I have had not one symptom and feel great . I have learned

a lot so far but I am overwhelmed and I really want to get this right we

have gone through all the cabinets and cleaned out all that we can't have

against the decision of my 2 other children and my slightly hesitant

husband. This is a really exciting thing for me I am struggling with snacks

to give Jordan He is really being great about this and is such a good sport

We both crave the cruncy foods like pretzels . we both enjoy yogurt and I

want to make it myself but am not sure what unit to buy. I like the

individual containers and auto shut off of some models before I purchase one

I wanted to know what was the best one to get from others peoples experience

Any info will be helpful and appreciated Thanks for being there Marissa